Klitschko, is the best heavyweight ever... LMAO!!!!!!!

Because we havent seen a HW like him before with the skills? People who say oh (XX Fighter) Will beat him 4 sure, cuz he aint black! Nobody knows, tell me last time there were HW champions who unified all the titles, maintaining one of the highest KO% of HW history and reign for so many years with so many title defences? Huh? Tell me a true HW, dont tell me a blown up CW or a guy who was fighting 180 pounders. We havent seen this level of domination in a long time, a few come and are exciting but they dont last, they fade away. + Vitali has the record of beating the MOST UNDEFEATED TRUE HW's. Vitali has took more 0's than Lewis,Tyson,+ others. Wlad is tied with Tyson btw with same amount. Wlad has boxed more True HW rounds than any other True HW in history. Vitali has never been defeated legitly, he has lost less than 10 rounds in his entire career while maintaining the highest KO%. But they aint black so they suck You make a lot of great points and I agree with you on most things. Just would like to point out: It doesnt matter if someone is a "blown up CW" in your opinion or not, it doesnt make them less of a HW legend. You cant just write off the Joe Louis' and Rocky Marcianos of history because they were smaller.

I'd say Wlad is one of the best for sure. His size combined with his great athleticism is hard to ignore in all time comparisons. He definitely isn't one of the toughest of all time though, and that is really the only knock against him.

A "loss" where he got stopped does not **** on years of dominance and lineal title. And, he has an "L" against Byrd...And, a deserved "L" against Byrd because he quit. Who came back to stop Byrd? It wasn't Vitaly...Fact is Vitaly does not hold a "W" against Byrd...It was Wladimir who stopped Byrd not once but twice. And, no make believe fantasy match ups...Is not a huge factor in ranking greatness. Hell real life H2H match ups...Plays a minimal role to ranking greatness. Let alone make belief fights. Resume and accomplishments are the main factors...And, Wlad resume and accomplishments ****s over Vitaly resume and accomplishments. Yeah technically he got stopped but a freak cut where he was winning is not the same as getting tkod or just outclassed and you know that. Those years of dominance you refer to are not over a much better class of fighter than what Vitaly fought so even though Wlad has the better resume its not by much and is affected by the injury. You're right about Byrd i got confused with Wlads second win over him. Please explain to me what part of Wlads resume ****s on Vitalys? Which fighter or fighters is enough to truly **** on Vitalys resume? Also fantasy atg ratings dont have a set criteria so a fantasy head to head match up isnt as ridiculous as you make it sound being that these are fantasy rankings that are mostly opinion.

Vitaly was winning the fight and wanted to continue,yeah it still was a loss but that effort ****s on Wlads entire hw resume and if it was Wlad he would have been stopped. As far as the Byrd fight where he quit due to the injury he was dominating and came back to stop Byrd. When ranking atg status who would win in a head to head plays a huge part and their resumes arent that far apart to make that a non issue. A "loss" where he got stopped does not **** on years of dominance and lineal title. And, he has an "L" against Byrd...And, a deserved "L" against Byrd because he quit. Who came back to stop Byrd? It wasn't Vitaly...Fact is Vitaly does not hold a "W" against Byrd...It was Wladimir who stopped Byrd not once but twice. And, no make believe fantasy match ups...Is not a huge factor in ranking greatness. Hell real life H2H match ups...Plays a minimal role to ranking greatness. Let alone make belief fights. Resume and accomplishments are the main factors...And, Wlad resume and accomplishments ****s over Vitaly resume and accomplishments.

Hard to say how he would do against X fighter who is old and doesn't fight anymore but Wlad is pretty damn good regardless of how you think he stacks up against great fighters from the past. How do you think Wlad at his best does against Vitaly at his best?

No the Lewis fight does not trump anything Wlad has done...Vitaly has an official and legit "L" can't count that as a win...When he quit...I have never seen anybody get so much of a pass for quitting. But, that's beyond the point. Resume and accomplishments...Are the main factors in ranking greatness. Winning make believe fantasy H2H match up is not even a consideration when ranking greatness. Vitaly was winning the fight and wanted to continue,yeah it still was a loss but that effort ****s on Wlads entire hw resume and if it was Wlad he would have been stopped. As far as the Byrd fight where he quit due to the injury he was dominating and came back to stop Byrd. When ranking atg status who would win in a head to head plays a huge part and their resumes arent that far apart to make that a non issue.

Vitaly's fight with Lennox even in a loss trumps everything Wlad has done. Also Vitaly has Arreola,Peter,Corrie Sanders(made Wlad his *****) and Chris Byrd. Wlads resume is a bit better but i dont see anyone on there who would even trouble Vitaly. When ranking greatness resume isnt the only factor. No the Lewis fight does not trump anything Wlad has done...Vitaly has an official and legit "L" can't count that as a win...When he quit...I have never seen anybody get so much of a pass for quitting. But, that's beyond the point. Resume and accomplishments...Are the main factors in ranking greatness. Winning make believe fantasy H2H match up is not even a consideration when ranking greatness.

That's all fine and dandy...But, that has nothing to do with ranking all time greatness. Wlad resume and accomplishments are far superior than Vitaly. Vitaly's fight with Lennox even in a loss trumps everything Wlad has done. Also Vitaly has Arreola,Peter,Corrie Sanders(made Wlad his *****) and Chris Byrd. Wlads resume is a bit better but i dont see anyone on there who would even trouble Vitaly. When ranking greatness resume isnt the only factor.

Vitaly imo is the better fighter and would win in a head to head match up. That's all fine and dandy...But, that has nothing to do with ranking all time greatness. Wlad resume and accomplishments are far superior than Vitaly.

Wlad has a case but I don't see how Vitaly does... And, no Lewis resume and accomplishments are far superior than Vitaly. Vitaly imo is the better fighter and would win in a head to head match up.

They have a stoing case to be considered in the top 15-20 hw's of all time. They are beating everyone who is infront of them and also making good for their oppenets it is not right to judge them and say the division sucks this and that. If Lewis can go down as an all time great so can Wlad and Vitali Wlad has a case but I don't see how Vitaly does... And, no Lewis resume and accomplishments are far superior than Vitaly.

They have a stoing case to be considered in the top 15-20 hw's of all time. They are beating everyone who is infront of them and also making good for their oppenets it is not right to judge them and say the division sucks this and that. If Lewis can go down as an all time great so can Wlad and Vitali I meant they are making their opponenets good money deffinately not ownage slave **** like don king

They have a stoing case to be considered in the top 15-20 hw's of all time. They are beating everyone who is infront of them and also making good for their oppenets it is not right to judge them and say the division sucks this and that. If Lewis can go down as an all time great so can Wlad and Vitali

sucks the klits werent around in the 90s. theyd have more losses but i bet theyd be more popular in the US and would made great fights with prime Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe and others. the possiblities..

No, he's not the best HW ever, but top 10-14 as you say is a really great acomplishment, the guy is among the best HWs of all time, I'm sure Wlad is proud.

Why have there been so many posts " Klitschko is the best. " Trust me, anyone who has seen a Lennox Lewis Vs. Vitali Klitschko fight would disagree. I like watching the Klitschko brothers. If he is number one..... ( PS: HE IS NOT ) Lets see how they match up with these guys. Lennox Lewis? Evander Holyfield? Riddick Bowe? Muhhamad Ali? Even A few uprising boxers may defeat them one day.:. Alexander Povetkin? ( MAYBE later in carreer ) Robert Helenius? ( MAYBE later in career ) Chris Arreola? ( MAYBE ) Exactly, Klitschko is top 10-14 maybe. :cool2::cool2::cool2::cool2: Are u High ?

Why have there been so many posts " Klitschko is the best. " There are couple of Haye fans, masquerading as Klitshko fans, who make these threads. Haye fans are very easy to trace -- they are dumb as fukc.

lol at ending argument with top 10-14.

Lennox Lewis? I'm assuming you looked at the record and didn't watch the fight. Vitali dominated him and retired him. Comparing them to Ali isn't fair, Ali could beat anyone in his prime. (note: he was in prison during his prime) Holyfield would be a good fight but I think either of the Klitschkos could beat him. The brothers aren't the best boxers but they are extremely athletic and conditioned, more so than many fighters of all eras. I think they are both within 15-25 ATG

:lol1: @ KO% When guys start mentioning KO% it means they have no argument for their agenda/point.