Outside of Pac what WW could Floyd have fought that would top an Ortiz fight?

How do you know Abregu is not better then Berto??Berto would have never fought him.. Hold on, hold on, stop right there. *Takes a deep breathe* WHAT?! See Dominicano,that's what good posters have resorted to.So I guess by his standards i can safetly say that I don't know that pacman is better than Berto cause they never faught.

How do you know Abregu is not better then Berto??Berto would have never fought him.. Hold on, hold on, stop right there. *Takes a deep breathe* WHAT?!

Please don't resort to name calling,but in ur wisdom,can U explain to me exactly how Bradley & Khan are factually better than Ortiz.Abregu wasn't better than Berto & Khan has never fought at 147.Plus it was U that once told me Khan's lone defeat came at a different weight class.So I presume that it's safe to say that Ortiz's problems were also in a different weight class.And at this precise time,Ortiz is the better established welterweight of the 3 mentioned. How do you know Abregu is not better then Berto??Berto would have never fought him..

bradley and khan aren't 5'9 with power and a solid chin are they. **** how many guys did pac fight that had better skill and loss.SMH. ortiz is to big and strong for both khan and bradley. He'd whoop miadanna ass as well if he want it. but he doesn't. Who has those attributes? Who are you talking about?

I just reread my post and I dont see where I overhyped Ortiz. Cotto is a better fighter than Margarito. Forrest is a better figher than Mayo. Doesnt mean much really. At 147 I favor Ortiz over both. Contender or not. Its the best fight hecouldve took outside of Pac at WW. That cant even be argued. Hes fighting the higest ranked WW not named Manny. I wont blast him for that. Oh no doubt about it. But, Bradley and Khan are better fighters than him. In a H2H match up I would favor them. Only recently would people favor Ortiz over both and I wonder why. And, that's because he's the new favor of the month and that's fine and dandy. Again F'ing ey for the record. Ortiz is a legit Floyd deserves the upmost credit for picking him. Is the best fight that can be made at WW. But, to say that he's better or the would beat Bradley or Khan just because he beat an OK at best Berto is really overhyping and overrating the guy.

But, that doesn't take away the fact that he and Khan are better fighters than Ortiz and would more than likely beat Ortiz in a H2H match up. Saying that. Ortiz is the right fight because he's a WW. But, lets not overrate and overhyped Ortiz because he beat an OK fighter at best in Berto. RubenSonny said it best. Ortiz is a contender, a win over him will be just a win over a contender and nothing more. I just reread my post and I dont see where I overhyped Ortiz. Cotto is a better fighter than Margarito. Forrest is a better figher than Mayo. Doesnt mean much really. At 147 I favor Ortiz over both. Contender or not. Its the best fight hecouldve took outside of Pac at WW. That cant even be argued. Hes fighting the higest ranked WW not named Manny. I wont blast him for that.

But, that doesn't take away the fact that he and Khan are better fighters than Ortiz and would more than likely beat Ortiz in a H2H match up. Saying that. Ortiz is the right fight because he's a WW. But, lets not overrate and overhyped Ortiz because he beat an OK fighter at best in Berto. RubenSonny said it best. Ortiz is a contender, a win over him will be just a win over a contender and nothing more. Please don't resort to name calling,but in ur wisdom,can U explain to me exactly how Bradley & Khan are factually better than Ortiz.Abregu wasn't better than Berto & Khan has never fought at 147.Plus it was U that once told me Khan's lone defeat came at a different weight class.So I presume that it's safe to say that Ortiz's problems were also in a different weight class.And at this precise time,Ortiz is the better established welterweight of the 3 mentioned.

If you not fighting at 147... you shouldn't be mentioned in this convo

Does anywhere actually think that Bradley doesnt get he hell beat out of him by Floyd? Atleast Ortiz has some pop and is a big, strong left hander. Bradley is a powerless pure boxer with a short reach. Hes not outboxing Floyd guys. But, that doesn't take away the fact that he and Khan are better fighters than Ortiz and would more than likely beat Ortiz in a H2H match up. Saying that. Ortiz is the right fight because he's a WW. But, lets not overrate and overhyped Ortiz because he beat an OK fighter at best in Berto. RubenSonny said it best. Ortiz is a contender, a win over him will be just a win over a contender and nothing more.

Does anywhere actually think that Bradley doesnt get he hell beat out of him by Floyd? Atleast Ortiz has some pop and is a big, strong left hander. Bradley is a powerless pure boxer with a short reach. Hes not outboxing Floyd guys.

Cotto looked good against Foreman, and he KO'd Mayorga like he was suppose to do. And Ortiz didnt exactly looked good in his last fight with Berto either. It was an exciting fight but it was an ebb and flow fight. And Ortiz never really had a clear victory over an hyped fighter like Berto. It can be argued that Callazo put up a better fighter against Berto than Ortiz. When Pac-May fight was being brought up 2009, Williams name was already fighting above WW a year before that. And he was already planning to move down to WW anyway when he fought Martinez. Just because he got KO'd by Martinez doesnt mean his chin is cracked. Martinez is a power puncher himself. In any case, his advantage over Floyd and Pac is based on style and built anyway. I will take your explanation on Marg at face value since you said you knew people from his camp. Those fighters are better than Ortiz simply because they have been tested and has fought at WW and above. Ortiz has not proven anything except in beating a hype fighter in Berto, and its not even a convincing win. I have a low tolerance for stupidity and nuthuggery. You have a good day sir.

I'm not looking at anything in face value. I'm also looking on how they look after such lose. Oscar lost to top fighters himself and was done as a fighter. Losing to top fighters doesn't mean that you're not done. Anyways Marg was not 150 2 weeks prior. I know people from his camp. He wasn't....But, it doesn't matter he damn near done as a fighter. And, can't make 147 anymore without draining himself. P-Will fought Winky and was considered a threat 2 years ago. A lot has happened since then. And, who's to say he can still make 147? It's been over 2 years since he has made 147. And, we don't even know if his chin is cracked or not. There's a lot of questions about him We need to define what is "looking good". Because, Cotto didn't look good against Mayorga. And, that version of Mayorga is garbage, Ricardo is done, shot to pieces. If Cotto truly was on top form he would have look good. Hell even a past prime Tito coming off years of inactivity and a done Oscar looked better against better versions of Mayorga Again, it's either you're a moron or you just not living in the now, in today. You going by yesteryear accomplishments. Anyways how does either of these guys deserve a shot at Floyd more so than Ortiz? Cotto looked good against Foreman, and he KO'd Mayorga like he was suppose to do. And Ortiz didnt exactly looked good in his last fight with Berto either. It was an exciting fight but it was an ebb and flow fight. And Ortiz never really had a clear victory over an hyped fighter like Berto. It can be argued that Callazo put up a better fighter against Berto than Ortiz. When Pac-May fight was being brought up 2009, Williams name was already fighting above WW a year before that. And he was already planning to move down to WW anyway when he fought Martinez. Just because he got KO'd by Martinez doesnt mean his chin is cracked. Martinez is a power puncher himself. In any case, his advantage over Floyd and Pac is based on style and built anyway. I will take your explanation on Marg at face value since you said you knew people from his camp. Those fighters are better than Ortiz simply because they have been tested and has fought at WW and above. Ortiz has not proven anything except in beating a hype fighter in Berto, and its not even a convincing win.

So what? Khan has come back from it and has the balls to fight the best. Bradley is a coward who no doubt will end up a crack addict like most american fighters. :tapedshut

Cotto...............

Stick to your KFC. Mosley and Bradley both get KOed by Khan. You keep talking about Khan KO'ing somebody when the truth is he is the only one to get KTFO..:tapedshut

Are you guys kidding me? Bradley and Ortiz will win he same amount of rounds against Floyd. And both get dominated for 12 or stopped. Zero. After that crap performance against Alexander and Abregu at WW Floyd wouldve been ripped fpr fighting Bradley. Hindsight is 20-20. And last I checked. I said WW. Now you guys are acting like Floyd dragging Bradley up to 147 would belegit in your eyes. Gimme a break man.quote] I love the way some of you guys love to twist things up... "After that performance against Alexander..." (like Ortiz's last two fights before Berto were spactacular), I'll bet if it had been Ortiz fighting Alexander you would be saying "It's hard to look good against someone who doesn't want to fight". And then your agenda becomes even more obvious when you say :lol1: "...dragging Bradley up to 147..." :lol1: Bradley already fought at 147. Even if you didn't like his performance, (which was his first to test the waters) he was completely dominate against a career WW who was rated by two different org. at #5 at the time and had like 23 ko's out of 25 wins at the time. But hey, you can keep twisting the story to benefit your agenda, it's ok. Ortiz has had 1 damn fight (the same # as Bradley BTW) fight at WW and now some rating him #1 WW in the world is laughable to me (and he only weighed in at 145 and some change for that fight),against Berto, who had never really proven himself at the #3 ranking TBH. But don't twist it cause I'm not saying this isn't a good fight. I'm impressed with Mayweathers decision and I think Ortiz is going to be competitive. It's a good fight, and a good decision period. It's just some people that feel the constant need to defend Floyd (and Pac too) to the ends of the earth only because they want to say that he did it better then Pacquiao could or ever would. Just like these people saying Pac went through all these tough wars coming up and then went up in weight and "suddenly" got better (accusations of PEDS), HOWEVER, so many of those same people are defending Ortiz's last few fights at LW due to weight and inexperience, saying that he was weight drained and has now learned from his mistakes. There's just too many damn double standards on this forum, no one can just appreciate the fighters they like without constantly having to prove their worth BY CRITICIZING ANOTHER. It's like the only way they can prove their favorite fighter to be the best is to prove the legit opposition to be unworthy. Yea, because Bradley against Ortiz would spend half of the fight on the ropes with his mouth wide open in exhaustion, signaling Ortiz to come in and hit him some more. :lol1: :lol1: Comparing Bradley @130, 140, 147, 154, or friggen HW to Andre Berto.... that's funny stuff. Wow great post....

Ortiz has no chance against Khan, none whatsoever. He wouldnt land a significant punch all fight just like Mallinaggi and Kotelnik werent. Khan is above all his opponents talent level. This is why a fight with Floyd must happen as this is the only fight which will actually challenge him. Khan's speed, body punching and jab would be alot for Floyd to cope with. No need talking to this guy anymore he can't see past Khan's nuts..

Your a moron, you are looking at their loses in face value instead of looking against who they fought. They were not losing to bums. They were losing to top fighters themselves. And Marg was 2 weeks in making weight based on what I saw in 24/7. If he was having problems making weight then he wouldnt be in that form 2 weeks away from the fight. What you are talkin' about. Marg looked great when he fought Pac at 150, and didnt show any struggle of making weight. I dont give a sh!t whether Wright was old and inactive. What I am trying to point out is the Williams was fighting at 160, and is still consider as the toughest fight for those 2 even at WW. And you know what it doesnt change even now, simply because Williams has the style to beat both fighters. Not to mention that he is a lot bigger than those two. Losing to a fighter like Martinez does not change that. And as far as Cotto.. I am sayin that Cotto has looked good even after getting KO'd by Pac. Which validates that losing to a fighter like Pac does not make him a lesser fighter than Ortiz even now. I'm not looking at anything in face value. I'm also looking on how they look after such lose. Oscar lost to top fighters himself and was done as a fighter. Losing to top fighters doesn't mean that you're not done. Anyways Marg was not 150 2 weeks prior. I know people from his camp. He wasn't....But, it doesn't matter he damn near done as a fighter. And, can't make 147 anymore without draining himself. P-Will fought Winky and was considered a threat 2 years ago. A lot has happened since then. And, who's to say he can still make 147? It's been over 2 years since he has made 147. And, we don't even know if his chin is cracked or not. There's a lot of questions about him We need to define what is "looking good". Because, Cotto didn't look good against Mayorga. And, that version of Mayorga is garbage, Ricardo is done, shot to pieces. If Cotto truly was on top form he would have look good. Hell even a past prime Tito coming off years of inactivity and a done Oscar looked better against better versions of Mayorga Again, it's either you're a moron or you just not living in the now, in today. You going by yesteryear accomplishments. Anyways how does either of these guys deserve a shot at Floyd more so than Ortiz?

Bradley is too small to give Khan any problems. He has no power so will just get jabbed to death before getting stopped in the mid rounds. Bradley has been matched well and would get exposed by Khan as the C level fighter he is. You sound like a moron,Bradley C level??He is a two time unified Champ that does not happen if you are a C level fighter..

Ortiz is the highest ranked ww & aside from Pacquiao, he's the best choice at ww.