Yeah yeah yeah, I know another Pac-Floyd, Flomo-Pactard OST circle jerk-athon :purity:
But hear me out...
Floyd claims he wants to 'change sports' and likened his stance on OST to Malcolm X and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's civil rights struggles:
“If it was all about money for me, I would’ve said ‘I don’t care what Manny Pacquiao does, just give me the money, I’ll take it,’ ” he said. “But it’s me taking a stand for something that means something. And it’s for the fighters who are up and coming.
“It’s sort of the same stance Martin Luther King and Malcolm X made, so we could have freedoms, so everybody could tell the world that we’re equal. The only thing I’m saying is that we are equal. So if you’re not on nothing and I’m not on nothing, then let’s go take the test. That’s all I’m saying."
http://www.examiner.com/boxing-in-national/floyd-mayweather-likens-himself-to-malcolm-x-martin-luther-king#ixzz1PyX1aVDq
So this begs the question- if money isn't the issue, and Floyd wants to ensure that ALL Boxers are equal, and he's taking a stand for fighters who are up and coming... What exactly has he done to ensure this happens?
Now contrary to popular belief, not all 'pactards' are against more extensive testing. Some of us don't believe that only privileged fighters should have the right to certain resources that determine 'equality' amongst athletes. In addition, matters such as anti doping protocol should not be the prerogative of fighters but should be overseen/controlled by sanctioning bodies/state commissions (boxing needs one homogeneous commission, but that's a rant for another day). 'Equality' should not be the right of a few privileged individuals, it should be the standard across the board.
It seems that no state commission has the resources to guarantee that they would have a standardized OST program. Doing a bit of research, I learned that one randomized test could cost between $200-600. Keith Kizer, the head of the Nevada commission, had a brilliant idea for how an across the board program could be implemented:
Mr. Tygart suggested several options of how the state could pay for these tests including PPV and casino revenues. Using the Mayweather-Mosley fight as an example, Tygart suggested that $1 dollar from every PPV could have generated enough income to pay for a drug testing program for the next few years.
The money's there. It's just a matter of priorities. Adding a $1 dollar 'integrity and sport contribution' onto the PPV fee, could have generated 1.4 million dollars. That would effectively run an anti-doping program for 5 years.
Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/fight-sports-in-national/money-not-factor-usada-s-drug-testing-program-mayweather-mosley-cost-6-400-12-800-pg-2#ixzz1PybCeRvM
So, basically if Mayweather was REALLY serious about changing the sport and making everyone equal (at least in Nevada, it would be a great star), all he would have to do is donate $1 from every buy from the Mosley fight and that would sustain a program for 5 YEARS. If he did this for his fight with Ortiz and subsequent PPVs (a very small portion of his purse), he could single-handedly sustain a program for a decade+. Or he could donate this:
Or instead of investing millions in jewelry, he could donate that money to the commissions or USADA:
Floyd Mayweather Jr House Robbed of $7 million in Jewels
So for the price he paid for lost/stolen jewelry, Floyd could sustain Nevada's OST program for 25 years or spread the funds to different State Commissions.
If he did this, he would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he in fact truly cares about 'changing/cleaning up the sport' and making sure that everyone was 'equal', especially considering money isn't the issue or a problem for him. Plus, if all the State Commissions were funded for at least 5 years by Floyd or at the very least Nevada, and ALL fighters under their jurisdiction were required to undergo the tests, how could any fighter refuse? How can anyone say that Floyd's 'heroic stand' is nothing more than a smokescreen to duck and dodge.
So next time Floyd posts a $50-100,000 betting slip on facebook/twitter or counts millions of dollars in cash for youtube or invests millions in jewelry, his fans should implore him with tweets/messages/etc to the cause he so clearly believes in. We would finally see the change he promised and there would be true equality.
Is this not more noble and effective than going on vacation and having your driver print t-shirts?
Are you serious bro?? Floyd could careless about being an ambassador for boxing. He just wants to make sure that a fight with him and Pacquiao is a clean fight. All the other stuff is ridiculous and uncalled for man.
Looks like Manny is the one bringing REAL change. Some people are all talk, others get sh*t done :headbang:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=491778
http://www.leadingsmart.com/images/2008/07/29/change.jpg
How people can hate on this is beyond me, but I'm sure we'll see plenty :nonono:
Ill state the obvious, because Floyd asking OST is not about changing the sport. But if Manny does not call out Floyd or do OST on his next fight there would be things running on my mind, but what do i know, I am no insider or OST expert like some posters here.
Duckqiao: Please mr arum no more hard fights please no floyd mayweather he can fight me no want hard opponent me very sad and tired please mr arum help me.
Arum: Ho Ho Ho don't worry my cash cow,I have already 5 catch weight fights lined up for you and we can always hide behind the lawsuit Ho Ho Ho.
http://blogs.uct.ac.za/gallery/669/2341-Fascinating.jpg
But what did you think of what I actually wrote?
Duckqiao: Please mr arum no more hard fights please no floyd mayweather he can fight me no want hard opponent me very sad and tired please mr arum help me.
Arum: Ho Ho Ho don't worry my cash cow,I have already 5 catch weight fights lined up for you and we can always hide behind the lawsuit Ho Ho Ho.
Wow...I've crapped on a lot of pactards but this thread right here is pretty creepy. And weird. I gotta get the fukk outta here.
My thoughts exactly. The stupidity that runs on these forums is unbelievable.
What exactly is stopping MP from taking these tests?
The pain of the needle?
The withdrawal of blood being in someway against his religious or cultural beliefs?
Doesn't like being told what to do?
From what I can see, if MP agrees to the OST, the fight is on? Is that right?
If so, he IMO is a pvssy.
http://blogs.uct.ac.za/gallery/669/2341-Fascinating.jpg
But what did you think of what I actually wrote?
What exactly is stopping MP from taking these tests?
The pain of the needle?
The withdrawal of blood being in someway against his religious or cultural beliefs?
Doesn't like being told what to do?
From what I can see, if MP agrees to the OST, the fight is on? Is that right?
If so, he IMO is a pvssy.
Wow...I've crapped on a lot of pactards but this thread right here is pretty creepy. And weird. I gotta get the fukk outta here.
Things just got a little creepier :ugh:
pac is a coward..fear of needles..two week gap...10 million dollar penalty idea...lawsuit...how many excuses does this man need lol ????? oh yea the ATG..my shoes were to tight :rofl:
pac the king of ducking.
http://blogs.uct.ac.za/gallery/669/2341-Fascinating.jpg
But what did you think of what I actually wrote?
pac is a coward..fear of needles..two week gap...10 million dollar penalty idea...lawsuit...how many excuses does this man need lol ????? oh yea the ATG..my shoes were to tight :rofl:
pac the king of ducking.
Couldn't Pac have still won the "war" against Floyd by taking random blood testing in any of these fights with other fighters? He could have shown the world he is clean and still refused to give into Floyd's demands while proving he is not a cheat. That would be like a double backhand to the Mayweather faces.
he is on PED's....
Yeah yeah yeah, I know another Pac-Floyd, Flomo-Pactard OST circle jerk-athon :purity:
But hear me out...
Floyd claims he wants to 'change sports' and likened his stance on OST to Malcolm X and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's civil rights struggles:
“If it was all about money for me, I would’ve said ‘I don’t care what Manny Pacquiao does, just give me the money, I’ll take it,’ ” he said. “But it’s me taking a stand for something that means something. And it’s for the fighters who are up and coming.
“It’s sort of the same stance Martin Luther King and Malcolm X made, so we could have freedoms, so everybody could tell the world that we’re equal. The only thing I’m saying is that we are equal. So if you’re not on nothing and I’m not on nothing, then let’s go take the test. That’s all I’m saying."
http://www.examiner.com/boxing-in-national/floyd-mayweather-likens-himself-to-malcolm-x-martin-luther-king#ixzz1PyX1aVDq
So this begs the question- if money isn't the issue, and Floyd wants to ensure that ALL Boxers are equal, and he's taking a stand for fighters who are up and coming... What exactly has he done to ensure this happens?
Now contrary to popular belief, not all 'pactards' are against more extensive testing. Some of us don't believe that only privileged fighters should have the right to certain resources that determine 'equality' amongst athletes. In addition, matters such as anti doping protocol should not be the prerogative of fighters but should be overseen/controlled by sanctioning bodies/state commissions (boxing needs one homogeneous commission, but that's a rant for another day). 'Equality' should not be the right of a few privileged individuals, it should be the standard across the board.
It seems that no state commission has the resources to guarantee that they would have a standardized OST program. Doing a bit of research, I learned that one randomized test could cost between $200-600. Keith Kizer, the head of the Nevada commission, had a brilliant idea for how an across the board program could be implemented:
Mr. Tygart suggested several options of how the state could pay for these tests including PPV and casino revenues. Using the Mayweather-Mosley fight as an example, Tygart suggested that $1 dollar from every PPV could have generated enough income to pay for a drug testing program for the next few years.
The money's there. It's just a matter of priorities. Adding a $1 dollar 'integrity and sport contribution' onto the PPV fee, could have generated 1.4 million dollars. That would effectively run an anti-doping program for 5 years.
Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/fight-sports-in-national/money-not-factor-usada-s-drug-testing-program-mayweather-mosley-cost-6-400-12-800-pg-2#ixzz1PybCeRvM
So, basically if Mayweather was REALLY serious about changing the sport and making everyone equal (at least in Nevada, it would be a great star), all he would have to do is donate $1 from every buy from the Mosley fight and that would sustain a program for 5 YEARS. If he did this for his fight with Ortiz and subsequent PPVs (a very small portion of his purse), he could single-handedly sustain a program for a decade+. Or he could donate this:
Or instead of investing millions in jewelry, he could donate that money to the commissions or USADA:
Floyd Mayweather Jr House Robbed of $7 million in Jewels
So for the price he paid for lost/stolen jewelry, Floyd could sustain Nevada's OST program for 25 years or spread the funds to different State Commissions.
If he did this, he would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he in fact truly cares about 'changing/cleaning up the sport' and making sure that everyone was 'equal', especially considering money isn't the issue or a problem for him. Plus, if all the State Commissions were funded for at least 5 years by Floyd or at the very least Nevada, and ALL fighters under their jurisdiction were required to undergo the tests, how could any fighter refuse? How can anyone say that Floyd's 'heroic stand' is nothing more than a smokescreen to duck and dodge.
So next time Floyd posts a $50-100,000 betting slip on facebook/twitter or counts millions of dollars in cash for youtube or invests millions in jewelry, his fans should implore him with tweets/messages/etc to the cause he so clearly believes in. We would finally see the change he promised and there would be true equality.
Is this not more noble and effective than going on vacation and having your driver print t-shirts?
he did change it... he is a superstar belongs to WWE!! goddamnit...
No that's not what the commission suggested.
What the commission suggested is that a PPV should be a dollar extra. (for ex: instead of $59.95 make it $60.95) and that extra dollar would go for the testing.
The commission never suggested that ONE FIGHTER pays for everybody.
You basically said that Floyd should go into his own pocket and pay for it. Which is absurd.
To charge the PPV an extra would be on the promoters not the fighters.
There is a difference idiot.
You need to stop trolling :cool2:
I actually think that's an excellent idea.
We can't all be jet-setting superstar poker players Mr. Ivey, some of us have to get by in other ways. But I see you playa, I see you
http://www.highstakesdb.com/images/players/20100413011300.gif
LOL baller
Floyd is gonna be paying, Floyd fights on PPV right?? So that means each-time he fights, he would also have the money deducted for each PPV buy he does.
JRosales ain't gonna like this :theyareon
In the end, if you really wanna see the sport do better, and if all fighters really wanna see this, they all should have no problem chipping in.
Average Professional Boxer Annual Salary= $32,000
Mayweather-Mosley drug tests cost $6,400-$12,800
So.... you're suggesting that guys who make $32K before taxes 'chip in' to pay at least $6,400 for testing. If a guy fights 10X per year, the cost of testing would double his salary.
This isn't the first time steroids has came up in boxing, Roy Jones, James Toney, in Holyfield vs Tyson and in SRL vs Hearns, but now people are just really starting to pressure a change.
Oh yeah, how's that change coming along?
I see... so the fans should foot the bill for Mayweather's crusade.
As long as Floyd isn't paying, guess it works out for everybody then :dance:
Floyd is gonna be paying, Floyd fights on PPV right?? So that means each-time he fights, he would also have the money deducted for each PPV buy he does.
In the end, if you really wanna see the sport do better, and if all fighters really wanna see this, they all should have no problem chipping in.
This isn't the first time steroids has came up in boxing, Roy Jones, James Toney, in Holyfield vs Tyson and in SRL vs Hearns, but now people are just really starting to pressure a change.
Some people really have too much time on their hands.
We can't all be jet-setting superstar poker players Mr. Ivey, some of us have to get by in other ways. But I see you playa, I see you
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