Just saw Mayweather-Castillo I for the First Time...

Floyd lost that fight, and he knows it.

I will admit Castillo was missing a lot but at least he was pushing the fight and forcing Mayweather to fight more than he wanted to. This is my whole point. Castillo was not landing many clean punches. Many were missed or were blocked. Castillo made floyd dig deep and fight a different way. Props to Castillo but IMO that is not winning the fight. Thats why I called him the "best loser". First off, Castillo was the champ, Floyd didn't do nearly enough to take the title from Castillo. Second, I admit Castillo was missing a lot but he was still out landing Floyd with the more effective punches. I mean, after the 8th, Floyd was on his bicycle waiting for each round to be over. He did NOTHING of significance against Castillo in those later rounds. Off the top of my head, in the post fight interviews for these fights, he praised his opponent: Gatti Judah Mosley Corrales Hatton Just saying, just cause some one does something once, you shouldn't go around saying they always do it. I will have to check those but to be honest, I can't remember ever hearing Floyd be humble in winning, it's just not just his style. I'm not saying your wrong, I take your word for it but this is the reason Floyd gets so much heat for his sh1t talking because there's always something.....

lol it shouldnt matter cuz he redeemed himself in the rematch..ya just want to see him with a lost lol Well although this fight is 10 years old, and every year there's 5 threads titled "Just watched/re watched Mayweather-Castillo"m it does matter. Because it's the closest thing you'll ever see to Floyd losing. Yeah although Floyd has changed slightly, he's not a dramatically different fighter from 2001. Maybe he's worst now because he's not as light and as fast. So this fight could serve as a blueprint to beat Floyd, by going to the body. So it does matter. Now the difference between the Floyd in the first Castillo fight from the 2nd Castillo fight, suggests to me that Floyd probably took Castillo lightly. Because the second fight was a totally different fight from the 1st one, in which Mayweather handled Castillo pretty easily, despite the closer scores. With that said, you'll never see me making threads about "Just watched Marquez-Pacquiao I & II and I thought Pacquiao lost", not a shot at TS, just the other obsessed Floyd haters bringing up a fight from 10 years ago where Floyd almost lost, why they bring it up, I don't know, obsession. But yes the fight does matter if you're a boxer looking for a gameplan, if you're just a fan bringing it up again and again like in Boxingscene, for no good reason, it's stupid. Nobody can just bump an old Mayweather-Castillo thread in which the OP cliams Castillo won, they need their own thread.

I scored the fight to Floyd by a point. The score-cards were completely laughable, there is no way in the world that the fight was won by a wide margin. I don't like the term 'robbery' either, it was far from that. It was a very close fight with many close rounds, it wouldn't have been a robbery if either guy had won by a point.

lol it shouldnt matter cuz he redeemed himself in the rematch..ya just want to see him with a lost lol

I watch the fight last night, I really hope Ortiz doesn't reference it for a game plan, Jr. is a completely different fighter today.

to be honest, its kind of hard to see how someone would score the fight for Mayweather. Castillo piled on body punches, and those definitely count.(when they land of course). but, it was close enough that I guess it wasnt a robbery. I really cant see how you could make it a Floyd win, but a draw is not out of the question. this has a pretty indepth look into the fight, where they break down each round punch by punch to score. not saying you should let it judge for you, but its worth a look

I had Castillo winning the fight easily, anyone who says otherwise is just a one of following; 1. Mayweather Stans 2. Black 3. Dumb 4. All of the above So the judges were dumb, black mayweather stans?

I had Castillo winning the fight easily, anyone who says otherwise is just a one of following; 1. Mayweather Stans 2. Black 3. Dumb 4. All of the above

Ok, so I'm not busy at work and I watched the fight again since it's been a long time since I have seen it and this is the way I scored it. Round Castillo Mayweather 1 9 10 2 9 10 3 10 9 4 10 9 5 9 10 6 10 9 7 10 9 8 9 9 <-----pt ded for Castillo 9 10 10 10 10 8 <-----pt ded mayweather 11 9 10 12 10 9 _______________________________________________ 115 111 I thought both pt deductions were BS, the ref did a terrible job and was too involved. Both fighters were fighting a little rough in there but not so much it should have been a pt deduction. Also, Mayweather gives ZERO props to anyone he fights, not one good thing to say about Castillo and of course the rotator cuff came as an excuse. I always laugh when fighters say "I don't give excuses" then go on to immediately mention the excuse...hahaha The judges had it 115 - 11, 115 - 11 and 116 - 111 for Mayweather? Good God what where they watching. All the commentators and Letterman had Castillo winning the fight. Mayweather got a home town decision. Mayweather has excellent defense but in reality after the 8th, he really wasn't throwing anything with effectiveness on Castillo. He was in running mode and other than a few shots here and there, he was holding, hitting, running and not being very effective with anything. I will admit Castillo was missing a lot but at least he was pushing the fight and forcing Mayweather to fight more than he wanted to. I wouldn't say complete robbery but I saw Castillo carry this fight to a UD win. Off the top of my head, in the post fight interviews for these fights, he praised his opponent: Gatti Judah Mosley Corrales Hatton Just saying, just cause some one does something once, you shouldn't go around saying they always do it.

I thought Mayweather pulled it out. I know I'm in the minority, but it definitely wasn't a robbery. I even think a draw would've been entirely fair. Here's my scorecard: ROUND_____1__2__3__4__5__6__7__8__9__10__11__12__TOTAL Mayweather_10_10_10_10_10_9__9__9__10__9___9___9___114 Castillo_____9__9__9__9__9__9_10_10__9___9__10__10___112 Notes: - I did think Mayweather won the first 5 rounds by clean, effective punching while avoiding most of Castillo's pressure and shots. If you were to give any of these rounds to Castillo you might give him rd. 3, which was the closest but I still think Mayweather took it. - Castillo got a point deducted in round 6, Mayweather got a point deducted in round 10. - The ref (Drakulich) wasn't as bad as the announcers made him out to be. Thought both point deductions were valid enough, though he might've trying to make up for the 1st call with the 2nd. - The official scorecards were too wide for Mayweather (Anek Hongtongkam 116-111, John Keane 115-111, Jerry Roth 115-111) - Who does everyone think won round 10? I think it's by far the most important close round. It tipped my scorecard from a draw to a Mayweather win. Floyd lost but it wasn't a robbery. The score cards just made it look terrible. If they would have had floyd winning by a point I doubt people would even bring it up much today. He did go right back and "avenge" the victory so props for that.

Ok, so I'm not busy at work and I watched the fight again since it's been a long time since I have seen it and this is the way I scored it. Round Castillo Mayweather 1 9 10 2 9 10 3 10 9 4 10 9 5 9 10 6 10 9 7 10 9 8 9 9 <-----pt ded for Castillo 9 10 10 10 10 8 <-----pt ded mayweather 11 9 10 12 10 9 _______________________________________________ 115 111 I thought both pt deductions were BS, the ref did a terrible job and was too involved. Both fighters were fighting a little rough in there but not so much it should have been a pt deduction. Also, Mayweather gives ZERO props to anyone he fights, not one good thing to say about Castillo and of course the rotator cuff came as an excuse. I always laugh when fighters say "I don't give excuses" then go on to immediately mention the excuse...hahaha The judges had it 115 - 11, 115 - 11 and 116 - 111 for Mayweather? Good God what where they watching. All the commentators and Letterman had Castillo winning the fight. Mayweather got a home town decision. Mayweather has excellent defense but in reality after the 8th, he really wasn't throwing anything with effectiveness on Castillo. He was in running mode and other than a few shots here and there, he was holding, hitting, running and not being very effective with anything. I will admit Castillo was missing a lot but at least he was pushing the fight and forcing Mayweather to fight more than he wanted to. I wouldn't say complete robbery but I saw Castillo carry this fight to a UD win. I will admit Castillo was missing a lot but at least he was pushing the fight and forcing Mayweather to fight more than he wanted to. This is my whole point. Castillo was not landing many clean punches. Many were missed or were blocked. Castillo made floyd dig deep and fight a different way. Props to Castillo but IMO that is not winning the fight. Thats why I called him the "best loser".

Ok, so I'm not busy at work and I watched the fight again since it's been a long time since I have seen it and this is the way I scored it. Round Castillo Mayweather 1 9 10 2 9 10 3 10 9 4 10 9 5 9 10 6 10 9 7 10 9 8 9 9 <-----pt ded for Castillo 9 10 10 10 10 8 <-----pt ded mayweather 11 9 10 12 10 9 _______________________________________________ 115 111 I thought both pt deductions were BS, the ref did a terrible job and was too involved. Both fighters were fighting a little rough in there but not so much it should have been a pt deduction. Also, Mayweather gives ZERO props to anyone he fights, not one good thing to say about Castillo and of course the rotator cuff came as an excuse. I always laugh when fighters say "I don't give excuses" then go on to immediately mention the excuse...hahaha The judges had it 115 - 11, 115 - 11 and 116 - 111 for Mayweather? Good God what where they watching. All the commentators and Letterman had Castillo winning the fight. Mayweather got a home town decision. Mayweather has excellent defense but in reality after the 8th, he really wasn't throwing anything with effectiveness on Castillo. He was in running mode and other than a few shots here and there, he was holding, hitting, running and not being very effective with anything. I will admit Castillo was missing a lot but at least he was pushing the fight and forcing Mayweather to fight more than he wanted to. I wouldn't say complete robbery but I saw Castillo carry this fight to a UD win.

Only the haters will look at that fight and say 'Floyd lost'. It was a tough fight where we saw a lot of leather landing on Floyd, but the ring generalship, the accurate punching, and the defensive counter shots carried the fight for Floyd. Quite simply put, he took a rematch right away and removed all doubt.

it wasn't a robbery, I had castillo winning by landing much more effective punches and bombing floyd's body..but I have no problem with a scorecard from floyd by one round, to a draw, or to castillo by one round. anything else is pretty much a joke i had floyd winning the rematch by a wide margin.

It's considered by some a robbery because of Mayweather getting the nod by such wide margins. There's no way he won that fight by 4 or 5 points, that's indisputable. Castillo got no respect from the judges. I agree. The wide score for me was an issue but not who won the fight. Floyd had to fight more of a Castillo style fight to edge out a win late.

Fight was close but it was in no way a robbery..... I scored it a draw first time I saw it then watched it again without the sound on (no commentary and crowd influence) and had Mayweather up 7 rounds. You'd be surprise how much the commentary affects your perception of the fight particularly the HBO team . Doesn't matter though Mayweather beat him convincingly in the 2nd fight. It's considered by some a robbery because of Mayweather getting the nod by such wide margins. There's no way he won that fight by 4 or 5 points, that's indisputable. Castillo got no respect from the judges.

The body work Castillo displayed in this fight seemingly goes unnoticed. I thought he dominated the middle rounds and won the fight because of it.

So you are putting words in my mouth? I never said Castillo was the best loser, I thought he won. He did what I posted and like I said, people seem to ignore the QUALITY of punches in the fight. It's like the recent Chavez Jr vs Zbik fight, totally different type of fight but people thought Zbik got robbed because he out landed Chaves Jr but you also need to take a look at QUALITY of shots landed. I thought Castillo won a close fight and then was easily beaten in the rematch and that shows Mayweather's ability to adjust, one of his best qualities as a fighter. NOt putting words in your mouth I actually agree with the points you made I just saw the outcome differently. Especially cconsidering floyd broke his hand midway thru the fight. I think that is why the quality of his shots weren't as good, he was clearly protecting his hand. IMO, Castillo's performance was unexpected. But I thought he lost the 1st fight. I thought the Judges scored it a lil high.

I felt Castillo pressed the action, landed the more effective shots and had Mayweather on the ropes more than we are used to seeing. Interesting point. Its clear Castillo performed better than anyone ever had against Mayweather. But being the best loser doesn't make you a winner. I thought floyd won but the scorecard was too wide. So you are putting words in my mouth? I never said Castillo was the best loser, I thought he won. He did what I posted and like I said, people seem to ignore the QUALITY of punches in the fight. It's like the recent Chavez Jr vs Zbik fight, totally different type of fight but people thought Zbik got robbed because he out landed Chaves Jr but you also need to take a look at QUALITY of shots landed. I thought Castillo won a close fight and then was easily beaten in the rematch and that shows Mayweather's ability to adjust, one of his best qualities as a fighter.