Why Floyd is WRONG...

I agree with your post to an extent. But the thing is the likes of Martinez and Bernard Hopkins rise to the top took time, whereas Pacquiao has dominated every single fight since Marquez - which is slightlhy odd. watch Pac's fights BEFORE marquez. Pac has ALWAYS been a dominant fighter, with the exception of his three losses, and a controversial win or two.

I don't agree 100%, but it is possible to become better with age, just not if you were an okay fighter from age 15-24, then go up up in weight and start knocking out very big fighters. What Floyd is saying, is being taken out of context. You can't bring Hopkins and Martinez in this, why? Because they started late So their prime came at a late age. If you start at 15, you're prime should be from age 19-28 years old, then you peak but you're not exactly past it or shot, you just become more beatable. IMO Pacquiao was a very good fighter and his prime was in the lower weights. He showed he was not a GREAT fighter in his prime, just very good, by getting a lucky draw over Marquez and losing to Morales in the span of 04-05 and those were the best fighters he fought in that span, and he lost to them, then Raheem made Pac's loss to Morales look even worse, by beating Morales handily, and Raheem was an average fighter. There's more to it than just, "You don't become a great fighter after 25", I think if you sit down with Floyd in a 1 on 1 conversation, you'll be able to understand where he's coming from better. If you bring up Martinez or Hopkins, all he'll ask is "But at what age did they start boxing?"

i think there is jealousy because of the love for pacman its bcos he's more exciting ali and tyson were exciting floyd isnt 1) Do you consider Ray Leonard an ATG? 2) Do you consider Ray Leonard exciting?

I agree with you to a certain extent guys like Hopkins and Martinez who start late its understandable but to be in the Pro for so long and then improve so much and take your game to an elite level in so little time is not the norm, of course there are exceptions and exceptional fighters who could do it but that almost never happens just on pure natural talents

great post! I actually kinda agree with BOTH SIDES, yes their have been late bloomers in boxing but their have been guys who probably cheated their way to the top as well lets take Margarito for example, just how long has he been using those Wraps? and what would have happened if Nazim Richardson never found them Fans speak from a FANS POINT OF VIEW, so it is easy to say, "WHO CARES" when your not the one getting hit, it is easy to say "WHO CARES IF A FIGHTER IS ON ROIDS when your not the one getting in the ring so no Mayweather is not completely wrong, yes you have LATE BLOOMERS, but you also have your CHEATERS and with all of these Supplements on and off the market now, I don't see anything wrong with trying to be a little more safe how come the commission didn't catch that Plaster on Margarito? was they PAID OFF and was going to turn their heads and let Margarito go fight Mosley with them? lets not pretend like Boxing is NOT CORRUPT because it is

Now , why would a grown man need to insult someone's mother? Someone he never met? What does that say about you? ^^^^ this coming from somebody who doesnt(?) insult people he still didnt meet yet, i call that the highest degree of HYPOCRISY!

Agree 100%. As well, Manny has always turned heads. Go rewatch his first fight in the U.S. vs Legwaba and listen to what the hbo crew have to say in round 2. They know they are watching the emergence of a bright star. And Manny took that fight on 2 weeks notice to boot. Now, with studying tapes, learning more punches, better strenght training, Pacquiao is the face of boxing. Floyd...well...he's simply jealous. (And not to bright either) Well, I wouldn't say that. I think BOXING WISE, Floyd is smarter than just about anyone else. It's suspicion...not jealousy. I think Team May is genuinely suspicious. Justified or not. Manny's refusals have served to exacerbate those suspicions.

Agree 100%. As well, Manny has always turned heads. Go rewatch his first fight in the U.S. vs Legwaba and listen to what the hbo crew have to say in round 2. They know they are watching the emergence of a bright star. And Manny took that fight on 2 weeks notice to boot. Now, with studying tapes, learning more punches, better strenght training, Pacquiao is the face of boxing. Floyd...well...he's simply jealous. (And not to bright either)

How am I insulting his mother when I only said the truth. It is a well known fact and well documented. I was not being negative I was being a realist. Do you not understand the difference? And secondly Floyd has insulted Pacquiao's mother on the infamous UStream vid. You know the one, the most racist vid in UStream history. He said something about Pac's mom making him sushi which is retarded because sushi is a Japanese dish. Unlike my comment which was 100% true, his comment was 100% made to insult and inflict damage and once again was 100% false. Dont be mad that I just owned you. Yeah, what an insult! "Your mom makes you sushi"...:lame: Even if it was an insult about his mom, which I can't possibly see how it is, why would YOU need to stoop to FMJ's low level that all so many Pac fans keep talking about. You are acting like you are Pac's woman or something that u need to protect his honor. I'm sure Pac reply to FMJ if he wanted to, he certainly doesn't need u to do it for him, does he? He is a Congressman :wow::notworthy

I do agree, fighters can get better with age/experience.

How am I insulting his mother when I only said the truth. It is a well known fact and well documented. I was not being negative I was being a realist. Do you not understand the difference? And secondly Floyd has insulted Pacquiao's mother on the infamous UStream vid. You know the one, the most racist vid in UStream history. He said something about Pac's mom making him sushi which is retarded because sushi is a Japanese dish. Unlike my comment which was 100% true, his comment was 100% made to insult and inflict damage and once again was 100% false. Dont be mad that I just owned you. Yeah. you owned me by calling Floyd's mom a crackhead. Congratulations. If it's OK with you, I'm gonna get back to discussing the sport. Because I'm above discussing that Dionisia was a whore for sailors. Yes. That is how she made money. Fact. If you want to dispute that, tell me where she worked. Thanks in advance.

Some pac fans really showing their true colors in this thread. Wow. A chance to inteligently discuss mayweather being wrong and you guys instantly begin ****ting out your mouths. No wonder pac fans are widely considered to be a plague on boxing. Pure hate. Unprovoked and completely unneccesary... Smh.

Manny already had 3 world titles before his 25th birthday. Floyd had 2. And he was fighting on floyds undercards..

Now , why would a grown man need to insult someone's mother? Someone he never met? What does that say about you? How am I insulting his mother when I only said the truth. It is a well known fact and well documented. I was not being negative I was being a realist. Do you not understand the difference? And secondly Floyd has insulted Pacquiao's mother on the infamous UStream vid. You know the one, the most racist vid in UStream history. He said something about Pac's mom making him sushi which is retarded because sushi is a Japanese dish. Unlike my comment which was 100% true, his comment was 100% made to insult and inflict damage and once again was 100% false. Dont be mad that I just owned you.

Floyd is basing it off "well, I knew Oscar, Shane, Vernon, Diaz, zab, etc when they were all in the ams.". It's arrogance more than ignorance. I think Floyd is very educated about the history of the sport. Listen to what he talks about. Look at how he fights. How many guys talk about pull counters? Or check hooks? Or seeing another fighter's scar tissue? It's just that Floyd is very arrogant about HIS beliefs. And it's actually kinda old-school. Yea it is certainly about how he views himself, because he knows that isn't true. Really any fighter in Floyd's position I expect arrogance, hell even from a lesser fighter.

OP, I am disappoint ..... bottom line is No one is, No one was, No one will be more superior to Blacks .... just ask them Your plight is irrelevant!

It is just an ignorant comment because the whole diverse nature of the sports and every guy who gets to the top has a different past. There is no set route to greatness that shit just happens Floyd is basing it off "well, I knew Oscar, Shane, Vernon, Diaz, zab, etc when they were all in the ams.". It's arrogance more than ignorance. I think Floyd is very educated about the history of the sport. Listen to what he talks about. Look at how he fights. How many guys talk about pull counters? Or check hooks? Or seeing another fighter's scar tissue? It's just that Floyd is very arrogant about HIS beliefs. And it's actually kinda old-school.

Floyd doesn't know the history of boxing if he thinks fighters can't become great after 25. But then again he doesn't know alot of things, he was born out of a crackheads womb. Now , why would a grown man need to insult someone's mother? Someone he never met? What does that say about you?

It is just an ignorant comment because the whole diverse nature of the sports and every guy who gets to the top has a different past. There is no set route to greatness that shit just happens. It fits in with his views of himself, so whatever~

Manny already had 3 world titles before his 25th birthday. Floyd had 2.