Why is Arum worried about a positive test ?

This freakin' OST is a real roadblock for the fight to happen. For fucking 3 years it's the same regurgitated debate and I'm really tired of reading the same shiet. So for fuck sake let’s just talk about Williams/Lara fight so all this trolls will stfu.seriously, it's the same god damn argument as day 1. Both fighters need to stop being prima donnas and fight

Thats twice now its been made public about Arum being concerned about a positive test ,, I mean " why " if you know your man is clean does this even enter your mind let alone asking what will happen , it just seems to me to be a very guilty thought process , if they really clean this should not even be a thought . Flomonks where is your common sense at all? If Pac was really roiding himself indeed, what makes you think he will still juice himself when he knows he gonna be tested for PED? Do you think its not a suicide? Now the problem is...Just for example, if I'm the one who is taking his blood. I'm can make him positive of PED for 1 million dollars. Floyd past criminal activities like poking people faces, shooting at carpark, threw his daddy outta his house, beat the mother of his children, threatened his children as well when they tried to stop him beating their mother, stole an iphone, not paying his rentals and taxes and many more. If he can do that without blinking his eyes, bribing people to do his bidding might be quite simple for him. The question is...you want this fight to happen or you just want to keep arguing about PEDs forever?

link? ....... Arum: Here's the picture:"USADA tests these two fighters and the Nevada State Athletic Commission is responsible for the fight. So, if one of the fighters is tested dirty, what can happen?" explodes Arum in red-hot countenance. "I mean, nobody can sort this thing out. This is absolutely absurd! There's nothing wrong with Olympic drug-testing. But it has to be done in a sensible, fair manner." http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/8211735/mayweather_does_not_cross_our_radar_pg2.html?cat=14 LOL......remember the teddy atlas emails??

phuck we need to move on homies. i don't want this fight anymore. i'll campaign in my own little way to stop this fight from happening. it's guaranteed to be boring, anyway. phuck the fight. all these people talking about this fight should be banned. or make separate section for this phucking topic. it's the same morons saying the same things over and over again. :bigeyes:

This freakin' OST is a real roadblock for the fight to happen. For fucking 3 years it's the same regurgitated debate and I'm really tired of reading the same shiet. So for fuck sake let’s just talk about Williams/Lara fight so all this trolls will stfu.

:haha: I'll simplify it for you, see if you catch on... Scenario 1: USADA handles testing. Scenario 2: NSAC handles testing (w/ WADA/IOC overseeing). Question 1: What happens if in Scenario 1 a fighter refuses to be tested? Question 2: What happens if in Scenario 1 a fighter fails a test? After you answer those 2 questions, replace scenario 1 with scenario 2, then tell me which scenario is more effective. Your post makes absolutely no sense. Neither does Arum's comments. If USADA conducted the tests and a fighter tested positive, they could report the result of the tests the athletic commission, just like any other independent organization could. The commission could then choose to punish the fighter. So what the hell is the difference? NSAC has already gone on record as saying they are not able to conduct random blood tests (because it would cost too much money) and chose not to change their rules to include random blood tests. Mayweather never said anything about punishment. He said simply he wanted to make sure Pac is clean when and if they fight. The tests are designed to be a deterrent to using illegal drugs, nothing more. If Pac did test positive, Mayweather could simply call the fight off or they could put a stipulation in the contract that says if a fighter tests positive, he will forfeit a certain amount of his purse or something similar. This is just another excuse by Arum. He knows there is no other organization capable of performing the types of thorough tests that the USADA conducts. He went from refusing to test 30 days before the fight to refusing to test 24 days before the fight to refusing to test 14 days before the fight to refusing to allow the USADA to conduct the tests. Even someone as stupid as a Pactard should be able to see what is going on here.

F*ck are you talking about? :thinking: Margarito was suspended for a year. That's a year longer than USADA is allowed to reprimand any pro boxer. They have absolutely no power, authority, or jurisdiction when it comes to pro boxing. This is a fact. margarito wasn't busted in nevada and wasnt apporved to fight in nevada so what's ur point asking USADA not to be in charge because they don't have the power to reprimand an athlete for a positive test is not a good argument because neither does NAC. Margarito while still suspended by the California Athletic commission fought against Garcia his reinstatement was denied by California and NAC and that still didn't stop him from fighting for a WBC belt against one of the top fighters in the world. while still suspended by the California and Nevada Athletic Commissions

They take the same tests so what are you on about , and dont talk of Manny not trying to control the training of his opponents , do you understand the chain reaction of forcing a CW ? What am I on about? I just put in my opinion on the matter. I think you are getting way too excited about this. If Mayweather wants to fight he will fight if not he won't. It's as simple as that. Is Manny trying to control the training of Mayweather? Catch weights are different than forcing a drug test to have the fight. I'm not a fan of the catch weight as well but it can be negotiated when a fighter is moving up in weight as much as Manny has in the last few years. With a CW the fighter can still train the way he usually trains without an unneeded second company coming in.

It simply is a compromise tactic. You can't let your opponent take control of the fight and only want "his" terms. Manny commands as much respect if not more than Mayweather. You don't see Pac trying to control what Mayweather does in his preparation for the fight. Wanting to have some sort of advantage or control of the fight is showing everyone that he is not very secure in his God given talent to handle Manny. He actually has more things to worry about than negotiate a Pac fight right now anyway. They take the same tests so what are you on about , and dont talk of Manny not trying to control the training of his opponents , do you understand the chain reaction of forcing a CW ?

It simply is a compromise tactic. You can't let your opponent take control of the fight and only want "his" terms. Manny commands as much respect if not more than Mayweather. You don't see Pac trying to control what Mayweather does in his preparation for the fight. Wanting to have some sort of advantage or control of the fight is showing everyone that he is not very secure in his God given talent to handle Manny. He actually has more things to worry about than negotiate a Pac fight right now anyway.

F*ck are you talking about? :thinking: Margarito was suspended for a year. That's a year longer than USADA is allowed to reprimand any pro boxer. They have absolutely no power, authority, or jurisdiction when it comes to pro boxing. This is a fact. The whole point of this whole testing Shit is that those commissions suck dick when it comes to this shit. I can't believe people are actually trying to defend this point. This shit fuckin blows my mind how fuckin stupid people on here are. I hate to fucking say it but it was never this bad pre Pac hype.

:haha: I'll simplify it for you, see if you catch on... Scenario 1: USADA handles testing. Scenario 2: NSAC handles testing (w/ WADA/IOC overseeing). Question 1: What happens if in Scenario 1 a fighter refuses to be tested? Question 2: What happens if in Scenario 1 a fighter fails a test? After you answer those 2 questions, replace scenario 1 with scenario 2, then tell me which scenario is more effective. Both are an oxymoron and non relevant , it doesnt matter who does the testing as far as punitive authority goes , that is the point ! If a fighter refused to be tested once testing starts , its as good as a positive test , do you really need to ask that sheees ! when you ever get told by a policeman to blow in the breathalyzer at a road check just refuse and see what happens . Every authority outsources and that outsourcing has nothing to do with prosecution outside its job of lab testing , Arum would need to furnish some sort of example of where the USADA were in someway non professional or something , he needs to cite something that shows the USADA incompetent . How about they put who Bob wants and who Floyd wants and pull one out of a hat and thats the one they use !

From 2 days ago... Nevada to begin random drug tests The Nevada State Athletic Commission is once again in position to randomly drug test licensed fighters who are out-of-competition. Regular testing of athletes is expected to start this month. The commission has had the authority to randomly test its athletes since 2008, but financial restrictions have limited its ability to do so since 2009. That changed last month, when Gov. Brian Sandoval signed into law a bill that will feed close to $200,000 into the state's program during the next two years. "We have the money this month, so I would be surprised if we didn't do some tests in July," Keith Kizer, executive director of NSAC, told ESPN.com. "Each test runs right around $200, so when it's all said and done, we'll test a pretty good chunk." Out-of-competition testing provides the commission a strong tool to catch athletes who are abusing banned substances during training camps. Typically, fighters are tested the week of competition, which allows time to cycle off certain supplements. Although all licensed fighters are fair game to be tested, Kizer said the commission would likely focus on those who have a fight scheduled in Nevada within the next two months, as those are the ones most likely to be using. "From my understanding, about 4-to-6 weeks out is the best time to test somebody for steroids or similar substances because that's probably when they're at their peak," Kizer said. The NSAC is aware, however, the more predictable testing schedules are, the easier it will be for athletes to navigate around them. To counter that, the commission will vary the timing of the tests as well as test fighters who might not have a fight scheduled at all or are scheduled to fight in another state. "We don't want to be stationary with these tests," Kizer said. "If a guy is a user but has no fight coming up, he might not be on it. So, we want to test them when they're planning to use. "But, we'll probably have a few guys who may have fought a couple months earlier we'll call up. They might say, 'What the hell?' but I don't care. They're going in." Should a case come up where a fighter fails a drug test and is scheduled to compete in another state, the athlete would have the right to a hearing before the NSAC ruled on a suspension. Although it would be case by case, chances are the fighter would be pulled from his scheduled fight. "It wouldn't be an automatic prohibition of them fighting somewhere else," said Kizer, regarding that situation. "But I can say on the flip side, if it happened in another state and was brought to our attention, they wouldn't be fighting here." Any licensed athlete that does not comply with a random drug test request would not be automatically suspended, but would have to explain his or her circumstances to the commission. "If you don't do it, that can be used against you," Kizer said. "You're going to have to explain why and if you have no explanation, you'll be denied a license for failing to comply." The program was put to use in 2008 and early 2009 before funds dried out. During that time, 100 percent of the athletes who were randomly selected took the test and passed. The list included high-profile names such as Brock Lesnar, Tito Ortiz, B.J. Penn, and boxing champions Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao. All results of the random tests will be available on public record, according to Kizer. http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=6747430 Does this include random blood tests? Also why say the best time to test is 5-6 weeks on peak levels? If it is random why give dates? He mentionds Sterioids and similar substances but how about HGH and EPO? If they do full random tests that i applaud this. But i find it funny since they state they had the authority to do it since 2008 but only recently got $200,000 and the ability to do it? They have had many multi million dollar fights in the last years why not just pass the bill as mandatory cost for promotrs and fighters coming to vegas? The average bill for random testing can get up to $20,000 which is pocket change for some of the bigger fights.

So why is Team Pacquiao ducking USADA testing? They must just be happy to be making millions fighting old washed up fighters that are coming of terrible performances. Team Pacquiao has been flawless with this strategy. Read the first line of my first post in this thread. Pretty much sums it up. Peace :boxing:

F*ck are you talking about? :thinking: Margarito was suspended for a year. That's a year longer than USADA is allowed to reprimand any pro boxer. They have absolutely no power, authority, or jurisdiction when it comes to pro boxing. This is a fact. So why is Team Pacquiao ducking USADA testing? They must just be happy to be making millions fighting old washed up fighters that are coming of terrible performances. Team Pacquiao has been flawless with this strategy.

The NSAC and NYSAC are all talk- NO ACTION. They have had plenty of chances through their medical advisory boards to modernize testing but have failed. From 2 days ago... Nevada to begin random drug tests The Nevada State Athletic Commission is once again in position to randomly drug test licensed fighters who are out-of-competition. Regular testing of athletes is expected to start this month. The commission has had the authority to randomly test its athletes since 2008, but financial restrictions have limited its ability to do so since 2009. That changed last month, when Gov. Brian Sandoval signed into law a bill that will feed close to $200,000 into the state's program during the next two years. "We have the money this month, so I would be surprised if we didn't do some tests in July," Keith Kizer, executive director of NSAC, told ESPN.com. "Each test runs right around $200, so when it's all said and done, we'll test a pretty good chunk." Out-of-competition testing provides the commission a strong tool to catch athletes who are abusing banned substances during training camps. Typically, fighters are tested the week of competition, which allows time to cycle off certain supplements. Although all licensed fighters are fair game to be tested, Kizer said the commission would likely focus on those who have a fight scheduled in Nevada within the next two months, as those are the ones most likely to be using. "From my understanding, about 4-to-6 weeks out is the best time to test somebody for steroids or similar substances because that's probably when they're at their peak," Kizer said. The NSAC is aware, however, the more predictable testing schedules are, the easier it will be for athletes to navigate around them. To counter that, the commission will vary the timing of the tests as well as test fighters who might not have a fight scheduled at all or are scheduled to fight in another state. "We don't want to be stationary with these tests," Kizer said. "If a guy is a user but has no fight coming up, he might not be on it. So, we want to test them when they're planning to use. "But, we'll probably have a few guys who may have fought a couple months earlier we'll call up. They might say, 'What the hell?' but I don't care. They're going in." Should a case come up where a fighter fails a drug test and is scheduled to compete in another state, the athlete would have the right to a hearing before the NSAC ruled on a suspension. Although it would be case by case, chances are the fighter would be pulled from his scheduled fight. "It wouldn't be an automatic prohibition of them fighting somewhere else," said Kizer, regarding that situation. "But I can say on the flip side, if it happened in another state and was brought to our attention, they wouldn't be fighting here." Any licensed athlete that does not comply with a random drug test request would not be automatically suspended, but would have to explain his or her circumstances to the commission. "If you don't do it, that can be used against you," Kizer said. "You're going to have to explain why and if you have no explanation, you'll be denied a license for failing to comply." The program was put to use in 2008 and early 2009 before funds dried out. During that time, 100 percent of the athletes who were randomly selected took the test and passed. The list included high-profile names such as Brock Lesnar, Tito Ortiz, B.J. Penn, and boxing champions Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao. All results of the random tests will be available on public record, according to Kizer. http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=6747430

The whole argument is a bit trivial in all points. The CSAC suspended Margarito not the NSAC, Margs tried to fight in Nevada but they told him to get reinstated in California first, the location where the actual infraction happened. The WBC pretty much handed Margs a vacant WBC international title when he fought an unknown Garcia and than gave him a shot at a vacant title against Pacquiao in Texas. There are simply too many athletic commissions and international options for a fighter even if testing positive be really finished with their career. Numerous fighters have tested positive and have been reinstated with minimal damage. Boxing has no universal one commission and this allows boxers an promoters to fight in jurisdictions with standard to their liking. Remember Tyson-Lewis happened in Memphis since Tyson wasen't allowed to fight in Vegas. Having the USADA is probably more advised since they are an independent from the sport and not easily going to be bought out by promoters or state athletic commissions. Shane Mosley and now Victor Oritiz have agreed to do the tests. The NSAC and NYSAC are all talk- NO ACTION. They have had plenty of chances through their medical advisory boards to modernize testing but have failed. There can be independent agencies that can actually review the work of the USADA if Arum is so concerned. Arum is a Havard trained attorney he can take action if USADA has improriety in conducting of tests or the issue of false positives. I think the cut off date should be a bigger issue than the USADA.

Thats twice now its been made public about Arum being concerned about a positive test ,, I mean " why " if you know your man is clean does this even enter your mind let alone asking what will happen , it just seems to me to be a very guilty thought process , if they really clean this should not even be a thought . Arum is worried about Floyd paying his agency to say Pac failed a test....:dunce:

The testers dont need authority to punish what a silly notion , they take the tests and report the findings to the people that have the authority to do something official about it ,,, I cant believe your way of thinking here its like forensics , they are lab workers not police or judge just the science people that do the testing . So how about you use your brain in real world situations . :haha: I'll simplify it for you, see if you catch on... Scenario 1: USADA handles testing. Scenario 2: NSAC handles testing (w/ WADA/IOC overseeing). Question 1: What happens if in Scenario 1 a fighter refuses to be tested? Question 2: What happens if in Scenario 1 a fighter fails a test? After you answer those 2 questions, replace scenario 1 with scenario 2, then tell me which scenario is more effective.

Nevada Athletic Commission can't either as proven by Antonio Margarito and his promoter Arum. so that's a stupid reason to put another road block in negotiations no? margarito wasnt busted in nevada and wasnt apporved to fight in nevada so what's ur point