Sugar ray robinson versus Marvin Hagler

Skills are improving in boxing. That's fact. Only nostalgia wankers try to deny that. Size is improving too. More size+more skill are reality of today. You mean crazy wankers it was a reality in 70s and has been sense then like of course Jake and srr were skilled back then but compared to the years I said as i said they look horrible stiff sloopy missing of advances Like what person who actually can see good says ray beats Leonard duran hag hearns he has no chance against any of these dudes not even the mid carders of that era I take it most here are crazy or blind or both im called a troll for telling the truth

Early 50s vs early 80s Hagler ain't very bright fighter either in terms of skills. He was lacked of feints, baits and head movement. High output, granite chin and stamina made him tough. Ray was struggled against LaMotta who was two levels below Hagler level. Hagler's endless pressure would eat SRR. But hag is way more advanced then 50s so those flaws you said still wouldn't matter it was nobody like hag then Ray struggling in 1 match has nothing to do with it that era just looks bad they were stiff sloopy and throwing lunge punches and at times looking lost none of this would work against anybody in 70s-90s it looks horrible it was mid carders who were more advanced then those dudes

Hagler by KO. Somebody who can see and I say easy cause ray looks trash and sloopy compared to hags time

Only crazy people said ray way to outdated

sorry to say hagler could never withstand the punishment raging bull did... that dude was a beast

This would be a hell of a fight,but if lamotta can beat him Hagler damn sure has a good shot

Sugar Ray via UD.

Robinson wasn't all that slick. He was a solid defensive fighter with some subtle moves, but not exactly a slickster. Hagler would give Robinson problems with his wonderful jab and all-around skills, but Robinson was well, Robinson. Fast, powerful, a vast array of punches from different angles, tough as hell. Both guys are complete fighters. I'll say Robinson takes 2 of 3, with all of the fights being close decisions.

Robinson is too slick for Hagler imo.

At 1st glance,the majority would say Robinson,by default of course.But as I review further,I have to go with Hagler.Hagler made a career at 160 while Robinson was the dominating welterweight of his era.He wasn't that big,5-10 I believe.which was big in those days,but slighly average in Hagler's days. I think Haglers strength,pressure & boxer-puncher abilities would have overwhelmed Sugar & Hagler would come on strong in the 2nd half of the fight to win a clear but competitive ud.Robinson is all time greater,siply because boxing was much more brutal in his day & he fought more,did more with less.I was gonnna continue,but we'll leave that for another time.

I'm going with the Marvelous One. Ray was very skilled, but he lost to much lesser men than Hagler.People seem to only remember the Hagler that fought Leonard. At that point, he was still very good but a snitch past his prime.(But then again,so was Leonard)The Hagler in his prime could do it all. He had a viscious jab, KO power in both hands, good hand and foot speed, solid defense, and a granite chin. I truly don't think Ray could hurt him. Ray would never hit him as hard as Hearns did and he would not dazzle him like Leonard did. Ray would win the early rounds with his speed, but in a 15 round fight, Hagler was just a beast. Ray Robinson was great, but he has never had a fearless champion that loved going to war like Hagler standing in front of him. At a catch weight, things could possibly be different. But at 160, I think Hagler was the best. Not to insult any Robinson fans, but I wonder how successful Robinson would have been in Hagler's era. Could he stand up to a tall skillfull KO artist like Thomas Hearns? What about Duran and his pressure and sneaky defense and counter punching ability. Maybe he gets by those guys but I will be one of the first to say that he loses to Leonard at 147, but wins at 160. Is Robinson the greatest of all times, or are people just in the habit of saying he is. I've watched and studied his most popular fights. He was truly amazing to watch. But with the flaws he had and the way he threw a lot of his punches, I see Hagler catching him.

Now this is a good one! Much better than the obvious answer one of Leonard vs Pac. Damn Im going to have to go with Robinson. But wait at what weight are we talking? 160? 147?(even though Hagler didnt fight there) or at a catchweight like 154? Id still go with Robinson, too good in every department and was a murderous puncher with either hand. Harder puncher than Leonard and Leonard got some respect from Hagler so I say Robinson.

ray was just to skilled and slick for hagler ... ray swells him up before 5 rds...

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Hagler. Don't really know why but Hagler was just so freakin well built, like a tank. I don't know, I am just gravitating towards Hagler for some reason. :dunno: