When a boxer get's caught cheating, normally it clouds there whole career.
Roy Jones, some people feel like maybe he was never that good, that it was the help of steroids to boost his stamina and power.
James Toney, when people think of prime Toney they think of steroids.
Alot of people think that Shane's prime consist mainly of steroids.
But how about Margarito??? Manny & Floyd both finally agree on something, and it's that Margarito is a big cheater, and Floyd even goes so far to say that we don't know how good Margarito really is.
Is it possible that we have never seen natural Margarito without the loaded gloves, or is it possible that majority of all his reign as the most feared man was due to plaster? People already think he had plaster during the Cotto fight also.
Can we even give Margarito any credit at all?
I think that once you get caught cheating in such a serious and blatant manner then your whole record is tarnished.
This guy wore plaster wraps, he could have killed or permanently injured someone just to give him an unfair competitive edge.
I dont know about his whole career but anyone wo thinks that the Mosley fight was the only one he loaded up for is being silly and naive.
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Freddie Roach said Margarito most likely began using the wraps after the Williams fight and that it was evident in the Cintron fights.
For myself, it's really hard to tell. Maybe Margarito did have those wraps for the Cotto fight, Cotto sure bled like it. Yet, Cotto took a lot of punches, leaned into uppercuts, was pinned against the ropes, etc. He took a beating, wraps or no wraps.
I hope that one day Margarito comes true with the whole thing.
im questioning the fact that he looked to be such a strong puncher vs cotto and then throw bullsh*t pitty pat punches vs mosley. then he got brutally ko'd. the fact that he got blown out really makes question him. cant blame me, blame tony. im not the only one who questions him.
it wasn't strength in that fight that made him beat cotto, it was pressure + the accumulation of punches that he was receiving that made him retreat. Anybody whos followed Margarito's career knows that he wasn't even prime when he fought cotto, he was alot slower. Plus Margarito received alot of punches in that fight aswell.
im questioning the fact that he looked to be such a strong puncher vs cotto and then throw bullsh*t pitty pat punches vs mosley. then he got brutally ko'd. the fact that he got blown out really makes question him. cant blame me, blame tony. im not the only one who questions him.
i've read somewhere that margarito had trouble keeping weight for his fight with mosley and that they had a terrible training camp, which is why his trainer claimed he inserted the plaster (without margarito's knowledge, according to him). that, and the shock margarito had on being told he could have had padded gloves made him physically and mentally compromised for that fight.
i'm in no way an authority in these matters, but that is what i merely heard.
Because Pac is a special fighter, top it off the BIG difference in speed.
You guys are too easy.
yep and Manny darting in and out coming at Mosley is vastly different than Margarito walking in to land his punches
If you get the difference in style then you shouldn't even keep questioning it. Mosley had the perfect game plan top it off Mosley LOVES it when someone comes at him. He has dealt with pressure fighters most of his life, unlike Cotto. Mental is a big part of the boxing game and Margarito was already defeated before he stepped in the ring.
for some reason he didn't love it in the pacquiao fight.
Except that, according to many theorists, he began "loading" after the loss to Williams, when he was at last chance saloon and supposedly knew another loss would send him off to journeyman status.
So the Lujan fight can also serve as a good reference of Tony's ability to cause damage and disfiguration with his hands naturally (even while lacking concussive power), reaching back to way before he beat down Cotto, depending on which theory you're going by.
But if he was "loading" all along, when exactly was it he began the practice? Literally from bout #1 to the night of bout #44?
Or are we now backtracking and saying that the "loading" only came in following his technical loss to Santos, just from the Lujan fight on?
Nobody seemes to have a very compelling theory as to when 'it' began; my theory on the issue of Tony's ability to bust faces up is that mileage varies with different opponents, who may take different shots more in different areas, or defend from certain shots to differing levels of success, or take them with varying degrees of physical resilience.
If "plaster" was a factor all that time, though, from the mid 90's to the late 00's, or even from '05 to '08, Im pretty sure we would've seen more, and possibly quite worse, disfigurements and consequences from the many blows Tony was landing on opponents.
No doubt something 'foreign' was initially in his wraps on the night he fought Mosley, something that technically shouldn't have been there, but the matter of its intended offense and/or the extent of its potential for damage was quite possibly overblown for whatever bureaucratic reason.
I can only conclude it wildly unfair and unreasonable to throw out Tony's entire, hard-fought career on zero compelling evidence of any long-running nefarious campaign.
add to that that only Clottey Williams and Danny Perez were the only men at welterweight not to be stopped by Tony before he met Shane since 1998 and I think no one can clearly state an actual fight they think he "started"
people speculating that it started after he couldn't stop PWill how do you explain the stoppages beforehand?
I doubt he loaded up for Mosley ONLY, I know he did for Cotto, Clottey and Williams. It would just make sense.
that's stupid
so you know he did it for three guys listed yet two of them weren't stopped?
Anyone think Roy Jones was cheating his whole career?
Notice how Roy started to become crap and lose once Balco was busted? Jones was always an unorthodox fighter who relied on his athletic abilities, and we already know he tested positive for steroids but was never ONCE punished.
Jones was not wittingly cheating. He was using a thing called RIPPED FUEL which was sold over the counter. And the consensus at that time was that any over the counter item was legal. It was found to contain a single banned substance> His opponent was also found to be using a banned substance in the same fight. so it was more or less "let go".
This happened more than FOUR years before he lost to Tarver, duting which he was still his usual brilliant self. So not usng it had NO effect on him. Unless you can conjure up some other complaint.
I dont know about his whole career but anyone wo thinks that the Mosley fight was the only one he loaded up for is being silly and naive.
You don't no that/ Maybe he knew Shane was a warrior himself, and loaded his gloves with plaster to hurt him more.
He never cheated, and was never caught doing anything.
All he had was old guaze and lotion.
If you were about to fight and had cotton balls in your glove that would be considered illegal substance and you would be labeled a "cheater" dispite the cotton balls having no effect in the fight.
Fuck the TS, this is a clear hate and bait thread towards Margarito.
You people aren't even real boxing fans, those who talk down upon Margarito.
I absolutely agree with you. I've written about this at least a dozen times, but there are so many sub normal mental defectives on this site that it's impossible to reason with them. They should never be allowed to serve on a jury.
There was NO evidence that HE had done anything wrong. He was penalised because "the buck stopped with him". In fact, I read that the ruling stated that they were not accusing him of KNOWING, but of HAVING, and I believe that was the reason he was not BANNED FOR LIFE.
And in any case, the "crime" was not serious enough for such a penalty, since it was only of having a USED cotton gauze pad instead of a NEW one. The othe "evidence" was that there were TRACES of 2 components which are found in plaster-of-paris. BUT....the statement further said that these components are also found in MANY other manufactured items, PRINCIPALLY........... COSMETICS.
I immediately thought of a form of absorbent powder, not neccessarily talcum powder.
AND IT WAS ONLY TRACES............In other words a sprinkling of powder.
The whole thing was a fraud, on an innocent man, whose trainer said the he alone was at fault.
sometimes yes & sometimes not, it all depends on the situation , i mean if they have the chance to load his gloves without being notice by the commission, they certainly would .....watch this fight & tell me if margacheato are with loaded gloves or not link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-otOarNdV0
The Golden Johnson fight was a very soft touch back from the lost to PW. No, I don't think he had loaded gloves.
Johnson was one of Margo's only first round Ko's (besides Gomez at 147 before the Clottey fight). Johnson was out of his league with Margo.
Johnson was put in with Margo simply to impress.
sometimes yes & sometimes not, it all depends on the situation , i mean if they have the chance to load his gloves without being notice by the commission, they certainly would .....watch this fight & tell me if margacheato are with loaded gloves or not link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-otOarNdV0
Not sure. No way to find out now but it is not impossible.
Very true!
I just provide my opinion on the matter, and the reasons that have led me to that conclusion.
There is nothing I am dressing up as a fact, just my reasons for why I think Mosley was the only fight/attempt.