Be real, Give wlad his just dues, not over or less

Wlad is not top 5 p4p anything...the man can't even through an upper cut, right hook or any punch to the body. But he did beat Haye so congrats to him. RING magazine and BoxRec (among others) disagree with you.

wlad is not a counterpuncher who doesn't know that? he took the initiative IMO because haye just stood in front of him clueless. and he started to throw his right more often after 8th or so,when he saw haye is a no-delivery. i have to give props to haye for taking the hits but that's not how you win a match. i still dont get what you meant with your "it's a bad joke when wlad has to take the iniative" wlad didn't land a single right in the 8th, and haye could have easily been givin the round due to his body punching

is this a joke? after 12 rounds he expected that "other" haye? he never once commited himself, mister im gonna severely punish him then brutally ko him wlad has never been a counterpuncher, so i dont know where you are going with "wlad shouldn't have had to take the iniative"act same shtwlad is not a counterpuncher who doesn't know that? he took the initiative IMO because haye just stood in front of him clueless. and he started to throw his right more often after 8th or so,when he saw haye is a no-delivery. i have to give props to haye for taking the hits but that's not how you win a match.

I see threads proclaiming wlat to be the best heavyweight, I see threads saying he is a top 5 heavy atg, I see threads saying haye did not try, I see threads saying haye was a nothing win Why is there no middle ground on this forum This was a very good win for wlad, No this does not make him the best or an atg heavyweight, 1 very good win does not do that. You are only good as the guys you beat, I think wlad deserves all the credit in the world and this is coming from a huge haye fans, all though I found his Toe excuse rather annoying. Time to clear up myths for those saying haye came for a pay check, get a reality check, he threw huge bombs in the first two-three rounds, wlad said that but he landed very little because every time haye threw, not only did he had to reach out far, wlad also took 1-2 steps back AND also waved the punches like khan did vs maidana This made hayes shots landed very loosely, he never connected flush until the third and twelth round, I though haye was going to knock wlad out when he landed in the 12th, he was hurt for sure but wlad had a plan for everything. If he got hurt, he grabbed and made sure Haye could not throw, the ref was a piece of trash and everyone knows that, he was stewards puppet sadly The next myth is that Haye was defensive, again what you people fail to realise is haye looked defensive because wlad made him look like it, his defence was that good as I explained above that haye was landing very little, this made haye throw less and look for the openings, haye had the wrong game plan and wlad had the perfect plan Nobody is giving wlad credit for making haye look like he was in 2nd gear Another myth of haye running all night, those who say that, just never watch boxing again, fighting on the back foot is not running. Myth that wlad jab jab and grabbed, he only grabbed when haye landed on him came in close, mayweather and hatton did that. Mayweather would have got knocked out if he didnt grab against mosley. Wlad did the same, he would have probably got knocked out if he let haye hit him and not grab him What does this win do for Wlad It should certainly put him behind Pac and Mayweather as the number 3 p4p, possibly 4th but that is debatable, that is all it should do It does not make wlad the only good heavy picking on bums, it does not make him the best ever, it makes him a class heavyweight How he will be defined when he retires is still to be seen as he is in his prime right now If he wants to increase his rankings, he needs to be smart, help build up haye again and then promise him a fight, if he wins his stock rises, there arent any good heavies bar haye and the brothers who are fit and proper fighters Wlad deserves all the credit in the world, not over the top, not under, he proved his class and is top 5 p4p thats what the fight did for him I made this thread because I promised freedom I would give wlad his dues, I dont care about the other klit fans who have been running it good post mate...

wlad fought defensively because he expected a different kind of haye in the ring. and that haye never appeared in the ring, he stayed in that locker room lennox was standing at for 15 minutes. to me it's a bad joke that a boxer like wlad had to take theinitiative many times. is this a joke? after 12 rounds he expected that "other" haye? he never once commited himself, mister im gonna severely punish him then brutally ko him he did fukk all too, plz stop wlad has never been a counterpuncher, so i dont know where you are going with "wlad shouldn't have had to take the iniative" never seen him fight before? he wasn't doin nothin, little jab with his head lean back, with all that reach and size still fightin scared, he said he'd get a ko, haye said he'd get a ko instead they both fought exactly how they always fight, yet haye is the only one getting shtted on, honestly i dont give a fukk, i just wanna alert you that you're exposing yourself as an idiot when you blame only one guy but not the otehr who did the exact same sht

look at the bias, haye has to overcommit himself but wlad doesn't have to do sht did people not notice wlad jabbing with his head already leaned back? the man wasn't commiting to anything it's aight for wlad to fight like a pus but haye has to bullrush in like an idiot and take getting leaned on when he gets on the inside i wish people would get some common sense and realise haye's best chance of beating wlad was making wlad come to him and countering him throwing the first punch wouldn't have gotten him anywhere wlad fought defensively because he expected a different kind of haye in the ring. and that haye never appeared in the ring, he stayed in that locker room lennox was standing at for 15 minutes. to me it's a bad joke that a boxer like wlad had to take theinitiative many times.

wlad, undefeated since 2004. undisputed, unified champ. nuff said. if he was american he would be an "atg" im british, i dont care, for me wlad is a hall of famer!!!!! anyone who disagrees can go suck off david haye!!!!!!!!

look at the bias, haye has to overcommit himself but wlad doesn't have to do sht did people not notice wlad jabbing with his head already leaned back? the man wasn't commiting to anything it's aight for wlad to fight like a pus but haye has to bullrush in like an idiot and take getting leaned on when he gets on the inside i wish people would get some common sense and realise haye's best chance of beating wlad was making wlad come to him and countering him throwing the first punch wouldn't have gotten him anywhere

ifc do you even read the news?? haye's been criticized by current boxers,champs,ex champs,hof'ers and media writers (and us forum users who you consider retards or whatever). what you see is a distorted reality and you should go out of your underground bunker and get a reality check. haye proved he's had no heart and no will to bring the fight to wlad and he didn't. he is a liar and he fooled many people into believing how great he was. your train has been convincingly derailed but you keep talking nonsense about your fav. boxer. thank you and goodnight. good post homie, ifc19 titles is a moron still, lol, he managed to convince himself that haye had a chance vs wlads boring azz, lol, nyahahaha

Wlad is not top 5 p4p anything...the man can't even through an upper cut, right hook or any punch to the body. But he did beat Haye so congrats to him.

ifc do you even read the news?? haye's been criticized by current boxers,champs,ex champs,hof'ers and media writers (and us forum users who you consider retards or whatever). what you see is a distorted reality and you should go out of your underground bunker and get a reality check. haye proved he's had no heart and no will to bring the fight to wlad and he didn't. he is a liar and he fooled many people into believing how great he was. your train has been convincingly derailed but you keep talking nonsense about your fav. boxer. thank you and goodnight.

Im dissapointed with Wlad performance. I hardly saw hayes head jolted back at all, and it was hard to score the fight as it was hard to see Wlads punches land. Hayes face was hardly a pizza face as well.

good post agree with most of what you said however haye should have taken more risks like he did in the 12th and 3rd

I see threads proclaiming wlat to be the best heavyweight, I see threads saying he is a top 5 heavy atg, I see threads saying haye did not try, I see threads saying haye was a nothing win Why is there no middle ground on this forum This was a very good win for wlad, No this does not make him the best or an atg heavyweight, 1 very good win does not do that. You are only good as the guys you beat, I think wlad deserves all the credit in the world and this is coming from a huge haye fans, all though I found his Toe excuse rather annoying. Time to clear up myths for those saying haye came for a pay check, get a reality check, he threw huge bombs in the first two-three rounds, wlad said that but he landed very little because every time haye threw, not only did he had to reach out far, wlad also took 1-2 steps back AND also waved the punches like khan did vs maidana This made hayes shots landed very loosely, he never connected flush until the third and twelth round, I though haye was going to knock wlad out when he landed in the 12th, he was hurt for sure but wlad had a plan for everything. If he got hurt, he grabbed and made sure Haye could not throw, the ref was a piece of trash and everyone knows that, he was stewards puppet sadly The next myth is that Haye was defensive, again what you people fail to realise is haye looked defensive because wlad made him look like it, his defence was that good as I explained above that haye was landing very little, this made haye throw less and look for the openings, haye had the wrong game plan and wlad had the perfect plan Nobody is giving wlad credit for making haye look like he was in 2nd gear Another myth of haye running all night, those who say that, just never watch boxing again, fighting on the back foot is not running. Myth that wlad jab jab and grabbed, he only grabbed when haye landed on him came in close, mayweather and hatton did that. Mayweather would have got knocked out if he didnt grab against mosley. Wlad did the same, he would have probably got knocked out if he let haye hit him and not grab him What does this win do for Wlad It should certainly put him behind Pac and Mayweather as the number 3 p4p, possibly 4th but that is debatable, that is all it should do It does not make wlad the only good heavy picking on bums, it does not make him the best ever, it makes him a class heavyweight How he will be defined when he retires is still to be seen as he is in his prime right now If he wants to increase his rankings, he needs to be smart, help build up haye again and then promise him a fight, if he wins his stock rises, there arent any good heavies bar haye and the brothers who are fit and proper fighters Wlad deserves all the credit in the world, not over the top, not under, he proved his class and is top 5 p4p thats what the fight did for him I made this thread because I promised freedom I would give wlad his dues, I dont care about the other klit fans who have been running it u r gay, bumped so you can get laughed at for swallowing davids cokk

A very good post. ifc19titles gives real good head, lol, david haye told me this and ifc19tiles gives the worst post that are not floyd related , lol, that being said, this is a **** azz thread where the closer has to kiss everyones azz so they can stop fukking laughing at his stupid azz, lol, nyahahaha like i said, once davids bitsh azz beats another bum, lol, youll see ifc19titles saying david haye will beat vitali with his speed and all this bullsht, lol, nyahahaha ifc19titles might be on crack at this moment getting high with david gaye, lol, nyahahaha

I see threads proclaiming wlat to be the best heavyweight, I see threads saying he is a top 5 heavy atg, I see threads saying haye did not try, I see threads saying haye was a nothing win Why is there no middle ground on this forum This was a very good win for wlad, No this does not make him the best or an atg heavyweight, 1 very good win does not do that. You are only good as the guys you beat, I think wlad deserves all the credit in the world and this is coming from a huge haye fans, all though I found his Toe excuse rather annoying. Time to clear up myths for those saying haye came for a pay check, get a reality check, he threw huge bombs in the first two-three rounds, wlad said that but he landed very little because every time haye threw, not only did he had to reach out far, wlad also took 1-2 steps back AND also waved the punches like khan did vs maidana This made hayes shots landed very loosely, he never connected flush until the third and twelth round, I though haye was going to knock wlad out when he landed in the 12th, he was hurt for sure but wlad had a plan for everything. If he got hurt, he grabbed and made sure Haye could not throw, the ref was a piece of trash and everyone knows that, he was stewards puppet sadly The next myth is that Haye was defensive, again what you people fail to realise is haye looked defensive because wlad made him look like it, his defence was that good as I explained above that haye was landing very little, this made haye throw less and look for the openings, haye had the wrong game plan and wlad had the perfect plan Nobody is giving wlad credit for making haye look like he was in 2nd gear Another myth of haye running all night, those who say that, just never watch boxing again, fighting on the back foot is not running. Myth that wlad jab jab and grabbed, he only grabbed when haye landed on him came in close, mayweather and hatton did that. Mayweather would have got knocked out if he didnt grab against mosley. Wlad did the same, he would have probably got knocked out if he let haye hit him and not grab him What does this win do for Wlad It should certainly put him behind Pac and Mayweather as the number 3 p4p, possibly 4th but that is debatable, that is all it should do It does not make wlad the only good heavy picking on bums, it does not make him the best ever, it makes him a class heavyweight How he will be defined when he retires is still to be seen as he is in his prime right now If he wants to increase his rankings, he needs to be smart, help build up haye again and then promise him a fight, if he wins his stock rises, there arent any good heavies bar haye and the brothers who are fit and proper fighters Wlad deserves all the credit in the world, not over the top, not under, he proved his class and is top 5 p4p thats what the fight did for him I made this thread because I promised freedom I would give wlad his dues, I dont care about the other klit fans who have been running it A very good post.

go fukk yourself and then go give david gaye some more head cause as soon as david wins another fight against any sorry soda machine vendor, lol, you know youre gonna be the first person with his pants down(from david gaye bull**** and david gaye penetration as u do so well,lol,) telling everybody that david is gonna k.o vitali klitschko, mlol, nyahahahaha

So this win doesn't make Wlad an ATG, but Haye would have been an ATG had he won? Doubke standards much? :lol1:

you should quit nsb for six months

I see threads proclaiming wlat to be the best heavyweight, I see threads saying he is a top 5 heavy atg, I see threads saying haye did not try, I see threads saying haye was a nothing win Why is there no middle ground on this forum This was a very good win for wlad, No this does not make him the best or an atg heavyweight, 1 very good win does not do that. You are only good as the guys you beat, I think wlad deserves all the credit in the world and this is coming from a huge haye fans, all though I found his Toe excuse rather annoying. Time to clear up myths for those saying haye came for a pay check, get a reality check, he threw huge bombs in the first two-three rounds, wlad said that but he landed very little because every time haye threw, not only did he had to reach out far, wlad also took 1-2 steps back AND also waved the punches like khan did vs maidana This made hayes shots landed very loosely, he never connected flush until the third and twelth round, I though haye was going to knock wlad out when he landed in the 12th, he was hurt for sure but wlad had a plan for everything. If he got hurt, he grabbed and made sure Haye could not throw, the ref was a piece of trash and everyone knows that, he was stewards puppet sadly The next myth is that Haye was defensive, again what you people fail to realise is haye looked defensive because wlad made him look like it, his defence was that good as I explained above that haye was landing very little, this made haye throw less and look for the openings, haye had the wrong game plan and wlad had the perfect plan Nobody is giving wlad credit for making haye look like he was in 2nd gear Another myth of haye running all night, those who say that, just never watch boxing again, fighting on the back foot is not running. Myth that wlad jab jab and grabbed, he only grabbed when haye landed on him came in close, mayweather and hatton did that. Mayweather would have got knocked out if he didnt grab against mosley. Wlad did the same, he would have probably got knocked out if he let haye hit him and not grab him What does this win do for Wlad It should certainly put him behind Pac and Mayweather as the number 3 p4p, possibly 4th but that is debatable, that is all it should do It does not make wlad the only good heavy picking on bums, it does not make him the best ever, it makes him a class heavyweight How he will be defined when he retires is still to be seen as he is in his prime right now If he wants to increase his rankings, he needs to be smart, help build up haye again and then promise him a fight, if he wins his stock rises, there arent any good heavies bar haye and the brothers who are fit and proper fighters Wlad deserves all the credit in the world, not over the top, not under, he proved his class and is top 5 p4p thats what the fight did for him I made this thread because I promised freedom I would give wlad his dues, I dont care about the other klit fans who have been running it Yes you are a true sportsman and give due when and where deserved. All the same, I query your comment that the ref was in Stewards pocket. Didn't you see Steward shoutihg and telling off the ref when he took a point from Klitschko because Haye kept dropping all those times he was touched?? There could have been at least 2 more counts there. The only thing that bothered me about this fight, was that Klitschko did not KO Haye in the 12th as he had been promising. That would have been a perfect ending and shown his obvious domination in the most spectacular way.