Khan's KO of Juday - low or legit (poll)

The ref should have at a minimum, checked to see if he was ok, he chose not to. Why he neglected to check the health of a downed fighter is a mystery I guess, one which each viewer of the incident is left to ponder and decide for themselves. Perhaps you are the one with the clouded judgement seeing as how you have another British fighter in your avatar but I digress. I appreciate your willingness to educate me on the subtle nuances of the boxing sport. The next time I feel I'm in need of some professional boxing etiquette I'll hit you up. :boxing: A body punch takes him down, the ref has seen* it as a body punch. The ref has one obligation in this situation - to count. ONLY if the ref understands there to be an alternative cause - not caused by a punch or an illegal blow - for the fighter going down, ONLY then is the referee supposed to inquire. This is the fight game, it is a pain game. Knockouts by body blows are common. Referees don't pat the hurt fighter on the back and ask, "You alright kid?" They count. If the fighter fails to make the count, he loses. * You may think the referee has done a bad job here because he was, to some degree, on the blind side. That is a different debate. Only the ref himself knows what he saw and how confident he was, and he showed no signs that he thought this was anything other than a valid shot. Also notice how Judah does not dispute the shot until after the count.

The main impact of the punch lands legit on the belt line. What people didnt see is before it landed, there was a slight contact below the belt line on the way up - this can be seen on the first replay video of hbo that even stewart thought it was a low blow. Main impact was on the belt line but maybe something got caught on the way... Give the man the benefit of the doubt.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you should find out what a standing 8 count is - and I'll help you by telling you what it is not: it is not the ref waiting for the opponent to stand then beginning a mandatory 8 count. Your ignorance on that matter removes any credibility from your Khan conspiracy theories. Perhaps there is a bias clouding your judgement? This is also what I am thinking. It has hurt, but it has also hurt his balls, and he has conflated the two feelings when the main pain was really caused by the impact on the body and the indirect (cup pushed up) knock to the groin was just an additional kick in the teeth. The ref should have at a minimum, checked to see if he was ok, he chose not to. Why he neglected to check the health of a downed fighter is a mystery I guess, one which each viewer of the incident is left to ponder and decide for themselves. Perhaps you are the one with the clouded judgement seeing as how you have another British fighter in your avatar but I digress. I appreciate your willingness to educate me on the subtle nuances of the boxing sport. The next time I feel I'm in need of some professional boxing etiquette I'll hit you up. :boxing:

You have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you should find out what a standing 8 count is - and I'll help you by telling you what it is not: it is not the ref waiting for the opponent to stand then beginning a mandatory 8 count. Your ignorance on that matter removes any credibility from your Khan conspiracy theories. Perhaps there is a bias clouding your judgement? This is also what I am thinking. It has hurt, but it has also hurt his balls, and he has conflated the two feelings when the main pain was really caused by the impact on the body and the indirect (cup pushed up) knock to the groin was just an additional kick in the teeth. There's no need to attack a guy over whether he knows about a "standing 8 count" or not. He gave his opinion that the blow was a trifle low. A trifle or a lot makes no difference if it was low it was illegal and Judah was entitled to his 5 minutes. It was Judah who was confused when he talked about a standing 8 count, so maybe the punch affected him more than we think. The wole point it, that it WAS low. The still picture at point of contact makes that VERY clear.

The KO wasn't legit and neither was the low blow. Zab quit and used the "low" punch ( it was on the belt line) as a way out.

I thought it could have been a little low. The ref should have given him a standing 8 count but they just counted him out. I personally feel that they did that because people want Khan to be a superstar and want him to be viewed as one..........a KO victory helps him get there. You have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you should find out what a standing 8 count is - and I'll help you by telling you what it is not: it is not the ref waiting for the opponent to stand then beginning a mandatory 8 count. Your ignorance on that matter removes any credibility from your Khan conspiracy theories. Perhaps there is a bias clouding your judgement? The punch wasn't anywheres near his balls or dick so I'm going with legal blow. Even if it may have hit the belt-line where it may have brought judahs cup up its still a legal blow. This is also what I am thinking. It has hurt, but it has also hurt his balls, and he has conflated the two feelings when the main pain was really caused by the impact on the body and the indirect (cup pushed up) knock to the groin was just an additional kick in the teeth.

Judah and his corner are taking the line, "the boxing public will decide." So, a poll to see whether the boxing public is buying his, "he hit me in the balls!" response disputing the knock out punch that ended the fight. So, boxingscene, was it low? I thought it could have been a little low. The ref should have given him a standing 8 count but they just counted him out. I personally feel that they did that because people want Khan to be a superstar and want him to be viewed as one..........a KO victory helps him get there. The plan is to have Khan face Mayweather after Ortiz and HBO will stop at nothing to make that happen. Khan is the "new product", the next big thing so to speak. He will get all the fringe benefits of that position as well: questionable decisions, point deductions from the other guy, quick stoppages, no calls for low blows or headbutts, etc. I guess it's just how things go.

it for sure was not a punch to the balls. He had no reason to lay on the floor like he did. Zab gave up. Yes you are correct it was not a punch like that, but it definitely was a low blow. You can see clearly in the still picture at point of contact, that the knuckle part of the glove is below the wide trunks belt line, and hand part ends still below the of of the belt line. The knuckle is the focal point, the rest of the glove is either fingers, if the glove is open, and padding if the fist is still closed. I understood the ref to say that the TOP of the trunks belt was the limit of the legal line, and the punch was well below that. However I don't believe that it was low enough to incapacitate him, but, as Judah says, rightly in my opinon, he was entitled to up to a 5 minute break.

It was legit. Khan stopped him clean. Zab blamed low blows for the Cotto loss. Blamed a cut on a headbutt when it was really a punch that stopped him against Clottey. Blamed Don King when he lost to Baldomir. Blamed Nady for "prematurely" stopping him when Kostya iced him. The guy always has an excuse.

Tbh, i think that it was an inside body punch. Looking at Judah's reaction, didnt anyone think it was a bit delayed? Plus, Judah is a very experienced fighter and even i knew that there was no standing eight count in the fight. Khan was leagues above him and i think they made too much of judah. He was not a patch on the Judah i saw fight mayweather.

It was boarder line low but to close to call! Zab tried to play it off like it was low and get some time for the low-blow! It back fired on him, big time! Zab pretty much just quit! This is how I see it...

it for sure was not a punch to the balls. He had no reason to lay on the floor like he did. Zab gave up.

Judah and his corner are taking the line, "the boxing public will decide." So, a poll to see whether the boxing public is buying his, "he hit me in the balls!" response disputing the knock out punch that ended the fight. So, boxingscene, was it low? Didn't Judah have his trunks too high? It's his fault that you couldn't clearly tell but I think it was a legit body shot. Khan is a really awesome fighter. I look forward to seeing that bad mofo fight again.:headbang:

I'm going with Option #4: It was typical Zab Judah either way, so who gives a sh*t?

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nope, it was perfectly legal

There is already been a poll on this today mate.