Did Pacquiao really refused Floyd OST?

If it was a road block, why did team pac originally agree to it without cut offs and you had roach out there saying they would take whatever tests since they hqd nothimg to hide? You just failed and so does your thread You don't have a point bc pac originally agreed to ost without cut off. When they coutered with the 10mil per lb and Floyd agreed to it calling their bluff, that's when they started asking for cut off days Don't speak on the topic when you obviously have the slightest idea what you are talking about and what actually happened Obviously, you didn't get the point. Floyd OST is the root of the problem and obviously once again if he didn't ask for it like everybody else who didn't take Floyd OST in their fights.

The only part you are missing is that Floyd gave pac the 14 days PACROID asked for. It wasnt 17/18 days your liar. Pac asked for 14, floyd eventually gave it to him, pac walked to fight clottey. I ate lying ass pactards. Care to provide a link to where Pacquiao asked for 14 days back in December 09:tool: Can you explain how 14 days is acceptable for Floyd in December but 6 months later it is not acceptable? Only difference is Pacquiao did not accept 14 days in December and did accept 14 days and more in June. When Pacquiao gives in to Floyd's demands Floyd demands more so he can avoid the fight. Stop telling lies:crying:

Honestly yes, I do, because I don't think Arum or Roach really didn't anything to do with fighting Pac fighting FMJ. Now answer my question honestly. Do u think if Pac had accepted the original OST offer or the 14 days during the first negotiations, that we would've seen the fight a long time ago? I say...OF COURSE! Floyd was the first who asked for the test = the road block. Pac will look like an idiot agreeing to the original OST when nobody asked him in the first place, right? So my question (if Floyd did not ask the OST.....?) we will always comes first not yours. It's funny to asked.. "if Pac agreed to the original OST we've already seen the fight long time ago?" when Floyd did not ask the test in the first place, (I repeat) right?. I don't know if you can get my point.

Pac is hiding? May I ask you and answer it honestly. Do you think if Floyd did not ask for OST we've already seen this fight a long time ago? OF COURSE! Honestly yes, I do, because I don't think Arum or Roach really didn't anything to do with fighting Pac fighting FMJ. Now answer my question honestly. Do u think if Pac had accepted the original OST offer or the 14 days during the first negotiations, that we would've seen the fight a long time ago? I say...OF COURSE! Fights happening everywhere as we speak but none of those took Floyd OST even those boxers who talked about OST (Hopkins, etc...), siding Floyd but still none of them subjected themselves to the test except in Floyd own fights just to save his thick face. None of them were asked before a contract was signed, so that is a silly comparison. Do you think if any of them were asked before the contracts were signed and they stood to make 40-50 million, that any of them would say no? I think we both know the answer to this one. If u don't then something is wrong with you. What a pity. We are not against for the better testing but Floyd just 2 months OST are full of holes that can be exploited easily. That's funny, now u are complaining that 2 months of training is full of holes. The whole time Pactards have been saying the exact opposite "2 weeks is fair" "what PED can give u an advantage with only 2 wks of use". Now ur complaining about 2 months. At least the very least, its the most comprehensive test that is availible in the USA, by a reputable testing organization. Pac can simply say...you go to hell coward but then he negotiated for the fight= Pac was trying to clear the road block Floyd put around himself leading to this fight. But he didnt say "you go to hell". They originally said that OST was no problem? That there were 2 out of the norm requests. OST and the a 10 mil per lb weight penalty (actually 3 if u could Pac getting 50-50 since FMJ is the cash cow). Floyd could've said "you go to hell coward", but he didn't, he accepted the weight penalty , you know why? Because FMJ felt he had nothing to worry about in not making the weight. That is how u act when you have nothing to worry about. Pac on the other hand agreed, then changed his mind, and since then has come up with too many excuses to count on why he wouldn't accept. How do u blame Mayweather, when he accepted the abnormal request made of him, yet absolve Pac for not accepting his. That is plain Lunacy. Is that too difficult to comprehend the words "he negotiated for the fight"? or Pac hiding is the right word for you? If you think what Pac did was negotiation "for" a fight, then you should go back to negotiations 101. Their actions were negotiations "against" the fight. You don't start out at "no problem"(where all u have to do is sign the contract) then move from days to a month, then back to 24 days and convince anyone with sense that you are negotiating "for" a fight. If u can't see that, then there isn't much more to say. IS THAT TOO DIFFICULT FOR U TO COPPREHEND NEGOTIATING "FOR" THE FIGHT?

Actually a good argument can be made for him hiding. His team originally said OST was NO PROBLEM. Why did they go from that all the way to 30 days? Moving from accepting 0 days to 30 days and then 24 days is not a reasonable negotiation. What FMJ did moving from 0 days to 14 day was. He met in the middle even though they said they would accept 0 days. Pac moved AWAY from the fight happening, Floyd moved towards it. Pac is hiding? May I ask you and answer it honestly. Do you think if Floyd did not ask for OST we've already seen this fight a long time ago? OF COURSE! Fights happening everywhere as we speak but none of those took Floyd OST even those boxers who talked about OST (Hopkins, etc...), siding Floyd but still none of them subjected themselves to the test except in Floyd own fights just to save his thick face. What a pity. We are not against for the better testing but Floyd just 2 months OST are full of holes that can be exploited easily. Pac can simply say...you go to hell coward but then he negotiated for the fight= Pac was trying to clear the road block Floyd put around himself leading to this fight. Is that too difficult to comprehend the words "he negotiated for the fight"? or Pac hiding is the right word for you?

My point is Pac did not refuse or against the OST to be labeled you all he was hiding something or scared to fight Floyd. He negotiate to the term may both side reach to an agreement. Actually a good argument can be made for him hiding. His team originally said OST was NO PROBLEM. Why did they go from that all the way to 30 days? Moving from accepting 0 days to 30 days and then 24 days is not a reasonable negotiation. What FMJ did moving from 0 days to 14 day was. He met in the middle even though they said they would accept 0 days. Pac moved AWAY from the fight happening, Floyd moved towards it.

I remember when the 14 days offered by Floyd team. You all Floyd fans said the 14 days offered was fair and just. Pac team counter offered 24 days and Floyd all has to do is accept it but he didn't. After a while Floyd took back the 14 days and Pac team tried to negotiate with 14 days and Floyd said he already took back the offered. lol! Then you all Floyd fans said before the 14 days is more than enough to a PED user and it fair for both side, all of the sudden you took back all your words as well. lol. Floyd and Marquez signed the contact they will meet at 144 but Floyd did not honor the contract he signed just like when he ignored the court order to show his proof Pac was on PED as he accused Pacquiao. He didn't bother to make weight and just happily paid the cheap add penalty. Too bad that ain't what happened. Pac moved from "yes anytime" all the way up to 30 days. He only moved to 24 days after they were caught lying about the reasoning for the 30day only to be proven that they did it at 24 days with Hatton. There was an impass and soon BEFORE arbitration, Floyd's team offered them 14 days. So lets recap what we have so far because some of us seem to get confused by long paragraphs. 1.Floyd asks for OST 2. Pac's teams says sure no problem. 3. Soon, Team Pac starts back peddling...and do so all the way to 30 days and only move to 24 days after they are caught lying. 4. Impass 5. Before Arbitration Floyd's team offers 14days. After arbitration, Pac team lies and blamed the breakdown on FMJ. Floyd came out and said they offered 14 days before, during and was still offering it. Pac's & team 2 days later had the fight signed with Clottey. From FMJ point of view, why would he offer that same deal, after Pac's team was caught lying about his 14 day offer as well as lied and made it seem like he was the reason for the breakdown? The friggen arbatrator even came out and said that Pac's team was LYING! He took that off the table and only AFTER THAT, did it become a good enough to accept. Facts are fact and the fact is that Pac's team walked away from the same offer that they felt was good enough a few months later. BY the way, FMJ again had NEVER been over his weight class. It is not far fetched to think that someone coming off a 2 year layoff might have a problem making weight 2 catch weight 3lbs less than his weight class. You acting like you know FMJ didn't bother to make weight is pure speculation. We can also speculate that Pac didn't bother trying to make weight the time....oops, the 2x he was overweight for his weight class! Pac didn't honor his "contract" to his wife and had a child by a hooker and numerous affairs.....That has about as much to do with this conversation as FMJ not honoring court cases.

you gone sit here and lie like floyd didnt want 0 days to begin with and manny wanted 30..the mediator came up with 14 and manny walked away and fought clottey???wow..just wow..and floyd NEVER came in over a commision weight limit of a weight class..but manny did 2 times so maybe manny needs the 10 million over the weight penalty My point is Pac did not refuse or against the OST to be labeled you all he was hiding something or scared to fight Floyd. He negotiate to the term may both side reach to an agreement.

he went as low as 24 in the only OFFICIAL NEGOTIATION..the mediatior went to 14 and manny walked away......jmm was a catchweight fight of 144 floyds NEVER CAME IN OVER A DIVISIONAL LIMIT.....BUT MANNY HAS 2 TIMES....ya'll stop all these damn lies I remember when the 14 days offered by Floyd team. You all Floyd fans said the 14 days offered was fair and just. Pac team counter offered 24 days and Floyd all has to do is accept it but he didn't. After a while Floyd took back the 14 days and Pac team tried to negotiate with 14 days and Floyd said he already took back the offered. lol! Then you all Floyd fans said before the 14 days is more than enough to a PED user and it fair for both side, all of the sudden you took back all your words as well. lol. Floyd and Marquez signed the contact they will meet at 144 but Floyd did not honor the contract he signed just like when he ignored the court order to show his proof Pac was on PED as he accused Pacquiao. He didn't bother to make weight and just happily paid the cheap add penalty.

manny and his team are full of sh1t and lies....i dont wanna hear anything from them until the contracts are signed

Manny walked away from 14 days to fight clottey floyd said 14 days were off of the table floyd fought mosley with no known cut off then said he was taking time off all the sudden manny said he wants 14 days manny claims he agreed to EVERYTHING floyd returns says"manny you're next" now all the sudden usada isnt good enough and they're biased wada airs arum out and said if the fights is the US..THE USada would do the test since then...........silence from team manny on the topic and floyd

Did Pacquiao negotiated for 24 days, 14 days or 7 days or not? Did Floyd cheated Marquez and just paid the weight penalty or not? If your answer is NO then we have a winner. he went as low as 24 in the only OFFICIAL NEGOTIATION..the mediatior went to 14 and manny walked away......jmm was a catchweight fight of 144 floyds NEVER CAME IN OVER A DIVISIONAL LIMIT.....BUT MANNY HAS 2 TIMES....ya'll stop all these damn lies

you gone sit here and lie like floyd didnt want 0 days to begin with and manny wanted 30..the mediator came up with 14 and manny walked away and fought clottey???wow..just wow..and floyd NEVER came in over a commision weight limit of a weight class..but manny did 2 times so maybe manny needs the 10 million over the weight penalty Did Pacquiao negotiated for 24 days, 14 days or 7 days or not? Did Floyd cheated Marquez and just paid the weight penalty or not? If your answer is NO then we have a winner.

You don't understand? well here is my detailed explanation. The point is who put the first road block leading to this fight? It was Pacquiao because he refused Floyd OST? NO! Why? Well, how the hell Pac can refuse the OST when nobody ask him at the first place? Floyd asked this big obstacle and so the road block began. Floyd fans will say, Floyd accepted the $10m penalty why Pac could not do the same about the OST? Well in fact, Pac did not blatantly refuse it but negotiated to the term both side may agree. The very first time Floyd asked OST did Pac said..."go to hell with your OST and I will never fight you!" He didn't right? Instead, he negotiated to 24 days, 14 days and 7 days cut-off. All Floyd have to do is agree to the term and we should seen this fight long time ago but he simply moved the goal post from 14 days to 0 day cut-off. Who is at fault? Floyd fans should know, NEGOTIATION was invented to reach into term agreeable to both side. If the other party involved stand firm and will not bulge or doesn't care if the negotiation fail then you know should by then the result. Now we back to the $10m penalty Floyd had agreed easily. Well, its common sense Floyd has no other choice but to agree. Do you think he is fool enough and says he is against to the $10m weight penalty when everybody knows he cheated Marquez at the scale, gladly and happily just paid the cheap overweight penalty. The same will goes to his OST. For the rest of his life, he has to take his OST in his every fights to save his face or be labeled he is just really scared to fight the Pacman. you gone sit here and lie like floyd didnt want 0 days to begin with and manny wanted 30..the mediator came up with 14 and manny walked away and fought clottey???wow..just wow..and floyd NEVER came in over a commision weight limit of a weight class..but manny did 2 times so maybe manny needs the 10 million over the weight penalty

no he accepted and the fight happened already...

that' right....how many boxers arev there like the little congressman pacquaio?

You don't understand? well here is my detailed explanation. The point is who put the first road block leading to this fight? It was Pacquiao because he refused Floyd OST? NO! Why? Well, how the hell Pac can refuse the OST when nobody ask him at the first place? Floyd asked this big obstacle and so the road block began. Floyd fans will say, Floyd accepted the $10m penalty why Pac could not do the same about the OST? Well in fact, Pac did not blatantly refuse it but negotiated to the term both side may agree. The very first time Floyd asked OST did Pac said..."go to hell with your OST and I will never fight you!" He didn't right? Instead, he negotiated to 24 days, 14 days and 7 days cut-off. All Floyd have to do is agree to the term and we should seen this fight long time ago but he simply moved the goal post from 14 days to 0 day cut-off. Who is at fault? Floyd fans should know, NEGOTIATION was invented to reach into term agreeable to both side. If the other party involved stand firm and will not bulge or doesn't care if the negotiation fail then you know should by then the result. Now we back to the $10m penalty Floyd had agreed easily. Well, its common sense Floyd has no other choice but to agree. Do you think he is fool enough and says he is against to the $10m weight penalty when everybody knows he cheated Marquez at the scale, gladly and happily just paid the cheap overweight penalty. The same will goes to his OST. For the rest of his life, he has to take his OST in his every fights to save his face or be labeled he is just really scared to fight the Pacman. Well said! This should shut up all the retarded flomos!

You don't understand? well here is my detailed explanation. The point is who put the first road block leading to this fight? It was Pacquiao because he refused Floyd OST? NO! Why? Well, how the hell Pac can refuse the OST when nobody ask him at the first place? Floyd asked this big obstacle and so the road block began. Floyd fans will say, Floyd accepted the $10m penalty why Pac could not do the same about the OST? Well in fact, Pac did not blatantly refuse it but negotiated to the term both side may agree. The very first time Floyd asked OST did Pac said..."go to hell with your OST and I will never fight you!" He didn't right? Instead, he negotiated to 24 days, 14 days and 7 days cut-off. All Floyd have to do is agree to the term and we should seen this fight long time ago but he simply moved the goal post from 14 days to 0 day cut-off. Who is at fault? Floyd fans should know, NEGOTIATION was invented to reach into term agreeable to both side. If the other party involved stand firm and will not bulge or doesn't care if the negotiation fail then you know should by then the result. Now we back to the $10m penalty Floyd had agreed easily. Well, its common sense Floyd has no other choice but to agree. Do you think he is fool enough and says he is against to the $10m weight penalty when everybody knows he cheated Marquez at the scale, gladly and happily just paid the cheap overweight penalty. The same will goes to his OST. For the rest of his life, he has to take his OST in his every fights to save his face or be labeled he is just really scared to fight the Pacman.

Pacquiao could wait for Floyd forever, Pacquiao was willing to compromise Floyd wasn't 17/18 days was on the table, Floyd's team told Floyd to take it, Floyd stuck to his guns. Pacquiao had a March date to fight, 12 weeks for training and promotions, how long was he expected to wait for Floyd, who was not budging from his posistion. It was clear Floyd was not interested in fighting. Made even more clear when he set the Mosley match up for May, even though Shane was ready. He even feared taking Pacquiao on in the PPV stakes. Pacquiao didn't compromise anything. How do u call it compromise when you start from "we said sure, no problem, we will take any test you want" to "not the day before the fight" "not a within 3 days of the fight" to 30 days and because your caught lying, you change to 30 days, to 24 days. You are making things up with the 17/18 days dude. Why would Mayweather decline 17/18 days when his team offered 14? That makes no sense. The 14 day offer is not a rumor, it is something that was CONFIRMED along with the fact that it was declined by the Pacquiao team. All Pac had to do was agree to the terms that he thought was acceptable just a few months later(it's only a coincidence that he waited until after the offer was taken off the table) and we probably would've already seen the rematch. Now that you know the facts and you know that it was Pac who walked away from 14 days, that FMJ made the compromises and Pac moved away from them, will you now change your comment to "It was clear PAC was not interested in fighting"? http://www.fighthype.com/pages/mayweather-pacquiao-negotiations-timeline-1.html#PART1B http://fighthype.com/pages/mayweather-pacquiao-negotiations-timeline-2.html

You sir are just making stuff up. Pac never offered 21 day, they offered 24, and ONLY because they got caught lying about not taking blood test before 30 days. They also never offered any 17/18 days. How could they have done that when they didn't even accept the 14 days that was offered before, during and after arbitration? 14 days was on the table and Pac's team walked away and ONLY accepted it once FMJ said it was no longer on the table. Those are the facts! Pacquiao could wait for Floyd forever, Pacquiao was willing to compromise Floyd wasn't 17/18 days was on the table, Floyd's team told Floyd to take it, Floyd stuck to his guns. Pacquiao had a March date to fight, 12 weeks for training and promotions, how long was he expected to wait for Floyd, who was not budging from his posistion. It was clear Floyd was not interested in fighting. Made even more clear when he set the Mosley match up for May, even though Shane was ready. He even feared taking Pacquiao on in the PPV stakes.