Emmanuel Steward: "Haye fought like a punk.."

Ey dont get me wrong Haye didnt want to taste one of thoe bombs but at the same time Wlad shouldve attacked the body to take Hayes legs away. If Wlad had done that his head would be wide open and BAM Haye would knock him out. Both had the best strategy and IMO it was verry interesting. Besides that Haye was dangerous all the time and hit Wladimir cleaner than anypne i could think off besides Sanders. But of course he needed to hit him much more often.

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On a radio show from the other "site" he said that he was absolutely disgusted with Gayevid, that he fought like a "punk...falling to the ground every time Wlad got close to him, crawling on his hands and knees and complaining to the ref..." When asked abou the pinky toe "...he was jumping around before the fight 3 feet into the air like nothing was wrong..." Also called Booth Gayevid's "buddy", he said "...he is not a trainer, he is Haye's buddy..." Said that had Gayevid even fought a little like he said he would, Wlad would have knocked him out. Not only that, he wasn't impressed with Gayevid's ability to take a punch because Wlad never hit him cleanly with a fully extended shot. Do you have a link to the show? I'd like to hear it. Was it Steve Bunce's show?

Wlad never hit him cleanly was a testaments to Hayes head movment and Wlads average fighting ability and arsenal. He fights too safety first. It's up to his opponent to make him open up. Until that happens we'll see the same ****. Haye did have good head movement. He also rarely landed a punch.

Wald got exposed...nothing more. If you win a lopsided fight nowaday, you just got exposed. Don't believe me ask Richardson.

I see now the point of your thread is not a reasonable debate but try and discredit a former 3 time world champion, you are and always will be a piece of **** poster. I know your camel toe is sore from Gayevid's loss...lol, just like your hero

What was he expecting to get done against a tall guy with a jab by backing up all night? He's not fast enough to counter punch off slipping a jab. And he's not used to trying to fight like a crafty boxer. He picked a hell of a fight to change his style for. And when it wasn't working he never said screw it and went all out. Haye rubbished his big chance.

No but sometimes you have to open your opponent up and take some more risks, Haye didn't use his legs as much as you are making out, Wlad just wasn't throwing because Haye was almost always in a position to counter, and wlad did not want to risk an exchange. I am not cricising him, but to become the superstar he wants to worldwide he has to produce more exciting fights and action even if he leaves himself open. The way he fights does not capture the imagination, he has a winning formula but he needs to tweak that a little and become more exciting, or people will not remember him for the great fighter that he is, they will remember him as being a boring fighter, which is a shame. Maybe Haye wasn't the right fight, but from now on he needs to really step it up and destroy his opponents within 6-7 rounds, not pick away at them until the latter rounds, it is not good enough! Wlad is making excuses and so is Steward, Haye was in range on awful lot and he was just as hesitant as ever. It was like the excuses Roach and Khan were making about McCloskey, it is up to Khan to find the openings, but they both complained about how defensive he was. Thing is I will let Khan off because he just came off the fight of the year. I would like to see Wlad step up, I think he has it in him he proved his chin against Haye to a certain extent. If he is clearly winning the fight, I don't think it is up to Wlad to take the risks. One guy accepted winning and didn't take risks, while the other accepted losing, and didn't take risks. It was up to Haye to try to find a way to win the fight.

I see now the point of your thread is not a reasonable debate but try and discredit a former 3 time world champion, you are and always will be a piece of **** poster.

Actually Steward was not making excuses for Wlad, he said that he wasn't they type "to force a knockout like Hearns..." and that "I have learned to live with that". Don't forget Wlad still has a higher KO% than Lewis, so Wlad's legacy is safe in that respect. 84% KO (which will probably go up) is damn good for a "boring" fighter. I am not going to have this debate, look at what Wlad can do in a boxing ring, and then look at how boring his fights are. There is no excuse...he is not the fighter he was in 2004-05. Wlad's legacy in your eyes might be secure, but I am telling you he will only get universal acceptance when he starts producing more exciting performances. KO % matter **** Haye had a 90% ko ratio, manny pacquiao has like 60% ko ratio, now out of the 3 I know who I would rather watch. Wladimir has had many...many fights and ko's against bums. He needs to step up the aggression and be the fighter I know he can be. He needs to show more punch variety and combinations everyone knows he has them.

Neither fought that ballsy,if wlad threw more combso he would have got more back from haye,it works both ways. wlad threw more and landed more,but wasnt adventerous. haye landed soem good punches. wlads retreating and blocking stopped haye landing more. you go and fight someone with 30 pounds extra on them who is also skilled and cautious. The thing is Wlad did what he always does, it was Gayevid who was supposed to be someone different and do something different, especially from his pre-fight talk. Gayevid kept on yammering how Wlad is "jab, jab, grab" and how he won't let Wlad do that to him, and that is exactly how Wlad did it, although Gayevid was right in one respect - he didn't let Wlad grab him, he just fell to the floor every time even a whiff of a clinch came. All in all, nothing surprising from Wlad, his usual dominating self, controlling every minute of the fight, working behind the jab, and stepping back when in danger. It was Gayevid who needed to bring something no other opponent ever brought against Wlad, to bring back the Sanders II version in there, but he instead punked out. I expected Gayevid to lose, but I didn't expect him to punk out. All that bravado, and he was a vagina in the ring, and then blamed his little pinky toe on top of it. The Excusemaker should be ashamed of himself.

Whaaaaaat? Have you ever seen Wlad fight? His whole career he has NEVER punched to the body, has been a head hunter his whole career. I respect Wladimir a tonne. Not going to the body (and I know his height and 'fighting tall' has something to do with it) seems to be a bit of a flaw in his style. Mind you, I know he is an extraordinary boxer and athlete. I always root for Wladimir, but I would like to see him mix it up to the body a little.

No but sometimes you have to open your opponent up and take some more risks, Haye didn't use his legs as much as you are making out, Wlad just wasn't throwing because Haye was almost always in a position to counter, and wlad did not want to risk an exchange. I am not cricising him, but to become the superstar he wants to worldwide he has to produce more exciting fights and action even if he leaves himself open. The way he fights does not capture the imagination, he has a winning formula but he needs to tweak that a little and become more exciting, or people will not remember him for the great fighter that he is, they will remember him as being a boring fighter, which is a shame. Maybe Haye wasn't the right fight, but from now on he needs to really step it up and destroy his opponents within 6-7 rounds, not pick away at them until the latter rounds, it is not good enough! Wlad is making excuses and so is Steward, Haye was in range on awful lot and he was just as hesitant as ever. It was like the excuses Roach and Khan were making about McCloskey, it is up to Khan to find the openings, but they both complained about how defensive he was. Thing is I will let Khan off because he just came off the fight of the year. I would like to see Wlad step up, I think he has it in him he proved his chin against Haye to a certain extent. Actually Steward was not making excuses for Wlad, he said that he wasn't they type "to force a knockout like Hearns..." and that "I have learned to live with that". Don't forget Wlad still has a higher KO% than Lewis, so Wlad's legacy is safe in that respect. 84% KO (which will probably go up) is damn good for a "boring" fighter.

So you wanted him to do something different for the first time ever in 20+ years of boxing all of a sudden and throw out his winning formula? just ignore the troll he's still very sore from the lost, much like david's little toe lol

Neither fought that ballsy,if wlad threw more combso he would have got more back from haye,it works both ways. wlad threw more and landed more,but wasnt adventerous. haye landed soem good punches. wlads retreating and blocking stopped haye landing more. you go and fight someone with 30 pounds extra on them who is also skilled and cautious.

So you wanted him to do something different for the first time ever in 20+ years of boxing all of a sudden and throw out his winning formula? No but sometimes you have to open your opponent up and take some more risks, Haye didn't use his legs as much as you are making out, Wlad just wasn't throwing because Haye was almost always in a position to counter, and wlad did not want to risk an exchange. I am not cricising him, but to become the superstar he wants to worldwide he has to produce more exciting fights and action even if he leaves himself open. The way he fights does not capture the imagination, he has a winning formula but he needs to tweak that a little and become more exciting, or people will not remember him for the great fighter that he is, they will remember him as being a boring fighter, which is a shame. Maybe Haye wasn't the right fight, but from now on he needs to really step it up and destroy his opponents within 6-7 rounds, not pick away at them until the latter rounds, it is not good enough! Wlad is making excuses and so is Steward, Haye was in range on awful lot and he was just as hesitant as ever. It was like the excuses Roach and Khan were making about McCloskey, it is up to Khan to find the openings, but they both complained about how defensive he was. Thing is I will let Khan off because he just came off the fight of the year. I would like to see Wlad step up, I think he has it in him he proved his chin against Haye to a certain extent.

That was my point. So you wanted him to do something different for the first time ever in 20+ years of boxing all of a sudden and throw out his winning formula?

Im not an expert at scoring fights by no means. I will however trust experts opinions that David was dominated. I know jabs score, but whenever i saw Wlad jab, i dont really know if it connected, and i cant just give Wlad a point because he actually threw the punch. But whenever i see slow motion replays i am looking for the rare footage of Hayes head being snapped back by Wlads punches. THere isnt any footage out there it seems. Watch it again. Oh wait, you are British, never mind. In that case, you'll probably see a masterful performance by Gayevid, damn, if only that pinky toe was healthy, he would have dethroned Wald. Oh well... LOL But seriously, did you see slow motion replays of Gayevid trying to give Wlad a blow job almost 20 times? Until the ref got disguted by that blatant display and told The Excusemaker to cut it out with a standing 8 count.

Whaaaaaat? Have you ever seen Wlad fight? His whole career he has NEVER punched to the body, has been a head hunter his whole career. That was my point.