I dotthinUS and UK know how seriously good Wladimir is

I am sorry but I am not convinced after Saturday. I am more convinced that Wlad would not shame himself against the best ever, but I think there are still plenty of guys who would have beaten him. I mean that was a good performance, one of his best...but it was hardly vintage, or a special performance. He still flatters to deceive for me, many people are slating Haye and his performance because they predicted Wladimir to break him down, and take him out, or take him out easy, but he couldn't do it, so they are blaming Haye's negative tactics...poor excuse. Firstly everyone knows what Haye was before the fight, he is a good counter puncher who throws in power 1's and 2's and doesn't throw in combination. He is not an aggressive or inside fighter, he is a long range fighter. Wladimir is the best heavyweight at the moment, and arguably of his era (Vitali), but he possesses quite a few flaws that I see, he still holds an awful lot when he feels pressure, rather than using skill to get himself out of the situation or fight back he holds. The few times Haye hit him, he couldn't follow up because he couldn't get to his head or torso as Wlad would smother him with his physical strength, he wouldn't have been able to do that against SOME of the natural heavyweights in the 70's 80's 90's who were all round heavyweights and were bulls physically also. I think by the end of Wladimir's career hopefully we will find out more about him, until then it is all hypothetical, he is on a good run and more power to him...but we need to see him tested. Right now there is no one out there as far as I can see.

uppin.........................

Really? Bowe 6-5 olympian, Huge reach devastating power and speed. Lennox Lewis 6-5 olympic champion, don't think you need a description. There were plenty more decorated boxers during the 90's, who had toughness to go with their skills, speed and power. Frank Bruno who was not considered elite in the 90's would have wiped the floor with someone like Byrd who is one of Wlad's best wins. That was my original point. Is there anyone that compares on Wlad's resume to any of the top dogs in the 90's, or even in the league of Bruno? If you answer that question impartially, supported by actually watching fight footage, then you will realise that wlad's resume does not even justify the argument. Not once have I dismissed Wlad's ability or talent as a fighter. When he fights, not under pressure he is absolutely tremendous and looks unbeatable, but you are discussing him as possibly one of the greatest and you have to scrutinise him and his accomplishments as you would anyone considered in that argument. Your argument could potentially look very silly in a few days time so I would be careful. ok good point. but bowe did not want to fight the best when he was on top and do you remember golata bowe? i really dont think he would be able to hang with a stable big man like wlad. also keep in mind lewis only came into his own in the late 90' when his style started to resemble that of wlad today. my argument could potentially look silly in a few day but in reallity it won't. i see a Lennox Lewis vs Mike Tyson replay in which wlad systematically breaks down hayes and takes him out. thats if he can stand in for the systematic part the older wlad can hang with any heavy weight past present or future, really.

how can you sound so intelligent and logical when it comes to this subject, yet so retardedly moronic when it comes to everything related to carl froch? Good post. (wlad is not on the level of manny, but thats because hes never gotten the chance to prove it. who knows what could have happened in a great hw era)

Volodomyr brother is BRUTAL KO haye bum.

Oh by the way I think Wlad would hang with any heavyweight in history, and could have out-boxed and beat plenty of them, but I see a lot who could beat him also. you make fair points mate, i guess well agre to disagree...

Oh by the way I think Wlad would hang with any heavyweight in history, and could have out-boxed and beat plenty of them, but I see a lot who could beat him also.

wlad could hang with the heavy's from the 90's. come on kid this guy is 6-7 with a good boxing pedigree which was not typical in the 90's --- not like Frank Bruno, come on. Really? Bowe 6-5 olympian, Huge reach devastating power and speed. Lennox Lewis 6-5 olympic champion, don't think you need a description. There were plenty more decorated boxers during the 90's, who had toughness to go with their skills, speed and power. Frank Bruno who was not considered elite in the 90's would have wiped the floor with someone like Byrd who is one of Wlad's best wins. That was my original point. Is there anyone that compares on Wlad's resume to any of the top dogs in the 90's, or even in the league of Bruno? If you answer that question impartially, supported by actually watching fight footage, then you will realise that wlad's resume does not even justify the argument. Not once have I dismissed Wlad's ability or talent as a fighter. When he fights, not under pressure he is absolutely tremendous and looks unbeatable, but you are discussing him as possibly one of the greatest and you have to scrutinise him and his accomplishments as you would anyone considered in that argument. Your argument could potentially look very silly in a few days time so I would be careful.

dotthinUS? Boxing fans know how good Wlad is. Lack of mainstream attention doesn't change that.

I agree. Wladimir is an excellent HW, in an era of not so very good HW's. But he's not the greatest ever. Not by a long shot. Prime Lewis, Tyson, and maybe Holyfield, all probably beat him. In my opinion, Haye with his combination of speed, power, and skills, will Klitschko's toughest fight to date. Wladimir is certainly capable of scoring a KO at any stage of the fight, but I don't think he can outbox Haye. Certainly not a reserved Haye, who will stalk silently at the end of Klitschko's jab waiting for a chance to strike. Saying that, I don't think Haye is capable of outboxing Klitschko either. His jab is too strong to risk fighting within his reach, and his right hand too sharp and deadly to risk throwing combinations. This will be a tepid affair until somebody takes a chance and lands a big enough blow to hurt their competitor. That is likely to be Klitschko, but the upset will always be within Haye's grasp as long as he's in the fight.

wlad could hang with the heavy's from the 90's. come on kid this guy is 6-7 with a good boxing pedigree which was not typical in the 90's --- not like Frank Bruno, come on. ipeople overate the past fighters, perhaps of jealousy american sports is shocking, or perhaps through nostalgia, either way tysons resume does not even get close to wladimirs....fact...

wlad could hang with the heavy's from the 90's. come on kid this guy is 6-7 with a good boxing pedigree which was not typical in the 90's --- not like Frank Bruno, come on.

i agree wid slim. wlad is a hell of a heavy weight has great hand speed and great foot work and one of the best boxing IQ's. the guy leads with left hooks and gets away with it that says alot. it's not that he only fight bums it's just that he much better.

Byrd destroyed holyfield mate, byrd is a excellent fighter with tremendous speed, as is eddi chambers, but admittidly both lack power. I honestly beleive wlad has the potential to be the best heavyweight ever, and would have destroyed all the boxers of the ninties tbh. As i say, we will see saturday night, but if he does win, he surpasses lewise defence record and gets all 5 belts. IMO the best heavy weights ever are lewis and the K BROS. THE REST would get battered... Are you purposely acting stupid?...Byrd destroyed Holyfield? Do you realise Holyfield had already lost to Ruiz at this point in his career? I am talking about the Holyfield in the mid late 90's. The Holyfield who fought Bowe twice, Moorer twice, and Tyson twice. Not the one shot to pieces. If you are not serious about having a proper debate on the topic without unbias then I am not interested in this at all. Go watch footage of the top guys in the 90's they were proper heavyweights, skill, speed, power. Byrd would have been dominated by Frank Bruno, forget about the rest of those guys. Wlad will never be the best heavyweight ever, he doesn't have the competition to prove it against...simple as that, and if he did he would be taken out. Believe me his chin would not hold up against some of those guys you dismiss, Riddick Bowe would have made mince meat out of him. If you give Wlad, Vitali's chin and general toughness then you potentially have one of the best ever, and it would be worth an argument. It is not just his chin that his the problem either, I have rarely seen fighter become so disorganised when hit by a punch, his arms flop around in the air whilst he looks for something to grab on to, I can only imagine that would have led into complete disaster for him with a fighter who could really fight on the inside. His talent is undeniable, but he has BIG deficiencies, when you think of the best heavyweights they all had weaknesses but not the extent of Wladmir, relatively speaking they were comfortable anywhere in a boxing ring, and in different positions.

I am going to entertain your ridiculous thread. Whilst I think Wladmir is potentially a great heavyweight. He has not ticked certain boxes yet, he hasn't had that major gut check in a fight and passed, you could say to a certain extent he did this in Peter I, but Peter is a C class fighter. Wladmir is not floyd mayweather, he is not some un-hittable defensive genius, he has come through the last few years pretty much unscathed basically because he has been fighting mostly C class fighters, with the odd stroll into B class. When you step up to a certain level, like vitali did with Lewis you cannot get through a fight of that magnitude fighting the way wlad is been beating guys, he would need to prove his mettle, exchange and come through crisis. If Wlad had fought during the 90's with Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson, Moorer, and even old Foreman he would not been able to beat those guys boxing off the back foot, he may have had periods of success with those tactics, but would have had to go through the trenches, which is my biggest question mark over him, and an ingredient he has never proved. Is David Haye the fighter where Wlad proves himself, not sure but I would sure like to see him beat a fighter who is world class, even if he is not a true heavyweight. He has beaten some good fighters like chagaev, but yet to enounter a set of ingredients like Haye possesses. Put it his way if he wins this fight I will be much more sold on him than before. My fear is that if things start getting rough...he will fail yet again. Byrd destroyed holyfield mate, byrd is a excellent fighter with tremendous speed, as is eddi chambers, but admittidly both lack power. I honestly beleive wlad has the potential to be the best heavyweight ever, and would have destroyed all the boxers of the ninties tbh. As i say, we will see saturday night, but if he does win, he surpasses lewise defence record and gets all 5 belts. IMO the best heavy weights ever are lewis and the K BROS. THE REST would get battered...

I don't think the world knows how good Haye is. Watch and see. UK fighters have never got the respect they deserve. It's because the US likes to think they have the best of everything.

I am going to entertain your ridiculous thread. Whilst I think Wladmir is potentially a great heavyweight. He has not ticked certain boxes yet, he hasn't had that major gut check in a fight and passed, you could say to a certain extent he did this in Peter I, but Peter is a C class fighter. Wladmir is not floyd mayweather, he is not some un-hittable defensive genius, he has come through the last few years pretty much unscathed basically because he has been fighting mostly C class fighters, with the odd stroll into B class. When you step up to a certain level, like vitali did with Lewis you cannot get through a fight of that magnitude fighting the way wlad is been beating guys, he would need to prove his mettle, exchange and come through crisis. If Wlad had fought during the 90's with Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson, Moorer, and even old Foreman he would not been able to beat those guys boxing off the back foot, he may have had periods of success with those tactics, but would have had to go through the trenches, which is my biggest question mark over him, and an ingredient he has never proved. Is David Haye the fighter where Wlad proves himself, not sure but I would sure like to see him beat a fighter who is world class, even if he is not a true heavyweight. He has beaten some good fighters like chagaev, but yet to enounter a set of ingredients like Haye possesses. Put it his way if he wins this fight I will be much more sold on him than before. My fear is that if things start getting rough...he will fail yet again.