Question about the PED accusations against Pacquiao...

so what im getting out of this ALL BOXING is no good unless they have better testing.... why are we watching then.. who do we trust.. where is the limit.. in floyd we trust?? he has a point. but where's the action to cleaning up the sport. it doesn't take much to prove manny's disloyalty to the honorable sport of boxing. with all the money floyd has..this should be cake if it's that real! petitions to the commission, boxing bans..everything is possible for this osdt to be required legit. as a filipino and boxing fan FU*K manny if he's cheating. but there is nothing that proves. what's in the dark will come into the light. pacman saying no to prove something that he knows already doesn't show me he's guilty.....especially when feeling stabbed for all the hardships of life to get here. but NOW manny wants to take the test.. manny's fans want him to take it..congressmen can't lie to the people and gain respect..so what's the deal? pacman is calling mayweather out. what good are other fights/fighters if there are no osdt?? such a mess..discredit everyone..except floyd shane and ortiz/pacman if they take it like they say they will. right?? im willing to see your side!

If you insist. But I will leave you for now. Would not want to completely spoil your fun. See ya. Have a good day!

Got it dude. One thing. Pac's ORIGINAL statement was no testing I'm afraid of needles. Or did you forget that. Its cool. If you insist. But I will leave you for now. Would not want to completely spoil your fun. See ya.

Does anyone remember who coined the phrase "IGNORANCE IS BLISS"? Got it dude. One thing. Pac's ORIGINAL statement was no testing I'm afraid of needles. Or did you forget that. Its cool.

Manny said that but that in no way is him agreeing to random testing. Again, he didn't agree to random testing with no cutoff. He agreed to take tests, but he always agreed to take tests. He has not agreed to take them randomly and has always negotiated a cutoff date. If he did agree to the 14 day cutoff in July 2010, it was after that offer was no longer on the table given that Mayweather said in Feb and reiterated in May zero cutoff or no fight. Does anyone remember who coined the phrase "IGNORANCE IS BLISS"?

Where did that statement "even in between rounds if that's what he wants" come from? If you have not come across this, then your research is still lacking. Manny said that but that in no way is him agreeing to random testing. Again, he didn't agree to random testing with no cutoff. He agreed to take tests, but he always agreed to take tests. He has not agreed to take them randomly and has always negotiated a cutoff date. If he did agree to the 14 day cutoff in July 2010, it was after that offer was no longer on the table given that Mayweather said in Feb and reiterated in May zero cutoff or no fight.

Actually I have. Manny didn't agree to random OST. He has never agreed to random testing. Even in July when he "agreed" that was to the 14 day cutoff, which was no longer being offered. Where did that statement "even in between rounds if that's what he wants" come from? If you have not come across this, then your research is still lacking.

Another one who still in denial or who did not research Pac's actual statement. Actually I have. Manny didn't agree to random OST. He has never agreed to random testing. Even in July when he "agreed" that was to the 14 day cutoff, which was no longer being offered.

He never said what cutoff he is willing to accept. Agreeing to testing wasn't the issue. Not requesting a cutoff date, therby making the tests RANDOM, is the issue. Manny has not accepted random OST. Another one who still in denial or who did not research Pac's actual statement.

For the nth time to those who are still in denial or lacking in comprehension, the issue of random testing is now moot and irrelevant. Pac has made a public statement that he accepts FMJ's demand. There is a video that's been going around in the internet showing this. There is also an interview posted around the time of the Margo fight where he clearly stated his acceptance. Those who continue to demand for him to keep repeating himself or to keep on citing contradictory statements from other people, are merely attempting to muddle the issue in the hope of diverting the blame from FMJ for the Fight not happening. The man himself has made the statement, how much clearer can you get than that. He never said what cutoff he is willing to accept. Agreeing to testing wasn't the issue. Not requesting a cutoff date, therby making the tests RANDOM, is the issue. Manny has not accepted random OST.

For the nth time to those who are still in denial or lacking in comprehension, the issue of random testing is now moot and irrelevant. Pac has made a public statement that he accepts FMJ's demand. There is a video that's been going around in the internet showing this. There is also an interview posted around the time of the Margo fight where he clearly stated his acceptance. Those who continue to demand for him to keep repeating himself or to keep on citing contradictory statements from other people, are merely attempting to muddle the issue in the hope of diverting the blame from FMJ for the Fight not happening. The man himself has made the statement, how much clearer can you get than that.

The thing that makes the LEAST amount of sense is that the whole reason this PED suspicion came about is because Roger and Sr. said "Wow" Pacquiao is doing UNBELIEVABLE things, things that no ordinary boxer (especially of his size and weight) should be doing".... He can't possibly be THIS good with out some kind of illegal help because "I ain't never seen it". But yet, talking out of the other sides of their mouths, they keep repeating that Manny "ain't ****", "he ain't nothin special" - and Floyd fans by the dozen saying that same thing by continually saying he has no defense, bad footwork, fights bums, old men and guys coming off brutal loses - with a catchweight. Some people refuse to entertain the idea that the whole OSDT became an issue in the beginning primarily over EGO and Pride. Then you got guys saying "I'd take the test for $1 million, let alone $25 million" therefore he MUST be guilty - but yet I highly doubt anyone on this site has ever had close to half a $1million dollars in their bank account and would sell their soul for just A CHANCE of making that kind of money - whereas both Pacquiao and Mayweather are already multi millionares and have the opportunity to make millions every time they step out their door... so they can afford to put pride before the fall. All I'm saying is, which is it? Is Manny some incredible machine that absolutely has to be on PEDS because no one could ever do what he's doing without this majical, A side meth, super miraculous substance that can be taken and cleaned out in 4 days (and be EFFECTIVE) illegal PED that NO ONE else seems to know the existance of - or is he just a good boxer that demands advantages to make himself appear better? Because according to the Mayweather Team and some of his fans it seems to be both at the same time, and that makes no sense. Some of ya'll want to argue it both ways, and it just can't logically be both. Perhaps Manny Pacquiao is just a great and entertaining fighter with a lot of Pride and Ego..... That sounds a lot like Floyd Mayweather Jr. too, if you really want to know the truth. Perfect sense.. you make.. AGAIN.. good post!

Dammit all :nonono: KING :lol1: KING a.k.a your father. The dude who exposed your little Floyd Mayweather groupie gang. Don't make me go bump that post just because. I had you idiots in a frenzy trying to figure out who the "traitor" was. Kicking dudes out the group and accusing eachother and such. LMFAO. So yeah use your little laughing smilies like I'm the one who needs to be laughed at.

lol. just stop nephew. you can tell you're a young kid man. I'm 26 years old. Your usage of the word nephew puts you above nobody by the way.

I know this has been said before but... If the boxing commissions and the powers that be don't require OSDT then why is there an entire cult of people backing Floyd on his demands? Boxers box. Trainers train. Commissions run ****. The end. Does it make sense to go out of your way to satisfy the wants of your opponent when its not mandatory? Sure people can point to the "excuses" about needles and Manny's alleged head growth but Pacquiao's camp can make up as many excuses as they want as for reasons why not to take the tests because they don't have to. Also, flip the coin. If Pacquiao's camp for some reason pulled this on Floyd and demanded OSDT from him out of the blue do you think Floyd would comply? No, for the sake of going against the grain and not wanting to ease the mind of his opponent Floyd would argue the same. He would say, "I've always tested clean and I take the tests required by the commission, lifestyle flashy". The argument coming from the Mayweather camp and his cult following is a bit ridiculous. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Who is anyone to say that you literally CAN'T peak in your later years? But people take the word of Roger or Floyd Sr. as gospel and that's that. Kind of sad what boxing has come to really. People who fight for a living avoiding opponents because their daddy got it in their head that they might lose their undefeated streak to a "cheater". Boo on that. ^ Good point. Floyd never demanded this of anyone prior to his dad opening his mouth. So somewhere in Floyd's head he is a beaten man already. And yes Floyd's super human skills should allow him to beat Pacquiao whether he uses PED or not. I hope nobody here thinks that I think Floyd is a garbage boxer. Dude is amazing. But his camp isn't doing him any favors. If anything he should let Pacquiao slide on the tests, beat him, and then say - "I beat a dude who was probably on PED's." Then he wins twice, in his own head atleast. true but Floyd never had a reason to demand testing from anyone.

I know this has been said before but... If the boxing commissions and the powers that be don't require OSDT then why is there an entire cult of people backing Floyd on his demands? Boxers box. Trainers train. Commissions run ****. The end. Does it make sense to go out of your way to satisfy the wants of your opponent when its not mandatory? Sure people can point to the "excuses" about needles and Manny's alleged head growth but Pacquiao's camp can make up as many excuses as they want as for reasons why not to take the tests because they don't have to. Also, flip the coin. If Pacquiao's camp for some reason pulled this on Floyd and demanded OSDT from him out of the blue do you think Floyd would comply? No, for the sake of going against the grain and not wanting to ease the mind of his opponent Floyd would argue the same. He would say, "I've always tested clean and I take the tests required by the commission, lifestyle flashy". The argument coming from the Mayweather camp and his cult following is a bit ridiculous. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Who is anyone to say that you literally CAN'T peak in your later years? But people take the word of Roger or Floyd Sr. as gospel and that's that. Kind of sad what boxing has come to really. People who fight for a living avoiding opponents because their daddy got it in their head that they might lose their undefeated streak to a "cheater". Boo on that. differnce would be if Manny demanded tests and Floyd refused everyone in the world would think he was juicing until he proved otherwise. fact.

If pacquiao doesn't want to do osdt (for whatever reason) then that's his decision because who's to say that pacquiao MUST do osdt? Floyd? If Floyd believes that pacquiao is truly inferior to him in terms of skills and atheltic ability then I don't see what's the point in him continuing to demand pacquiao to take osdt. If Floyd truly believes he can dominate pacquiao then why not just fight him and stick to the regular drug testing? Plus didn't pacquiao already say on camera and in a couple of interviews that random blood testing is no issue for him now? So if that's the case then we can expect them to fight sometime next year.

The thing that makes the LEAST amount of sense is that the whole reason this PED suspicion came about is because Roger and Sr. said "Wow" Pacquiao is doing UNBELIEVABLE things, things that no ordinary boxer (especially of his size and weight) should be doing".... He can't possibly be THIS good with out some kind of illegal help because "I ain't never seen it". But yet, talking out of the other sides of their mouths, they keep repeating that Manny "ain't ****", "he ain't nothin special" - and Floyd fans by the dozen saying that same thing by continually saying he has no defense, bad footwork, fights bums, old men and guys coming off brutal loses - with a catchweight. Some people refuse to entertain the idea that the whole OSDT became an issue in the beginning primarily over EGO and Pride. Then you got guys saying "I'd take the test for $1 million, let alone $25 million" therefore he MUST be guilty - but yet I highly doubt anyone on this site has ever had close to half a $1million dollars in their bank account and would sell their soul for just A CHANCE of making that kind of money - whereas both Pacquiao and Mayweather are already multi millionares and have the opportunity to make millions every time they step out their door... so they can afford to put pride before the fall. All I'm saying is, which is it? Is Manny some incredible machine that absolutely has to be on PEDS because no one could ever do what he's doing without this majical, A side meth, super miraculous substance that can be taken and cleaned out in 4 days (and be EFFECTIVE) illegal PED that NO ONE else seems to know the existance of - or is he just a good boxer that demands advantages to make himself appear better? Because according to the Mayweather Team and some of his fans it seems to be both at the same time, and that makes no sense. Some of ya'll want to argue it both ways, and it just can't logically be both. Perhaps Manny Pacquiao is just a great and entertaining fighter with a lot of Pride and Ego..... That sounds a lot like Floyd Mayweather Jr. too, if you really want to know the truth. I think for me I came to my own conclusions not what some dame double digit IQ fool says. I have been watching Manny since he debuted on HBO and watching him go life and death with oscar larios and jorge solis and then all of a sudden walking through punches from guys twice as goog as those guys and 20 lbs higher coupled with the fact the clown refuses to take the test and has given several excuses as to why not is what I base my opinion on. Not some cracked out fool. Roger Mayweather's teeth look like someone has been shooting at them with a BB gun.

Inocent until proven guilty in not relevent here because the evidence is in Paqs blood and he was refusing to give that evidence That doesn't constitute as someone cheating more than someone having an opinion about it.

The thing that makes the LEAST amount of sense is that the whole reason this PED suspicion came about is because Roger and Sr. said "Wow" Pacquiao is doing UNBELIEVABLE things, things that no ordinary boxer (especially of his size and weight) should be doing".... He can't possibly be THIS good with out some kind of illegal help because "I ain't never seen it". But yet, talking out of the other sides of their mouths, they keep repeating that Manny "ain't ****", "he ain't nothin special" - and Floyd fans by the dozen saying that same thing by continually saying he has no defense, bad footwork, fights bums, old men and guys coming off brutal loses - with a catchweight. Some people refuse to entertain the idea that the whole OSDT became an issue in the beginning primarily over EGO and Pride. Then you got guys saying "I'd take the test for $1 million, let alone $25 million" therefore he MUST be guilty - but yet I highly doubt anyone on this site has ever had close to half a $1million dollars in their bank account and would sell their soul for just A CHANCE of making that kind of money - whereas both Pacquiao and Mayweather are already multi millionares and have the opportunity to make millions every time they step out their door... so they can afford to put pride before the fall. All I'm saying is, which is it? Is Manny some incredible machine that absolutely has to be on PEDS because no one could ever do what he's doing without this majical, A side meth, super miraculous substance that can be taken and cleaned out in 4 days (and be EFFECTIVE) illegal PED that NO ONE else seems to know the existance of - or is he just a good boxer that demands advantages to make himself appear better? Because according to the Mayweather Team and some of his fans it seems to be both at the same time, and that makes no sense. Some of ya'll want to argue it both ways, and it just can't logically be both. Perhaps Manny Pacquiao is just a great and entertaining fighter with a lot of Pride and Ego..... That sounds a lot like Floyd Mayweather Jr. too, if you really want to know the truth.