A rare video of Muhammad Ali fighting the best Soviet boxers in Moscow, 1978.

Basketball and football are not free in America you moron you have to pay for gear and uniform. Boxing clubs in inner city takes kids in for free turns them into fighters Sorry eastern europe took over HW boxing, our American boxers just don't have the genetics/work ethic to hang anymore. A little 6'1 fat weakling american with no amateur pedigree or brain cannot compete with superior eastern euro slavic 6'5+ genetic super athlete Yes they are free lmao now you're just talking out of your ass hahaha, the only time you have to pay for uniforms is when you join a summer league or enroll your child in a program that doesn't belong to a school. The school provides EVERYTHING, you don't have to spend a dime on sports when you're playing in school. The only thing you MIGHT have to pay for would be shoes but that's it, even then if the school knows you can't afford it they'll have a fund raiser in which the athletes must sell stuff like chocolate candy bars rarely will a team have to pay for shoes, or they'll get a sponsor. I played basketball in high school as well as my bro, I know these things. The helmets, jerseys, etc. are free. I live in a very poor city as well, so don't think the school I went to is rich or anything. There are only a handful of FREE boxing clubs in my city, and my city has a population of over 1 million. The only one I can think of off the top of my head would be San Fernando boxing gym, their gym and equipment are old as hell. Other gyms charge as much as $30.00 per month to $100.00. We've got all kinds of MMA gyms here as well. Yeah we don't have the genetics lmao. Like I said, the guys with the best genetics are playing basketball, football and other sports. I've got a friend that is 6'8 250lbs, he can bench over 350lbs and he's just 21 years old but he's a PITCHER in baseball. Our athletes are genetic freaks, look at the height of the guys playing college basketball, football etc. Here are the rosters for the college football teams in the NCAA, they have their height and weight, as you'll see the smallest guys on the team are usually 5'10. Almost all of these guys are 18-22 years old. http://espn.go.com/college-football/teams NCAA Basketball rosters: http://espn.go.com/college-football/teams Go ahead and click on any roster you'll want, it'll show their height and weights. 100% AMERICAN. lmao "poor genetics"

Basketball and football are not free in America you moron you have to pay for gear and uniform. Boxing clubs in inner city takes kids in for free turns them into fighters Sorry eastern europe took over HW boxing, our American boxers just don't have the genetics/work ethic to hang anymore. A little 6'1 fat weakling american with no amateur pedigree or brain cannot compete with superior eastern euro slavic 6'5+ genetic super athlete

this is the reason why he got parkinsons!!!!

All the good athletes in europe went to soccer/ Olympic wrestling, Olympic weight lifting, powerlifting, MMA, sambo That's funny you say all the USA talent is in basketball ( a homosexuals sport ), when who was the 2011 MVP???? Oh, a white european that's right! http://www.onemanfastbreak.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/nowitzki_mvp.jpg ***** please, like I said, explain the PROCESS in which they steal your athletes. I already explained to you how we literally have hundreds of thousands of kids/teens playing sports in our country. You have to want to go to the majority of those sports, where in America you are offered to join them for free. Nearly every single child in America attends school, MILLIONS of them are offered to play soccer, basketball, hockey, football, karate, mma, wrestling, soccer, track and field, swimming, gymnastics, the list goes on and on. The amount of participation in those sports you listed aren't **** compared to the % of participation in the sports over here. You must want to go out, find a gym, and PAY money to do MMA over there, power lifting, etc. Here in America it's totally different. Put it this way, if Wlad/Vitali were born in America they'd be playing football or basketball. Oh and congrats on having ONE white European Finals MVP in the history of the NBA lmao.

All the good athletes in europe went to soccer/ Olympic wrestling, Olympic weight lifting, powerlifting, MMA, sambo That's funny you say all the USA talent is in basketball ( a homosexuals sport ), when who was the 2011 MVP???? Oh, a white european that's right! http://www.onemanfastbreak.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/nowitzki_mvp.jpg How often does that happen?

boxing isnt popular in america? what?))) I guess its more popular in russia hahaha..ah. no point of debating, neither side will quit with peace

All the good athletes in europe went to soccer/ Olympic wrestling, Olympic weight lifting, powerlifting, MMA, sambo That's funny you say all the USA talent is in basketball ( a homosexuals sport ), when who was the 2011 MVP???? Oh, a white european that's right! http://www.onemanfastbreak.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/nowitzki_mvp.jpg

You are a known troll who has never left his homestate and if you ever go to europe you will probably sit in your hotel room and google the closest McDonalds. loool :haha:

These are a few months old but essentially accurate. The number of active heavyweight boxers per country: America- 425 Britain- 38 Canada- 35 Germany- 35 Ukraine-28 Russia- 25 New Zealand- 24 France- 16 Poland- 11 Cuba- 10 Uzbekistan- 9 Nigeria- 7 Italy-6 Bulgaria- 5 Finland- 4 and Combat Sambo, Kickboxing, MMA, Wrestling, Hockey, Rugby Weightlifting, etc take away from potenitial HW talent coming out of Eastern Europe and other parts of the world. Plus most of the sports listed are actual combat sports not homosexual basketball so a sucessful transition into boxing is more likely. Other sports exist outside of America but even guys like Stewart or Atlas are so bias and desperate that they can't grasp this. Perhaps one day you Americans can try enforcing affirmative action inside the ropes too so your boxer stand more of a chance. Until then just be silent and stop going out of your way to help prove the rest of the world correct when they say Americans are dumb by using your pitiful excuses. Look at the American HW boxing rankings: 1. Eddie Chambers-A bloated cruiser weight with no power or chin 2. Tony Thompson-No Speed, power, footwork, NOTHING. 39 years old 3. Arreola-Once again a fat ass lazy cruiser weight that just comes forward 4. Franklin Lawrence-Who? All I know is his last loss was a UD against McCall lmao, 35 years old 5. Holyfield-He's not even 1/4 of the fighter he used to be yet at 48 he's still beating people? Wow. 6. Boswell-41, his last loss was against McCline lol 7. Michael Grant-38 lol I'm just gonna stop here. Yeah American HW boxing is FILLED with talent, so much talent these guys dominate it hahaha. Weight lifting, Hockey, Kickboxing, MMA etc? America has ALL those except Rugby, we do have Football, Soccer, Basketball, Swimming, track and field, tennis, golf, ALL these sports are available to play in school too! Let me school your dumb ass on how America works. Nearly EVERY SINGLE child in America that attends school is exposed to sports unless they don't have it. What AGE do you think the majority of people start boxing? It's usually around 12 years old. It's pretty hard to get a 12 year old into boxing with so many other sports around them. Children here are presented options to play soccer, baseball, flag football, and basketball from the ages of 4-13, these are OUT OF SCHOOL activities by the way. Once they reach Middle school (It's Elementary from ages 4-11) that's when they're able to join a Basketball team their school has, a baseball team, a track team, a football team which has up to like 40 players on a single team, basketball it's usually 16 on a team, soccer I think 17 is the max. Those football, basketball, soccer, and baseball teams are then split up even more. You see there isn't just ONE team there are many. There are A and B teams, meaning they put the best players on the A team and then the worst players on B team. And yes the B team plays other B teams from other schools while the A team plays other A teams from other schools. The same thing happens in high school (ages 14-19), except it's divided even more! Instead of having just the A and B team, you've got the Freshman team (1st year) which is then split into the A/B team, after that you've got the Junior Varsity team and after that you've got the Varsity which is the best. This goes for all sports. Not only do we have those sports in school, we have them out of school! My brother is only 15 but he's 6'5, he tried boxing but didn't like it, he said basketball was more fun. So he wound up playing basketball full time after he stopped playing football. He is currently on summer vacation for 2 months, but guess what? He's still playing basketball! Yup, we have summer basketball/baseball/etc. leagues here in America, leagues that children, teens and even adults can participate in. You can walk wherever and you'll find a basketball court to play on, an open grass field to play football or soccer. Boxing isn't popular in America, the majority of fans only tune in to the big name fights. Out my school of over 2,000 people I never met another boxing fan, out of all the people that went to the school there are a total of 3 boxers there. You have to go out and WANT to box, nobody is going to ask you if you want to. Then you have to pay for it, get approval from your parents etc. Now go ahead and explain to me how those countries are stealing away your would be boxers like they are ours lmao. Like I said we're SURROUNDED by sports, there isn't another country like us when it comes to sports so don't even try to compare those countries to us.

It's common sense, no matter if these Eastern Europeans fanboys wants to admit it or not. You still see tons of Americans at the top of their respective divisions in the lower weights because there is a lot less sports that they can make a living in. Big Americans have a surplus of sports and getting punched in the face to make a living is certainly not on the top of it. These are a few months old but essentially accurate. The number of active heavyweight boxers per country: America- 425 Britain- 38 Canada- 35 Germany- 35 Ukraine-28 Russia- 25 New Zealand- 24 France- 16 Poland- 11 Cuba- 10 Uzbekistan- 9 Nigeria- 7 Italy-6 Bulgaria- 5 Finland- 4 and Combat Sambo, Kickboxing, MMA, Wrestling, Hockey, Rugby Weightlifting, etc take away from potenitial HW talent coming out of Eastern Europe and other parts of the world. Plus most of the sports listed are actual combat sports not homosexual basketball so a sucessful transition into boxing is more likely. Other sports exist outside of America but even guys like Stewart or Atlas are so bias and desperate that they can't grasp this. Perhaps one day you Americans can try enforcing affirmative action inside the ropes too so your boxer stand more of a chance. Until then just be silent and stop going out of your way to help prove the rest of the world correct when they say Americans are dumb by using your pitiful excuses.

Can't people understand there's a difference between patriotism and nationalism? You can be proud of your own nations achievements without seeing it as proof of your nations genetic or cultural superiority. If Carl Froch beats Andre Ward it doesn't mean British fighters are better than American fighers. It doesn't mean that White-Europeans are superior to African-Americans. It means Carl Froch is better than Andre Ward.

The fall of American boxing is due to many factors. The main one being that other sports have taken over America, out of the other countries around the world America has the most athletes by far. All of America's would be boxers are playing football, basketball, baseball, etc. It's not hard to figure out why there are no more good American HW's (it has affected the HW divison the most).

Thanks for the vid man.

Adamek ruled CW anyways The same Adamek that lost to the American Chad Dawson?

they have pretty much the same genes but a few centuries of constant invasion, communism, poverty, etc will make your young men tougher that's the great irony about the world, its natural to do your best to give your children spoiled comfortable lives, even though you know it will make them into tolerant bisexual rap music fans who get beat up by macho russian immigrants The vast majority of American Whites are Western European in origin. There is a huge genetic variance between the two as they are on opposite sides of the continent and have had very little interaction with eachother especially in the last one and a half millenia when proto-nation states started to emerge. They're probably about as varied as you can get while still belonging to the same racial group. The most predominant Y-Chromosone haplogroup amongst Slavic people is the R1a1a subbranch of the R1a haplogoup. Here is a map of it's distribution. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/R1a1a_distribution.png/800px-R1a1a_distribution.png

heres a video from 2000 olympics heavyweight weightlifting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOISTxITGSw well, you guys get the idea. slavic pride...

You just for cited a source that basically proved my point, and you're still trying to argue? LMAO. Yeah, divisions are all of a sudden "dead" when a nationality you don't like is at the top of it. But when a division is ruled by a person that is of a nationality that you find favorable, all of a sudden it's filled with all time greats that would've ruled past eras with ease. :owned2: lmao....owned

look at this ****ing monster. http://i.imgur.com/PmGKv.jpg these guys are going to dominate mma in the near future.

heres a list of olympic amateur wrestling champions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_and_Olympic_Champions_in_men%27s_freestyle_wrestling the furthest to the right is the hw champions.

Slavs are the best HW athletes in the world. They are bigger and stronger on average than any other race. This is not just a boxing phenomenon. Take a look at MMA, the best HW fighter of all time is Russian Fedor Emilianenko. The biggest HW fight in the history of MMA was between a Croatian (Cro Cop) and a Russian (Fedor). Now take a look at the top 10 HW MMA prospects here: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/4/7/2095594/guram-gugenishvili-world-mma-heavyweight-scouting-report-1 its the same story.