Can Ortiz win a decision against Floyd??

Was Oscar people idol? Did people not see him as a media star? And, no your Floyd reasoning makes no sense either. There's really one fighter with enough power and juice(pun intended) to get a gift decision over Floyd and that is Pac. And, the only fighter previous with enough power and juice(again pun intended) was Oscar. And, it almost happened. Believe it or not Floyd is seen as a star and huge money maker. They like Floyd. The only fighter that has enough power and juice to get a gift over Pac. Is Floyd mayweather.... Now the question is would Ortiz get robbed by either guy? No because Ortiz could be seen as the next guy. This the guy that GBP has been hyping up as the next dude. The next Oscar. However, Ortiz wouldn't get a gift. He does get the decision he has earned it. Who said anything about gift? The TS said if he won the fight would he get robbed and the answer is no. I didnt say that he would get robbed against Pac either. I said it was just more likely for him to get robbed against Pac then it would be Floyd and I still stand by that but whatevea. Also it sounds like youre trying to switch up. 1st you acted like GBP wouldnt want Floyd to lose to Ortiz because he was the star and now you act like they would want Ortiz to win. Doesnt matter. We'll agree to disagree

If Ortiz wins then GBP have a huge pull in that he can be marketed as the guy that took Mayweather's 0 - I am sure they would make a higher percentage off of Ortiz than Mayweather and Ortiz is younger so they would have more years to exploit his money earning potential. In short, I agree that GBP would not allow Ortiz to get robbed.

so what are you saying though? The Floyd part did make sense after all but the Pac part doesnt? Well you were still wrong about that, right? Anyways on to Pac. Its still different when you are liked. Alot of people buy Floyd to see him get KTFO. It doesnt matter why they buy you as long as they buy you but no one wants there hero to get beat in any sport. Pac is alot of people's idol. Beating him doesnt boost Ortiz like it would to beat Floyd, the guy everyone hates anyway. He would be a hero for doing that. Not for beating Pac Was Oscar people idol? Did people not see him as a media star? And, no your Floyd reasoning makes no sense either. There's really one fighter with enough power and juice(pun intended) to get a gift decision over Floyd and that is Pac. And, the only fighter previous with enough power and juice(again pun intended) was Oscar. And, it almost happened. Believe it or not Floyd is seen as a star and huge money maker. They like Floyd. The only fighter that has enough power and juice to get a gift over Pac. Is Floyd mayweather.... Now the question is would Ortiz get robbed by either guy? No because Ortiz could be seen as the next guy. This the guy that GBP has been hyping up as the next dude. The next Oscar. However, Ortiz wouldn't get a gift. He does get the decision he has earned it.

Elaborate more please? Floyd is a star, the public buys Floyd fights. So why would they want him to lose? If Ortiz knocks Pac off, he's will be just as big of a star as if he is to knock Floyd off. He will still be that "young, handsome, charismatic, Mexican-American" and even since we playing the "if" game. And, if Ortiz would be with Top rank(he was there early in his career) then Arum could Ortiz as the next Oscar. Because, all that "young, handsome, charismatic, Mexican-American" is basically describing Oscar(no homo) so what are you saying though? The Floyd part did make sense after all but the Pac part doesnt? Well you were still wrong about that, right? Anyways on to Pac. Its still different when you are liked. Alot of people buy Floyd to see him get KTFO. It doesnt matter why they buy you as long as they buy you but no one wants there hero to get beat in any sport. Pac is alot of people's idol. Beating him doesnt boost Ortiz like it would to beat Floyd, the guy everyone hates anyway. He would be a hero for doing that. Not for beating Pac

I can't see Ortiz winning by anything other than a KO.

I totally disagree. GBP was openly rooting for Mosley to beat Floyd. Cheering non stop when Floyd almost got KO. You think they wouldnt want a young, handsome, charsamatic (no homo), Mexican-American like Ortiz to win? A guy 24 years old who will fight 3 times a year and would have the stardom after that win to be another Oscar? He has the perfect life story and all. They wouldnt care one bit if Ortiz won that fight. Now if Ortiz were on Top Rank, who do you think TR would be going for? Who do you think the public would be going for? They would want Pac to win that fight. The public still matters because the public buys the fights. They hate Floyd and if a guy like Ortiz knocked him off then he is an instant star. Its not the same in Pac's case Elaborate more please? Floyd is a star, the public buys Floyd fights. So why would they want him to lose? If Ortiz knocks Pac off, he's will be just as big of a star as if he is to knock Floyd off. He will still be that "young, handsome, charismatic, Mexican-American" and even since we playing the "if" game. And, if Ortiz would be with Top rank(he was there early in his career) then Arum could Ortiz as the next Oscar. Because, all that "young, handsome, charismatic, Mexican-American" is basically describing Oscar(no homo)

HELL NO Ortiz is not going to be HANDED A DECISION, he is going to have to win CONVINCINGLY to get a Decision over Mayweather all this BS about Mayweather not being liked...he is not liked by SOME FANS and SOME OF THE MEDIA...but the Odd Makers LOVE HIM and also he brings a lot of money to the Sport IN GENERAL I think even GBP would gladly sacrifice Ortiz to Mayweather if they can be apart of Promoting Mayweather vs Pacquiao in saying all that, I don't think it will come down to that though, Ortiz knows he will need a KO to win, not because he will "GET ROBBED" but because it will be extremely difficult to out-box Mayweather overall, the longer the fight goes the WORSE it will get for Ortiz IMO

Who's everybody? GBP? You think of the most power promotion on HBO and boxing period would let or want their young buck get robbed against the best fighter from their main rival stable? Who are the people that want Floyd to lose? HBO doesn't, GBP probably doesn't either, Haymon the most powerful man on HBO doesn't. NSAC knows how much money Floyd brings doubt they wanted it either... Fans do not control the outcome of such decisions. When a robbery happens is not because of fans. I totally disagree. GBP was openly rooting for Mosley to beat Floyd. Cheering non stop when Floyd almost got KO. You think they wouldnt want a young, handsome, charsamatic (no homo), Mexican-American like Ortiz to win? A guy 24 years old who will fight 3 times a year and would have the stardom after that win to be another Oscar? He has the perfect life story and all. They wouldnt care one bit if Ortiz won that fight. Now if Ortiz were on Top Rank, who do you think TR would be going for? Who do you think the public would be going for? They would want Pac to win that fight. The public still matters because the public buys the fights. They hate Floyd and if a guy like Ortiz knocked him off then he is an instant star. Its not the same in Pac's case

Of course Ortiz has a chance. In and out of the ring. We've been looking for him and Rios to step up out west. Marquez is getting old and Margo lost to Shane. Margarito was lined up to pull in the LA crowd. But faltered. We always have someone to fill up a spot. We have plenty of good boxers ready to get t on

GBP could give a crap about Ortiz. They have a star lined up for the forseable future. Canelo. GBP wouldnt let Khan vs. Mayweather go to waste. No way.

what? I really mean that and not as a diss. I think if you are looking at it like somone getting robbed because a big fight is down the line, I think it would definitely be done more in Pac's case then in Floyd's. People want Floyd to lose and people want Pac to win every single fight. Im not saying Pac is crooked or anythign. Im just responding to the question asked and my answer is based on the fact that everyone loves Pac and wants him to win every single fight while everyone wants Floyd to lose every single fight. Thats my point Who's everybody? GBP? You think of the most power promotion on HBO and boxing period would let or want their young buck get robbed against the best fighter from their main rival stable? Who are the people that want Floyd to lose? HBO doesn't, GBP probably doesn't either, Haymon the most powerful man on HBO doesn't. NSAC knows how much money Floyd brings doubt they wanted it either... Fans do not control the outcome of such decisions. When a robbery happens is not because of fans.

I would say yes, I don't think the Judges would favour Mayweather IMO if that scenario happens, Mayweather isn't well liked but I was surprised he got the decision against De la Hoya, because I would have thought the judges had the perfect chance to give Mayweather a Loss on his record.

But Floyd is also invested in golden boy.Also,Mattysse lost to Alexander when he dropped him & clearly won 4 rounds & He's a golden boy fighter. Neither Matthysse, nor Lara did GBP hype up as the next big guy in boxing. They never had hopes of them being the money maker for them like they did/do for Ortiz. Neither Ortiz nor Alvarez nor Khan will ever get robbed anytime soon. Yes GBP has an investment on Floyd. But, if Ortiz wins, Ortiz will get the decision.

omfg....... what? I really mean that and not as a diss. I think if you are looking at it like somone getting robbed because a big fight is down the line, I think it would definitely be done more in Pac's case then in Floyd's. People want Floyd to lose and people want Pac to win every single fight. Im not saying Pac is crooked or anythign. Im just responding to the question asked and my answer is based on the fact that everyone loves Pac and wants him to win every single fight while everyone wants Floyd to lose every single fight. Thats my point

Thanks for the imput bro.Seems like ur the only 1 that actually read the tread & not just the title.But this is how I feel too. Excuse me for posting without answering your question. Ortiz needs a KO to beat Floyd. Better?

GBP would not let Ortiz get robbed But Floyd is also invested in golden boy.Also,Mattysse lost to Alexander when he dropped him & clearly won 4 rounds & He's a golden boy fighter.

No. I dont favor any WW to win a decision against him. No way. To do so means you have to win more rounds than Floyd. No. Just no.

GBP would not let Ortiz get robbed

also, in terms of conspiracy im not buying it. If this was pac-ortiz then maybe because everyone loves pac but most hate floyd. They want to see pac kill him but then wouldnt complain at all if someone else did it before pac. They want floyd to lose. I dont think no one would be in on something like that omfg.......

Ortiz is a money maker that GBP had been hyping up. I doubt he gets robbed. Only Ortiz wins a decision though is if Floyd became old, and the inactivity caught up with him.