I have seen so many comments about Saul Alvarez only fighting "Eurobums" where has this obsession come from? He's fought 30 odd fights and only about 3 have been European. And if people are worried about him fighting only hand picked opposition, whats the relevance of their nationality? Would it be OK if he fought Ameribums or Mexibums?
Canelo is not dominated Bundrage. Lets be real. Alvares is becoming overrated by most of people on here.
And, Canelo best chance to beat Angulo is to fight him now. Since Angulo might be rusty. Because, if Angulo gets the chance to remove the rust he might have gotten. Then he beats the brakes off Canelo.
a showdown with Angulo in Mexico makes me drool...from reports that ive read, the WBC was planning on having an eliminator bout between Rhodes and Angulo with the winner taking on Canelo...instead, they gave it to Rhodes immediately...Suliaman probably already knew the outcome of a Rhodes-Angulo fight
if that can't happen, like IronDan said, take on another titlist in K-9...that fight would intrigue me as wellAngulo's a decent next step, however one-dimensional he may be. Bundrage is a bit "meh". Stopped twice, outpointed by a blown-up Stevie Forbes, losing to Foreman before the fight was ruled a no-contest. Those are the excuses you're likely to hear should Canelo dominate him in the fashion of his last few fights, at any rate.
i can agree with that...the Hatton fight was worse and this one was more decent than that
remember a couple of years back when HBO had all these guys mixing it up? Angulo-Cintron, Cintron-Martinez, Williams-Cintron, Martinez-Williams?
it was a great time for the division...now Alvarez gets in, i'd like to see that type of round robin action again...bring Canelo in that mix...not the Matt Hattons of the world
I agree.
Golden Boy and Jose Sulaiman are probably scared to death of Alvarez losing knowing that this kid has the potential to be a star. But at some point, he has a step up, they have given him a Belt, he has had his title defence agaisnt a not great but solid opponent, now it's time to really step up and fight at the world level.
A fight with Cintron I wouldn't mind now you bring that up. Angulo wouldbe great, K9 would be cool, maybe even Vanes. Down the line he could fight Cotto or someone. Who know's, but he has to step up from now.
i'll admit that i downplayed Rhodes' power because it was never on display in the fight...an outgunned opponent who forgot to bring his gun, it didn't matter to me what he's done in the past..i saw nothing from the guy last night
Matt Hatton was at least trying but didn't have the pop...this guy Rhodes, as you guys say, had the pop but wasn't trying...its been one or the other
get me someone that will try and has pop...doesn't seem like a big request
everyone boasts of Canelo's advanced composure, patience, ring IQ...how he's 'mature' beyond his years, and i agree...that's why enough of the babying bullsh1t...this kids needs to take it to the next level...we're not talkin about Chavez Jr here...we've got a bon-a-fide star in the making and these sparring sessions on HBO arent doing anything for me
Rhodes didn't sit down on his punches, for some reason. Probably because like he has stated he was starstruck by Alvarez' power and was scared to death of getting cracked in the face. And, after the 4th, he really wasn't willing to make it a tough fight.
This probably has something to do with Alvarez being the best, and probably most powerful fighter he has fought. Even at 34 and a 15+ year career he still isn't really a 'veteran' so to speak. And wasn't up for the occasion and wasn't willing to risk getting KO'd to sit down on his shots. Along with the fact that that really isn't Ryan Rhodes' style anyway.
Difference is, Matthew Hatton, another fighter I have had to endure over the past decade, is a sh*t fighter. And probably isn't even in Rhodes leauge even.
Yeah, he tried, he was more gutsy than Rhodes, but firstly he's a WW and secondly he's ****. That fight was astronomically worse than this fight. Rhodes, on the other hand, is capabale at 154 and a much better fighter than Hatton.
I agree with what you're saying and Rhodes isn't the best fighter he could have fought and it's about time he steps up. But, you have to atleast adknowledge that Rhodes, at this point, is a step up for Alvarez. And not that bad of a win for him.
Let's just hope he does step up now. I'd love to see him fight Angulo next, a fight I think he can win.
First of all the way Alvarez won the title was a joke. His level of comp before fighting for the tile was blah at best. And, him being so young was the excuse. But, now winning the title the age can not be used as an excuse anymore. He's a titlist and that it. Saying that, I thought fighting Rhodes on his first defense was good. It was a legit fight and step up for him. Because, again his level of comp before Rhodes was not good. Fighting Mayorga next if that happens that would be a joke to me. He would deserve major criticism for taking such fight.
the WBC loves you...you would have been ok if it was Jamie Moore instead of Rhodes because he would have been the #1 contender
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i dont mind being embarrassed for asking for better fightsI'm a fan of boxing, so yeah, I'm ok with a guy like Rhodes getting his final shot at a title. I'm disappointed in his performance, but I wasn't expecting him win anyhow. Outside of Hatton, who only ever got the fight thanks to his name, those are respectable enough opponents for a 20 year old fighter. Forget how many fights he's had; he's a young fighter being groomed for great things, and he's slowly but steadily being stepped up in competition. Now after displaying how far above the likes of Rhodes he is, it's definitely time to step him up again, perhaps against somebody like Angulo, Chavez or even Cotto, in the unlikely event that Arum would even consider those last two fights.
Out of interest, who should Alvarez have been fighting instead of Rhodes? And try to keep it realistic.
Dan, im just gonna get to the bottom of my beef and say that they should stop matching Canelo with non-threats...which is what they've been doing for quite some time now...time for a litmus test IMO...someone like Angulo
I agree.
I would like to see him step up to world level now considering he was literally given a world title in one of the most shameless ways I have ever seen in my lifetime.
Against an Angulo or a K9 or I don't know just a higher level at this point. Considering he holds a title now.
But, Rhodes, atleast was a step up from Matthew Hatton and is one of, if not the best fighter he has fought to this date. A solid fighter who earned his title shot going through eliminators etc to get it. And, I was simply responding to your claim that Rhodes is featherfisted, something he simply is not.
But I do agree that it's about time Canelo stepped up now because the last 2 fighters he has fought were simply out of his league.
Hatton, I was strongly against. Rhodes, I'm ok with, for now. As long as he steps up from here.
you're right...i shouldn't have downplayed that GREAT victory by Canelo over mighty Ryan Rhodes...lemme know when he gets to CanastotaWho here is making it out to be a "GREAT" victory over a "mighty" opponent? All people are saying is that it was a good performance against a reasonably solid opponent, who was ultimately outgunned and outclassed by the bigger, fresher fighter. Which is exactly what it was.
a titlist with 37 fights already...lets baby him some more!A 20 year old titlist who just fought the no.1 contender in his first defence. I could understand your point if 5 defences down the line he's still fighting the Matthew Hatton's of the sport, but Rhodes is a legitimate opponent for your first defence of a title. You're simply embarrassing yourself now.
if a fighter has shown 'decent' power against mediocre opposition but cant/wont use it in the biggest spotlight, then he might as well be featherfisted
my apologies to all the Ryan Rhodes fans that i might have offended by laughing at the 'threat' he brought to the table last nightIt's more your lack of a boxing brain that's offensive. But that's cool dude, apology accepted.
me a Canelo hater? dafukkoutta here wit that sh1t clown
the difference between you and me is that i can criticize fighters i like you...unlike you, i can put the pom poms down and call bullsh1t
I'm not even a big Canelo fan moron, I can just see what your blinded hatred won't allow you to. He's a 20 year old work in progress, it's not his fault he's this popular and the spotlight is already on him.
Give the kid some slack... Everyone can't have a mega fight every time they get in the ring and I think he showcased some good skill last night... Looking forward to see him fight more in the future
if a fighter has shown 'decent' power against mediocre opposition but cant/wont use it in the biggest spotlight, then he might as well be featherfisted
my apologies to all the Ryan Rhodes fans that i might have offended by laughing at the 'threat' he brought to the table last night
I don't know why you're trolling these boards and spamming with your Canelo hate so much. Nobody is saying Rhodes was a great legacy defining win, but to say he's just some feather fisted bum is absurd. Canelo is only 20 freakin' years old!
I have seen so many comments about Saul Alvarez only fighting "Eurobums" where has this obsession come from? He's fought 30 odd fights and only about 3 have been European. And if people are worried about him fighting only hand picked opposition, whats the relevance of their nationality? Would it be OK if he fought Ameribums or Mexibums?
eurobums are worse than ameribums or mexibums
i saw the same Canelo that got rocked by Cotto's little brother, who i dont consider a big puncher, eating Rhodes' shots like they were lovetapsThat's a really dumb way to assess a fighter's punching power. Forgetting the fact that Alvarez got caught very early against Cotto, Rhodes didn't put his punches together in a way that allowed him to make any impression on Canelo. The little he did land, he landed in single shots, and more often than not he didn't seem to throw with full conviction for fear of what was coming back. Cotto caught Canelo early, who was being a bit reckless in that first round. He was far from reckless against Rhodes.
Incidentally, Juan Diaz took Katsidis' punches well, but he was rocked by a shot from Malignaggi. So by your rationale, this means that Katsidis must have no power whatsoever.
canelo's opponents have sucked. but they have been only slightly less suckier than STEROIDGIO MARTINEZ's opponents. by the same retarded logic, sergiosexuals shud b annointing canelo #2 P4P KING.
What a load of nonsense Martinez is class!
So Williams , Pavlik , Dzinziruk , Cintron are bums?...get a life!
As for Rhodes hes european level at best and i never gave him a chance at winning this fight.. him and Hatton are good steady quality opponents there not bums but by no means are the tp 10 fighters!
On a side note I don't giver barker much chance against Martinez.... Martinez is a beast!
tell me Pistol, how many of those KOs did you witness and tell something about those fighters that he KOd
since you know, you're an expert on Rhodes' magnificent KO legacy
Rhodes isn't the best fighter in the world and although Top 10 at 154 he was certainly out his league with Canelo. But, he isn't feather fisted.
Before you ask, I have been watching him since 1995.
tell me Pistol, how many of those KOs did you witness and tell something about those fighters that he KOd
since you know, you're an expert on Rhodes' magnificent KO legacyI've seen a number of Ryan Rhodes fights, and he has reasonable, albeit slightly overrated punching power. He's not a world class fighter, but nor is he a bum. He's certainly a more accomplished fighter than Matthew Hatton for instance. I didn't share the optimism of many here who thought he had a realistic chance at stopping Alvarez, but this is nonetheless
one of Canelo's more impressive performances. Rhodes was gunshy, largely due to the power and accuracy of his opponent.
At his age Canelo is being moved along just fine. The problem even though it is no fault of his own was the bs belt that Golden Boy and the WBC gave to him which will raise expectations and have fight fans losing patience if he is moved along the right way.
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