How Does Martinez Matchup In These 10 Big Fights?

1- Sturm -- Sturm has some skills and I believe has a strength advantage. I think it'd be a great fight, a good mix of styles. However Martinez is just on top of his game and has too much movement. He has a great mixup of punching angles and pop to keep Sturm at bay. I say a close UD in Martinez's favor. 2- Kirkland -- Kirkland is just not in his league right now. Kirkland has no defense and only knows one way to move. I think this fight would be over in about 6-8 rounds. 3- Winky -- Winky hasn't shown anything in a few years. He's inactive and he'd be coming off a 12 round pummeling from PWilly. I think Winky's jab and defense would frustrate Martinez, but Martinez will be busy enough to make this a boring 12 round decision. 4-Pirog -- I see nothing special out of this guy, and based on his last performance, I think his Jacobs performance was an aberration and not the norm. I see Martinez out hustling him for a 12 round UD. 5- Cotto -- Since I'm assuming this would also be at MW, I think Cotto presses the fight with his accuracy and timing but gets worn out and KO'd in the later rounds as the added weight and keeping pace with Martinez gets the better of him. 6- Abraham -- Flat footed and now only gearing up for the big punch. Abraham would be badly outboxed and and frustrated at his opponent. Martinez wouldn't KO him because Abes beard is still top notch. A good UD in Martinez's favor with alot of good action. 7-Taylor -- Several years ago, this would have been pretty epic...now, even at 80%, it'd be sad. 8-Williams -- Take the second fight, sprinkle in some of the fireworks and magic these two produced in the first fight, and you'll get the outcome of the third fight. 9-Pac at 154 -- Pac isn't built for 154, he said so himself. This is a one sided beatdown from a guy who can match Pac's speed (not as much, but close enough) and has enough power to put him down with zinging body shots. 10-Floyd at 154 -- Floyd has the skills, but doesn't seem to have the legs. He doesn't have the power to hurt Martinez and I think Martinez would overwhelm him with movement and power. Floyd won't get KOd, but I think a good MD/SD is what I'd go with. Floyd can't be so inactive and come back older and less mobile and get a win. Sheesh, now looking at these...I don't even think Martinez will last that much longer with his style, however I believe the only ones here who would give him problems and perhaps win, even though I wouldn't bet it would be Abraham, Cotto and Mayweather.

Really? Abraham? I wouldnt pick him over Gamboa at this point. Serg kills him from the 5th round on. My first line say that he beats them all. But I wouldn't think that AA is a walk in the park fight especially from a guy that was fighting top level SMW

I'd favor him over everyone he runs through them all with the exception of Floyd and Abraham they might give some problems but i'd still put my money on Maravilla

I think he beats them all besides maybe the last two (Pacquiao and Mayweather), but he does have a style that could give even them problems

IMO he beats them all. Abraham can give him problems cause he is a strong physical guy that can muscle him around and have the punchers chance Sturm is an accurate puncher and might be a harder fight than expected Floyd is a defensive fast counterpuncher and might make it a long dull fight

Martinez likes to throw from his hips. Even when he fires in a normal way his one shot punches arent as fast as people make them out to be. I mean especially when Paul Williams was matching his handspeed constantly. Martinez puts his hands together well in combos but for someone to say hes just as fast as Mayweather is funny. All that I meant is that because Martinez throws his punches from his waist, he gets different angles that other boxers are not used to, so it's harder for them to see the punches coming. He may not be faster, but he's still fast and with the angles he uses it's even harder for some guys to see the punches coming, sometimes even harder than when fighting against a faster guy but with a traditional stance.

The main difference between for example Pac's hand speed and Martinez hand speed is the way they throw the punches. Pac has a more traditional stance and guard, while Martinez fights with his hands down and throw punches from a lot of different angles. Martinez likes to throw from his hips. Even when he fires in a normal way his one shot punches arent as fast as people make them out to be. I mean especially when Paul Williams was matching his handspeed constantly. Martinez puts his hands together well in combos but for someone to say hes just as fast as Mayweather is funny.

not throughout his career, that's not what I said, just compared to the oscar that fought floyd. sergio's wasn't really a factor in his fights pre-dizzy, but its obviously a new tool in his arsenal. Rewatch the Bunema fight. He dominated him with the same jab he used to dominate Dizzy with. I think we just got used to not seeing him use the jab because it's hard to use it against the giants that are Williams and Pavlik.

The bolded is nowhere near true. Martinez isnt faster than Floyd, Pac, Khan, judah or even Berto. Hes just not. The main difference between for example Pac's hand speed and Martinez hand speed is the way they throw the punches. Pac has a more traditional stance and guard, while Martinez fights with his hands down and throw punches from a lot of different angles.

I dont see why not. Remember we're talking about a guy that's more active, just as fast hand and foot wise, bigger, longer, etc. Sure slower, smaller, easily discouraged guys haven't come close to outpointing floyd. Sergio is not that. Plus a kd or ko is not out of the question, he almost went down from a straight right from Shane. floyd could get a kd on sergio as well, who is subject to flash kd's. The bolded is nowhere near true. Martinez isnt faster than Floyd, Pac, Khan, judah or even Berto. Hes just not.

Judah was not stronger than Mayweather, not more powerful. Yes, he has one punch KO power but he wasn't more powerful, wasn't stronger, isn't slick. Terrible comparison so I'm glad you know :lol1:. Floyd has never fought anyone like Martinez. In that same breath Martinez hasnt seen anything like what will be standing across from him if he fights Mayweather.

there's no opponent in floyd's resume that you can use to gauge what floyd can do against martinez. hardcore floyd fans are always saying floyd's skills and smarts will make the difference. well, those skills and smarts have never been tested at a level where martinez is at so how can you really gauge what difference will it make? martinez may not be as skillful as floyd but with his size advantage and his MW power, that's more than enough to make floyd think twice and fight more defensively than what he did against baldomir and a past prime dela hoya. with that in mind i actually think floyd will fight tentatively and that will somewhat mess up his fight plan. what more if martinez actually begin to land his punches on floyd? floyd will get hurt for sure and how is he going to react to something he's never experienced in the ring before? and floyd doesn't have the power to really bother martinez. i actually think floyd will not totally commit offensively against martinez being on defensive mode all the time and that will somewhat lessen the impact of his punches especially when he's constantly retreating. martinez by ud or late round stoppage. don't even think floyd will step up to fight martinez anyway so...:tapedshut

Completely agreed, and the same goes the other way. I feel like Sergio would try to box Floyd, and I can't see him beating Floyd in a boxing match, just not the way you beat Mayweather. It's funny you say that because I remember everyone used to say the same about Roy Jones. You can't outbox him, you have to take it to him. Well...his career was marred by struggles against patient counterpunchers and it was a tall, powerful lefty counterpuncher that stripped him of his cloak of invincibility. Martinez won't have to box Floyd so much as Floyd would have to be the aggressor, giving Martinez all the openings he'll need.

The ko can happen,credit to Floyd if he last,which I doubt he will.But yes Martinez can outpoint Floyd.He's just as fast,bigger,stronger & has amazing ring IQ. Yes it is,Jab isn't bigger,or more powerful. No need to harp on this at all because it just isn't relative to our discussion. But yes Zab was bigger on fight night when they fought from a weight stand point, and I would absolutely say he has better one punch power than Floyd. We can agree to disagree. Like I said to ImDazed though, I think Sergio would try to box Floyd and I just don't see him beating Floyd in a boxing match. I think Martinez is absolutely the most difficult matchup of anyone Floyd could face. If he adjusted a few things ie, keep his hands high, utilize the jab more, and be much more physical I think he could be an even worse matchup for Floyd. If he goes in and just tries to box him though I think he's playing right into Mayweather's strength.

Judah was not stronger than Mayweather, not more powerful. Yes, he has one punch KO power but he wasn't more powerful, wasn't stronger, isn't slick. Terrible comparison so I'm glad you know :lol1:. Floyd has never fought anyone like Martinez. Completely agreed, and the same goes the other way. I feel like Sergio would try to box Floyd, and I can't see him beating Floyd in a boxing match, just not the way you beat Mayweather.

I completely agree with everything you've said here, BUT here's my thing. Unless you think Sergio is going to KO or TKO Floyd, which it doesn't sound like you're suggesting, you believe that Sergio will land more quality meaningful punches than Floyd? Barring any knockdowns I just have a VERY hard time seeing Sergio land more scoring punches than Floyd. Thoughts? The ko can happen,credit to Floyd if he last,which I doubt he will.But yes Martinez can outpoint Floyd.He's just as fast,bigger,stronger & has amazing ring IQ. Zab Judah. Terrible example but just answering your question. Yes it is,Jab isn't bigger,or more powerful.

Zab Judah. Terrible example but just answering your question. Judah was not stronger than Mayweather, not more powerful. Yes, he has one punch KO power but he wasn't more powerful, wasn't stronger, isn't slick. Terrible comparison so I'm glad you know :lol1:. Floyd has never fought anyone like Martinez.

When was the last time Floyd fought someone bigger, more powerful, yet slick and fast while a lefty to boot? Zab Judah. Terrible example but just answering your question.

Could be said for just about every one of Floyd's opponents. When was the last time Floyd fought someone bigger, more powerful, yet slick and fast while a lefty to boot?

I completely agree with everything you've said here, BUT here's my thing. Unless you think Sergio is going to KO or TKO Floyd, which it doesn't sound like you're suggesting, you believe that Sergio will land more quality meaningful punches than Floyd? Barring any knockdowns I just have a VERY hard time seeing Sergio land more scoring punches than Floyd. Thoughts? I dont see why not. Remember we're talking about a guy that's more active, just as fast hand and foot wise, bigger, longer, etc. Sure slower, smaller, easily discouraged guys haven't come close to outpointing floyd. Sergio is not that. Plus a kd or ko is not out of the question, he almost went down from a straight right from Shane. floyd could get a kd on sergio as well, who is subject to flash kd's.