was ali really the greatest?

I pretty much agree with the common opinion that Ali is the greatest Heavyweight of all time but not greatest P4P of all time.

no shot not even close i personally do not think he was the greatest heavyweight either but great great great fighter not the greatest not even close

At heavyweight its between him and Louis. P4p I rank Langford, Greb, Robinson with Ali somewhere between 15 and 20 or so. Just to many other fighters in history who fought and beat better comp. Ali beat the best heavyweight comp, not the best overall comp.

Unbeatable in prime Lost his legs, and still was whooping on dudes

Who would be favourite against a prime Ali? So maybe he can be considered the greatest. in a headup fight yes, but thats not really what most people think about when judging greatness.

Who would be favourite against a prime Ali? So maybe he can be considered the greatest.

At heavyweight: Yes. Some say Joe Louis, I'm taking Ali all day. Including all divisions: No. He may not even be top 5 all time including all divisions, which sounds crazy but shows just how good some of the lower weight fighters were and how impressive their resumes are.

Ali has a lot of die hard fans lol hard to say he didnt earn it. hes no hype job. even if u rank the others above him, its not because of what ali lacks, its because of what they might have done.

I would argue that "greatest" and "best" are two different things. YESSSS... that two word has different meaning... Thankyou.......

by "better" i was meaning greater....... the only footage that I've seen of greb was a sparring match. your argument FAILS. in this case Julio chavez jr. is greater then mayweather because if u were to glance at records it would seem so? no. the thing is when you watch jr. fight it's obvious that he's no where near close to mayweather (in terms of just watching a overall fighter) & when you actually dig deep into both guys resumes it's obvious that mayweather has taken on a much higher comp (in a better era of boxing) vs JCC jr. you have to dig DEEP into these guys resumes & study the film to a TEE (thats also a vital part of judging a fighters overall greatness) you can't do that with greb. no one even knows grebs greatest wins.....watching a fighters MEMORABLE wins seals his greatness. robinson vs lomata (valintines massacre) ali vs foreman (thriller in M) (the way that he wins, was he battling heat exhaustion, were the odds against him, how did he win, was it a spectacular performance) theres NO footage on greb at all.... you guys have went too far with trying to come off as some kind of knowlegeable experts haha it's gotten quite silly & ridiculous. but indeed hilarious to read...... No that's not my argument, not even close. never insinuated anything like. How did you come up with that? It has nothing to do with records. It's resume and accomplishments determine greatness. Skills and talent determine who's better. One fighter can be better than the other doesn't mean his greater. It's hilarious to read what you thought my logic was though. But, that's just silly and ridiculous.

Ali has a lot of die hard fans lol

who says we need to include Charisma? fame? and really money? I guess Hagler gets some serious points deducted i think you confused about the best p4p with the greatest, ithink my self SRR is the best p4p, but great is different word. greatest is inter milan in the 40's, greatest is real madrid win 5 champions league in the 60's, greatest is babe ruth, greatest is 2004 boxing day tsunami, greatest is ALI.

sounds to me you're talking about the most influential fighter. There Ali would be number one. I would argue that "greatest" and "best" are two different things.

Exactly right sir, I wouldn't judge Greb in terms of skills nor would I match in a H2H match up. Because, I have never seen any footage. But, in terms of greatness you judge that by resume and accomplishments. Don't really need visual evidence for that. To determine who is the best fighter of all time? I couldn't disagree more. Feel free to select a fighter you have never seen fight as "the best." It seems ignorant to me.

Whats your definition of greatest? If your definition of greatest is "being a cheating coward and horrible scumbag POS human being whose physical decrepitude mirrors his personality" then yes, Ali is the greatest. The greatest by my definition is either "1. who accomplished most 2. Who is the best" In which case id go with 1. SRR and 2. Vitali Klitschko

there will never be anyone in boxing that is "greater" than Ali. He may not have "technically" been the best fighter, but no one had the impact, fought the kind of fights, and resonated with the people like Ali. He will always be the greatest.

Ofcourse he is the greatest.... i know a lot of people will disagree and put robinson a head, but when we talk about greatness we have to include all the aspect such accomplishment, charisma, money , fame, skill and influence to the younger generation. ALI = athlete of the century sounds to me you're talking about the most influential fighter. There Ali would be number one.

Ofcourse he is the greatest.... i know a lot of people will disagree and put robinson a head, but when we talk about greatness we have to include all the aspect such accomplishment, charisma, money , fame, skill and influence to the younger generation. ALI = athlete of the century who says we need to include Charisma? fame? and really money? I guess Hagler gets some serious points deducted

wanna know what you think:boxing: Ofcourse he is the greatest.... i know a lot of people will disagree and put robinson a head, but when we talk about greatness we have to include all the aspect such accomplishment, charisma, money , fame, skill and influence to the younger generation. ALI = athlete of the century

Ali is one of the greatest EVER in any sport. and they took away 4 years of his prime. Imagine him dominating those 4 years, then he would probably rank over Robinson as ATG. He might have had the most title defenses of all time. but we will never know. but everything he did after those 4 years is still GREAT.