No Way Sturm Vs Macklin Was A Roberry!

You say withdrew, I say repositioned. Those occasional readjustments are just a part of his way of fighting. He must have been hurt because he refused to brawl with a brawler? He was merely, and mostly successfully, disallowing Macklin to smother him. I clearly lack your Mehrabian-like ability to detect these minute bodily distress signals, because Sturm looked ready and willing to engage in the fight throughout to me-- he just wanted to do it his way rather than Macklin's. I'm not at all. I've already made reference to the whole dynamics of the fight and asserted that it snowballed in Sturm's favour. As the fight drew on Sturm's success rate steadily increased, Macklin's steadily dropped. Sturm's offense dampened Macklin's appetite to engage, along with sapping the sting out of his punches and stripping him of whatever semblance of a defense he had had at the start of the fight.:rofl: what fight were you even watching? Sturm wasnt fighting his fight at all, he was forced into exchanges at closer range constantly and barely threw punches. and he wasnt able to stop Macklin at all from getting off his shots. and I guess you clearly do lack any ability to recongnise when a punch is bothering an opponent if you cant see Sturm stiffen up after a particularly good head flurry and body attack. body language is a big indicator of how punches effect an opponent. and Sturm's attack only increased once Macklin stopped atacking...aka Macklin got tired from throwing so many punches. good job from Strum for fighting it out in the last rounds when Macklin was tired, but those are only a few rounds, Sturm was just getting hit too often to win most the others. if you call falling back to the ropes after a number of head shots land 'repositioning', then you have an odd idea of how boxing works. especially because Macklin would seize that opportunity to attack him on the ropes as well, so there was no benefit for Sturm for that action. Im done here, youre pretty much watching a fight that didnt happen. quote]You don't score a fight by punch stats. There's nowhere in the unified rules or whatever that say that. It's simply used as a tool to review fights. In fact whether a punch landed or not is a matter of opinion. There is no machine, there is no sensors on the gloves. It's clear as day Macklin landed more punches than they credited him. People want to say Sturm landed the cleaner punches. Macklin landed plenty of clean shots to the left side of Sturm's body and behind both ears. I don't need to be reassured by stats. I saw it myself. Sturm won no more than 6 rounds. To say he won 8 is wrong. Like I said before. I bet ON Sturm. I needed him to win. After round 8 I was nervous and thought he might need a kd or KO to win. bingo.

I dispute that Macklin inflicted more damage on Sturm than vice versa. Sturm may have superficially looked like he was being hurt with those nicks and marks, but the actual action and impetus of the fight suggests otherwise. Macklin was the one who faded. Macklin was the one who was visibly shaken at least once. Macklin was the one who looked like he wouldn't have lasted another round. You say Sturm was exhausted, but Macklin was doubly so. He occasionally strong-armed Sturm around the ring, but Sturm never looked particularly uncomfortable or distressed for any notable period of time. And we don't judge fights according to demeanor anyway; otherwise we might as well crown Marcos Maidana P4P champion and Supreme Ruler of Boxing right now and call the whole thing off. He didn't look like he faded until the final round. Sturm looked bothered plenty of times by Macklin's flurries. Landing a few counters in between flurries doesn't win you rounds. It won Sturm some rounds not most.

thats just silly, Sturm was getting outpunched in a number of rounds, and continually withdrew to the ropes and had to catch his breath throughout the fight. And not through pushing, through his punch flurries that were landing. You say withdrew, I say repositioned. Those occasional readjustments are just a part of his way of fighting. He must have been hurt because he refused to brawl with a brawler? He was merely, and mostly successfully, disallowing Macklin to smother him. and its NOT demeanor Im talking about, its body language, which is involuntary and completely different. when you get hurt, even a little, your body stiffens up and you invariably tense the part of your body that is bothering you. Im not acting like Sturm was constantly rocked throughout the whole fight or anything stupid, but if you actually watch closely you can tell he was hurt at times, sometimes to the body and sometimes to the head. I clearly lack your Mehrabian-like ability to detect these minute bodily distress signals, because Sturm looked ready and willing to engage in the fight throughout to me-- he just wanted to do it his way rather than Macklin's. all youre doing is looking at the last round and saying 'oh, Sturm won that one, so he was doing more damage'. thats wrong. Macklin was exhausted mostly due to his huge workrate, not Sturm's punches. I'm not at all. I've already made reference to the whole dynamics of the fight and asserted that it snowballed in Sturm's favour. As the fight drew on Sturm's success rate steadily increased, Macklin's steadily dropped. Sturm's offense dampened Macklin's appetite to engage, along with sapping the sting out of his punches and stripping him of whatever semblance of a defense he had had at the start of the fight.

You don't score a fight by punch stats. There's nowhere in the unified rules or whatever that say that. It's simply used as a tool to review fights. In fact whether a punch landed or not is a matter of opinion. There is no machine, there is no sensors on the gloves. It's clear as day Macklin landed more punches than they credited him. People want to say Sturm landed the cleaner punches. Macklin landed plenty of clean shots to the left side of Sturm's body and behind both ears. I don't need to be reassured by stats. I saw it myself. Sturm won no more than 6 rounds. To say he won 8 is wrong. Like I said before. I bet ON Sturm. I needed him to win. After round 8 I was nervous and thought he might need a kd or KO to win.

I dispute that Macklin inflicted more damage on Sturm than vice versa. Sturm may have superficially looked like he was being hurt with those nicks and marks, but the actual action and impetus of the fight suggests otherwise. Macklin was the one who faded. Macklin was the one who was visibly shaken at least once. Macklin was the one who looked like he wouldn't have lasted another round. You say Sturm was exhausted, but Macklin was doubly so. He occasionally strong-armed Sturm around the ring, but Sturm never looked particularly uncomfortable or distressed for any notable period of time. And we don't judge fights according to demeanor anyway; otherwise we might as well crown Marcos Maidana P4P champion and Supreme Ruler of Boxing right now and call the whole thing off. thats just silly, Sturm was getting outpunched in a number of rounds, and continually withdrew to the ropes and had to catch his breath throughout the fight. And not through pushing, through his punch flurries that were landing. and its NOT demeanor Im talking about, its body language, which is involuntary and completely different. when you get hurt, even a little, your body stiffens up and you invariably tense the part of your body that is bothering you. Im not acting like Sturm was constantly rocked throughout the whole fight or anything stupid, but if you actually watch closely you can tell he was hurt at times, sometimes to the body and sometimes to the head. the only time Macklin was rocked was in the last round, and possibly very briefly when he ate that one clean right hand uppercut type of punch. And Sturm clearly won those rounds in my mind. but that doesnt mean he won the whole fight. all youre doing is looking at the last round and saying 'oh, Sturm won that one, so he was doing more damage'. thats wrong. Macklin was exhausted mostly due to his huge workrate, not Sturm's punches.

I found it really hard to score. I had it a draw.

obviously the guard deflects some of the damage, but in reality that doesnt mean the punch doesnt hurt or do damage. its pretty clear youve never boxed before, otherwise youd know that. not to mention Macklin's body weight was behind a lot of those clubbing shots, and if theyre strong enough to push through the side of the guard(which incidently was situated in front of Sturm's face, a truly clean block would have had completely different hand positioning to block those kind of shots) then theyre still strong enough to do plenty of damage. Scoring flush punches is certainly nice, but Sturm flat out didnt do it often enough. When he did do it, which he did in some rounds, I gave him the round. but more often than not his punches werent even perfectly clean either, and even then he didnt land enough of them. Damage is the name of the game, and an accumulation of blows very often is more effective than one flashy looking punch, particularly one that didnt have full weight behind it, which often was the case with Sturm's shots. claiming that this was a case of a guy only winning on volume is ludicrous. Mackin did more damage with his multitude of punches. look at the visual damage on Sturms left side and face, and his physical reactions when hit with punches. look at how exhausted he got even with a low workrate, due to Macklin's attack on his body. not all blocks are equal. a true clean block is supposed to diffuse the punch completely, and deflect the punch at the point of impact. Sturm's blocking very often didnt do that, and the punch would just graze his guard and still land. I dispute that Macklin inflicted more damage on Sturm than vice versa. Sturm may have superficially looked like he was being hurt with those nicks and marks, but the actual action and impetus of the fight suggests otherwise. Macklin was the one who faded. Macklin was the one who was visibly shaken at least once. Macklin was the one who looked like he wouldn't have lasted another round. You say Sturm was exhausted, but Macklin was doubly so. He occasionally strong-armed Sturm around the ring, but Sturm never looked particularly uncomfortable or distressed for any notable period of time. And we don't judge fights according to demeanor anyway; otherwise we might as well crown Marcos Maidana P4P champion and Supreme Ruler of Boxing right now and call the whole thing off.

that should have 0 impact on your personal scoring. and if you wanted to play that game then you could simply bring up the Germans that scored the fight for Macklin. It did have 0 impact on my scoring..... I'm not saying it means anything toward who won. What it does indicate, though, is that the fight was close. Your example also indicates that aswell. It was a close fight. Sturm won, could have gone either way. Were it in the UK, Macklin would have won. As it was in Germany, Sturm won. Wouldn't be suprised if either of them won.

We also need to consider Jim Watt scored the fight a draw and he was veryyyyyyyyyy pro-Macklin. Just throwing that out there. that should have 0 impact on your personal scoring. and if you wanted to play that game then you could simply bring up the Germans that scored the fight for Macklin.

sturm smashed him and NATAS get off the drugs son.

We also need to consider Jim Watt scored the fight a draw and he was veryyyyyyyyyy pro-Macklin. Just throwing that out there.

It is basic physics, mate. The guard absorbs a large portion of the kinetic energy of the punch, but not all of it. You have a diminished # of newtons actually impacting on the area it was aimed at (the head), which makes it less valuable than a punch that lands clean, and it should be scored as such. Not to mention the simple aesthetic difference between a cleanly landed blow and a stifled one. This is one of the principal differences between amateur scoring and professional scoring. Factors like this are meant to be plainly observable and accounted for naturally, but I guess that's giving people too much credit. & I'm not claiming Sturm trounced him, but he was a just winner. obviously the guard deflects some of the damage, but in reality that doesnt mean the punch doesnt hurt or do damage. its pretty clear youve never boxed before, otherwise youd know that. not to mention Macklin's body weight was behind a lot of those clubbing shots, and if theyre strong enough to push through the side of the guard(which incidently was situated in front of Sturm's face, a truly clean block would have had completely different hand positioning to block those kind of shots) then theyre still strong enough to do plenty of damage. Scoring flush punches is certainly nice, but Sturm flat out didnt do it often enough. When he did do it, which he did in some rounds, I gave him the round. but more often than not his punches werent even perfectly clean either, and even then he didnt land enough of them. Damage is the name of the game, and an accumulation of blows very often is more effective than one flashy looking punch, particularly one that didnt have full weight behind it, which often was the case with Sturm's shots. claiming that this was a case of a guy only winning on volume is ludicrous. Mackin did more damage with his multitude of punches. look at the visual damage on Sturms left side and face, and his physical reactions when hit with punches. look at how exhausted he got even with a low workrate, due to Macklin's attack on his body. not all blocks are equal. a true clean block is supposed to diffuse the punch completely, and deflect the punch at the point of impact. Sturm's blocking very often didnt do that, and the punch would just graze his guard and still land.

you are blind if you dont see the number of times Macklin's glove came into contact with Sturms face or side of the head. I dont get how people are so terrible at scoring. Just watch the fight, you SEE Sturms head get moved by the shots.... hell you even visually see the damage that is occuring, look at Sturms left side and his busted up and cut face. or his exhaustion and physical reactions to the punches. pay attention. and lol at the idea that a blocked punch can be deflected onto someones head. If youve ever actually boxed before, you should know better. It is basic physics, mate. The guard absorbs a large portion of the kinetic energy of the punch, but not all of it. You have a diminished # of newtons actually impacting on the area it was aimed at (the head), which makes it less valuable than a punch that lands clean, and it should be scored as such. Not to mention the simple aesthetic difference between a cleanly landed blow and a stifled one. This is one of the principal differences between amateur scoring and professional scoring. Factors like this are meant to be plainly observable and accounted for naturally, but I guess that's giving people too much credit. & I'm not claiming Sturm trounced him, but he was a just winner.

sorry, you can argue with this famous line "if someone has it 7-5 for Mack, you can easily score it 7-5 for Sturm (local fighter and promoter), because there were lotta close rounds", but in reality Macklin won 7 rounds and to give Sturm all these fantasy close rounds to justify that he won the fight is absurd. the SD is on a roll, here some recent fights: Huck-Lebedev Sylvester-Karmazin Sturm-Macklin all got jobbed by way of SD. (of course there are other ways how you can trick the folk with clever scoring. There is an easy way to not get fooled, watch the fight)

Sturm did a great job of neutralising that dangerous-looking body assault. He made some very subtle adjustments to his positioning and began to anticipate and ride the blows, and Macklin lost the fight from that point onwards. It was pretty masterful, imo. Sturm's only real fault was his over-cautiousness. I reckon he could have put a full-stop on the fight if he were a bit more ambitious. I had Sturm winning by 2.

Macklin did miss alot to be honest. After round 6 his punches weren't really doing any damage when they did land. Macklins won the first part of the fight but after that there were alot fo close rounds and it's not suprise they went to Sturm. The Championship rounds other than Round 9 were Sturms rounds also. Macklin outworked him at times but Sturm clearly landed the cleaner and more effective punches throughout the second half of the fight. I think it was close, could have gone either way. But Sturm won in his home country and I'm not too suprised either.

He wasn't even landing cleanly on the side of Sturm's head. The punches that ended up in that area usually arrived by way of deflection. Partial-connections, which may or may not be picked up by the highly fallible CompuBox counter, are not of equal value to cleanly landed punches. "At times"? You mean like two or three times in the whole fight? That's just the nature of the high-guard. You absorb the impact instead of avoiding it altogether, which inevitably causes some damage; but less so than a clean punch. I accept that there were some subjective rounds in there, but I can and did give him more than six rounds. I think all of this robbery crying is a blatant case of confirmation bias due to the fight's location. you are blind if you dont see the number of times Macklin's glove came into contact with Sturms face or side of the head. I dont get how people are so terrible at scoring. Just watch the fight, you SEE Sturms head get moved by the shots.... hell you even visually see the damage that is occuring, look at Sturms left side and his busted up and cut face. or his exhaustion and physical reactions to the punches. pay attention. and lol at the idea that a blocked punch can be deflected onto someones head. If youve ever actually boxed before, you should know better.

Sturm did a great job of neutralising that dangerous-looking body assault. He made some very subtle adjustments to his positioning and began to anticipate and ride the blows, and Macklin lost the fight from that point onwards. It was pretty masterful, imo. Sturm's only real fault was his over-cautiousness. I reckon he could have put a full-stop on the fight if he were a bit more ambitious. Yep, every time he threw a punch it landed and moved Macklin a few inches, but when Macklin threw a punch they were pretty wild and I would guess only 20-30% landed. The punch stat that Sky showed in the 11th round said it atll. 139-131, People need to understand how to score fights, its all about the quality of the punches instead of the quantity, Sturm was being too carefull and he shouldve been more aggressive because he was hurting Macklin with his shots. I just dont get all this outrage? I had it exactly the way the judges had it and I hate Sturm. I wouldve been fine with a 115-114 or a Draw

Sturm had some redness on his body from the first few rounds and thats about it and a few cuts later on in the fight on his face. Sturm did a great job of neutralising that dangerous-looking body assault. He made some very subtle adjustments to his positioning and began to anticipate and ride the blows, and Macklin lost the fight from that point onwards. It was pretty masterful, imo. Sturm's only real fault was his over-cautiousness. I reckon he could have put a full-stop on the fight if he were a bit more ambitious.

just because Sturm's guard is up doesnt mean hes blocking every punch. this is like when people were claiming Arthur Abraham had amazing defense, just because he kept in his shell. or Clottey for that matter. reality is that plenty of punches get around that type of generic guard, especially clubbing shots that land on the side of the head. THOSE ARE SCORING PUNCHES. He wasn't even landing cleanly on the side of Sturm's head. The punches that ended up in that area usually arrived by way of deflection. Partial-connections, which may or may not be picked up by the highly fallible CompuBox counter, are not of equal value to cleanly landed punches. even Macklin;s jab was at times scoring through the guard and touching Sturms face. "At times"? You mean like two or three times in the whole fight? and you could clearly see that Macklin's punches had an effect on Sturm. Sturm was exhausted and could barely throw punches at times, not to mention his face was pretty screwed up. That's just the nature of the high-guard. You absorb the impact instead of avoiding it altogether, which inevitably causes some damage; but less so than a clean punch. Sturm won a fair amount of rounds, but come on. you cant give him more than 6. I accept that there were some subjective rounds in there, but I can and did give him more than six rounds. I think all of this robbery crying is a blatant case of confirmation bias due to the fight's location.