who did andre ward beat to deserve the n 9 spot in the ring's p4p?

He's ranked that high because he's American. His Kessler win was a hometown head-butting, he did not beat him fairly. If Froch was American he'd be a superstar - fact. He has a better resume than Ward and has repeatedly fought away from home. Ward wouldn't beat Kessler in Denmark because he wouldn't be allowed to headbutt without being penalised, and he would never have the guts to fight him there anyway. I think Ward is a top fighter, but let's be real. http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Mikkel+Kessler+v+Andre+Ward+MLEljvc58T-l.jpg http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Mikkel+Kessler+v+Andre+Ward+pf2fZnGCxsRl.jpg http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Mikkel+Kessler+v+Andre+Ward+T_NgjUWg7frl.jpg yeah it was all headbutts that defeated Kessler....Absolutely! NO DOUBT ABOUT IT! :haha: They can fight in Kessler's Mother Living Room and the Results would be the SAME! Ward hand speed was giving Kessler MAJOR PROBLEMS!

He should've lost twice. The first loss should've been against Dirrell. Hug or not, Froch got outboxed. Most writers and experts feel Froch lost that fight. That was nowhere close to a robbery don't make it sound like one...It was a close fight that could have been score either way,and imo was scored the right way..Dirrell did not come to fight therefore did not deserve to win..

I guess AA, Kessler, Bika got him there. He is good but I think some people rate him a little high based on his wins.

He's ranked that high because he's American. His Kessler win was a hometown head-butting, he did not beat him fairly. If Froch was American he'd be a superstar - fact. He has a better resume than Ward and has repeatedly fought away from home. Ward wouldn't beat Kessler in Denmark because he wouldn't be allowed to headbutt without being penalised, and he would never have the guts to fight him there anyway. I think Ward is a top fighter, but let's be real. Good post. I think people want Ward to be great, being a gold medalist and American. He has managed to skate by so far, but like you said his best win is marred by his tactics(some choose to ignore the constant headbutts and holding). He is a good fighter no doubt, but overrated.

I've never been real impressed with him. He gets the job done, but he is lacking. I think Bute would knock him out.

He beat Kessler, and dominated him... He also dominated Abraham (after 4 rounds)... Green obviously insn't in his league, and thus was dominated as he should be. Becuz was a tough fighter, that gave him a tough fight but was not suppoe to win, and didn't. Maybe instead of mentioning Bute, as if he deserved that spot instead, u should bring up more names that deserve the spot becuz there may be some good arguments u can make. But BUTE???? Noooo

so why is he ranked that high ? why is everyone acting like ward has the best resume at 168 ? He's ranked that high because he's American. His Kessler win was a hometown head-butting, he did not beat him fairly. If Froch beat Kessler he'd have that spot on the list, BUT he did'nt! Now run along!! If Froch was American he'd be a superstar - fact. He has a better resume than Ward and has repeatedly fought away from home. Ward wouldn't beat Kessler in Denmark because he wouldn't be allowed to headbutt without being penalised, and he would never have the guts to fight him there anyway. I think Ward is a top fighter, but let's be real.

Yo Andre Ward is nice he has dominated the super six and is one of the best young talents both in and out of the ring!!!! Shout out to that boy J Prince and J Prince Boxing I see you out there shining!!!!

Bute will put him on a stretcher if froch doesn't do so first.

Wins over Kessler, Green, Bika, Abraham in a row. Froch lost to Dirrell and Kessler.

Andre Ward is clearly the class of the division. If he can just put a little more power behind his shots he would be a super star in my opinion(not that he isn't already, just that would make him a household name). Ward has beat everyone put in front of him and pretty much shut them out so that would be why he is ranked so high. He hits and doesn't get hit. The Froch fight will be interesting but unless Froch can catch him, which no one seems to be able to do at the moment, he will lose a decision.

Should have lost two???To whom??Froch beat Dirrell in my book so who was the other fighter Froch should have lost to?? He should've lost twice. The first loss should've been against Dirrell. Hug or not, Froch got outboxed. Most writers and experts feel Froch lost that fight.

he took the title from kessler , who got his ass spanked by calzaghe in 2007 . don't get me wrong , it was a solid win but nothing too " flashy flash " Yeah. So? People lose? Kessler bounced back, had a title of sorts and was perhaps the most highly regarded man at the weight when he beat him. Don't be foolish and undersell it. You have to beat who you face and he's done that thus far. title defences :allan green , a guy who never won a title . on top of that he lost to Edison Miranda in 2007 , and was KTFO'd by grandpa glenn johnson after that saiko bika : lost to bute in 2007 , and to freaking mendy ( DQ ) before fighting ward artur abraham : exposed against direll , and outclassed against froch . the guy is just too small , and not good at all Once again, that's one opponent and he was forced to face him in the tournament. That's how it happens. He beat him and kept it moving. Don't make it seem like guys like Bute and Calzaghe (who was ranked higher than Ward currently is) didn't have these types of defenses. Also, Abraham is a good fighter. Not a world beater, but a good fighter. Don't.. say.. stupid.. things. It ruins any validity your argument had. to summarize everything = after beating kessler , ward faced a bute leftover ( bika ) , allan green and a guy who was 1-2 in his last three fights ( abraham ) so why is he ranked that high ? why is everyone acting like ward has the best resume at 168 ? Pound for pound rankings don't mean resume, do they? It's about what fighter would be the best if all fighters were the same size. Now, a resume can INFLUENCE your decision, but it isn't everything. It also has to do with your upside and your abilities and techniques in general. Let's look at resumes. We'll take out common opponents for all fighters if both have beaten the fighter, just to prove a point. WARD: Kessler. Green. Froch: Taylor. Johnson. Dirrell. Pascal. Bute: Andrade (questionable in one of those encounters, as well.) If anything, Bute certainly isn't the top guy. Froch, by resume would be the best. However, Ward is likely the favorite in that bout and I'd pick him over Froch. Bute, could theoretically be the most skilled fighter of the three. The problem with ranking him any higher is that he hasn't tested his skills against the highest level of competition. For as much as you want to ride Ward for his opposition, look at Bute. Bute's biggest wins are agaisnt Bika and Andrade and Bika isn't great and Andrade isn't either. And Andrade might have deserved a stoppage victory in their first bout. Froch has fought a lot of quality fighters, but he's also lost to a guy Ward easily handled and might have lost to Dirrell in different territory. Ward, on the other hand, beat a guy that Froch lost to and that would beat the best fighters Bute has faced. Matter of fact, Kessler beat Andrade from start to finish. No controversy at all. I'll give Bute credit for the rematch and all that. But, the first fight still happened. At this point, no one should be ranked higher than Andre Ward at 168. If Froch beats him, then he's CLEARLY the best fighter in the division.

lol Froch was clearly outboxed vs Dirrell. Froch was out hugged by Dirrell yes out boxed not so much...

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If Froch beat Kessler he'd have that spot on the list, BUT he did'nt! Now run along!! It's all Froch's fault. Had he not lost to Kessler who was out classed and headbutted to death by Ward then this thread wouldn't be such a wasted effort.

Should have lost two???To whom??Froch beat Dirrell in my book so who was the other fighter Froch should have lost to?? lol Froch was clearly outboxed vs Dirrell.

well he has the best resume at 168 and is undefeated. who should be ahead of him that is not?

#1 Kessler was the big favorite to win the tournament. Ward outclassed him. #2 The same Kessler that got outclassed defeated Froch in a very close fight and that same Froch prior looked bad against Direll and should've lost that fight. #3 Ward destroyed Green whom was still a top 6 Super Middleweight contender. #4 Defeated Bika whom would give anyone in the tournament trouble due to his dirty style. Ward even had problems in that fight. Tell me who in the tournament would destroy Bika? #5 Defeated an improved and desperate Abraham(Was more active at first and made things competitive the first four rounds) #6 Has yet to lose a Single Round. Froch has good names on his resume no question BUT Ward has consistently dominated each of his fights while Froch only dominated 1, should've lost 2 and then won one in a competitive fight. Bute has **** for resume. Ward as the #1 SMW deserves to be in the ring rankings. Ward is gonna defeat Froch as well. Ward is all wrong for Froch. Should have lost two???To whom??Froch beat Dirrell in my book so who was the other fighter Froch should have lost to??

he took the title from kessler , who got his ass spanked by calzaghe in 2007 . don't get me wrong , it was a solid win but nothing too " flashy flash " title defences :allan green , a guy who never won a title . on top of that he lost to Edison Miranda in 2007 , and was KTFO'd by grandpa glenn johnson after that saiko bika : lost to bute in 2007 , and to freaking mendy ( DQ ) before fighting ward artur abraham : exposed against direll , and outclassed against froch . the guy is just too small , and not good at all to summarize everything = after beating kessler , ward faced a bute leftover ( bika ) , allan green and a guy who was 1-2 in his last three fights ( abraham ) so why is he ranked that high ? why is everyone acting like ward has the best resume at 168 ? Froch has the best resume at the weight by far..But Ward is undefeated and beat Kessler who(on Paper)beat Froch..Can't be mad at Ward being ranked above him at the moment.. But Froch uses that for fuel,he will be right where he needs to be come the end of Oct..War Froch!!!!!:boxing: