one great aspect of Pac other than his speed and power are his legs. when on point, his footwork is senstional which allows him to move in and out and create angles to hit fighters.
what im afraid is after the Mosley fight, that his legs are becoming shot. I didnt see the same explosiveness as i saw during the Margarito, Cotto fights. he wasnt darting in and out and controlling the pace, he was relying on chasing Mosley down and blitz him with combinations. if he plans to beat Floyd, he can only win with his legs. Dart in and around Mayweathers jab, get in lands combos and get out. and if he has to chase Floyd smartly he needs his footspeed to be at best to get into a good pace to disarm Floyd.
so what do you think? you think Pacs legs are gone? i think so, we will know more in November, i hope it isnt the case. but its a real possiblity.
I wouldn't base the conclusion that Manny's legs are gone based on his lack of in and out vs Shame.
After all, Shame Mosley was constantly back pedaling. Pacquiao's in and out motion works best him stationary fighters, or ones that come to him. Fighting against someone backpedaling, Pacquiao has to come in more of a direct line and constantly move forward.
An additional consideration is that Manny actually likes to fight toe-to-toe with these guys- especially a Shame Mosley who made such a big deal of his power and one punch ability. Same with the Cotto fight.
he said he had stiffness in his calf, plus its hard to show great footwork when all youve got to do is follow around a fighter that wont engage with you
when he said that he also added a part that you left out. He said that he has stiffness in his calves in that fight and that "it has been happening more and more lately." i.e. his legs are becoming shot, he's growing old
one great aspect of Pac other than his speed and power are his legs. when on point, his footwork is senstional which allows him to move in and out and create angles to hit fighters.
what im afraid is after the Mosley fight, that his legs are becoming shot. I didnt see the same explosiveness as i saw during the Margarito, Cotto fights. he wasnt darting in and out and controlling the pace, he was relying on chasing Mosley down and blitz him with combinations. if he plans to beat Floyd, he can only win with his legs. Dart in and around Mayweathers jab, get in lands combos and get out. and if he has to chase Floyd smartly he needs his footspeed to be at best to get into a good pace to disarm Floyd.
so what do you think? you think Pacs legs are gone? i think so, we will know more in November, i hope it isnt the case. but its a real possiblity.
he looked like shit because his opponent refused to fight and he got bored, simple as that
no....i admire warriors like pac and despise cowards like floyd....
really? because i've seen you disrespect numerous other boxers for calling out Pacquiao
Pac dropped Mosley (2nd fighter ever to do that) and made him run for his life (1st fighter to ever do that) and you say his legs are gone?
This is why your theories aren't published.
He fought the same way against Barrera the second time and people cried the same thing. It was just a subpar performance, it happens. He's not past his prime imo.
His legs are fine. I do think Pac's window is closing. He's still in great form as of now though. Mosley just fought defensive and negative. Floyd himself could be slowing down. Mosley wasn't the man to test either guy. It's too bad it took 24 rounds for people to notice.
He's had leg issues the last 3 fights or so, went to the hospital during the Margarito or Clottey fight for it. He says he's going to hire a masseuse to work on it for his next camp. As long as the pain isn't an issue in the ring, wouldn't say his legs are gone, his last camp he looked as mobile and explosive as ever.
Now Floyd... that boy's legs are gone.
I don't think his legs are shot I just think he's tired of chasing his opponents. think man think.
If his legs were gone it would have shown up in camp and in the public workouts.
i was actually one of few here who thought Marquez fighting at Pac at 144 was bull****. It would been at least fair at 140 or 138 which Pac can clearly still make. But Pac fights better IMO, in saying he can follow a gameplan better and knows how to use his weapons better. Pacs success at the higher weights has been his legs clearly. Without it hed lose. Do i think Marquez will get destroyed? if im wrong about his legs going then yeah he will at this stage and weight. But even with bad legs hell get stopped, hes just not effective at 144, and is too slow and not built to handle power like that. Thats my reasoning, not the typical Marquez sucks reason. Doesnt help hes just getting older with more wars on his belt. But goodluck on the bet. Hope you come through, had a 10k to 1mil bet with Burner having Martinez clearly beating Williams which he never paid.
Yes yes, I've heard all of the stuff about his legs going before. Especially after Barrera knocked him down. I wouldn't stop hearing it. His legs are clearly not what they used to be, but at the same time though there not completely and utterly shot like everyone makes it out to be.
Also the weight isn't gonna be an issue. The reason why Marquez looked so slow is because he didn't put the weight on properly. He ate his way up. Not only add to the fact he was fighting Floyd...Now he has a full 5 months to gain weight properly. BHop moved up from MW to LHW at 41 years old using the proper steps and looked so good at LHW. Marquez can do the same, he just has to it properly like he said he will.
BTW If somehow the universe made Marquez turn into a turtle overnight and he gets finished in 1 round. PM Me. I pay off all my bets.
no. they just wont let pac fight floyd like theyve been doing
floyds coward ass aint gonna fight pac ever even if his daddys life depended on it....//they dont call him a coward for no reason....
;10796078']I've been watching Pac since 01. He has the same linear style he had back then right now. All he did was got bigger and added a few more weapons like a right hand. Thanks for bringing up the Cotto fight. Cotto was running near the ropes, Mosley was running around the center of the ring. See the difference buckeroo?
I can't change your opinion. Obviously you're following the rest of the pack saying "Marquez will get destroyed" yada yada. I heard all that sh!t before. None of it happened. Goodluck on the bet partner. I'ma have a big ego boost come November 12th.
i was actually one of few here who thought Marquez fighting at Pac at 144 was bull****. It would been at least fair at 140 or 138 which Pac can clearly still make. But Pac fights better IMO, in saying he can follow a gameplan better and knows how to use his weapons better. Pacs success at the higher weights has been his legs clearly. Without it hed lose. Do i think Marquez will get destroyed? if im wrong about his legs going then yeah he will at this stage and weight. But even with bad legs hell get stopped, hes just not effective at 144, and is too slow and not built to handle power like that. Thats my reasoning, not the typical Marquez sucks reason. Doesnt help hes just getting older with more wars on his belt. But goodluck on the bet. Hope you come through, had a 10k to 1mil bet with Burner having Martinez clearly beating Williams which he never paid.
;10796059']A young Marquez got dropped 3 times.
An older Marquez got dropped once.
What happened? Did Marquez start drinking piss in 08? It seems to be working. Considering how earlier in his career, he's gotten knocked down way more times than he does now. That piss is magic.
on the first fight , jmm was able to win 6 rounds....in the 2nd fight 5, thats being generous to jmm....sure he did'nt get dropped a lot more coz he was smarter but he did'nt win more rounds in the 2nd fight than he did in the first....this time, pac kills him