If Carl Froch was American he'd be top 10 P4P

Bingo! Same with my favorite, Lucian Bute!!!

My point is he was shiit. Its just somones opinion. I have my own opinion and thats all I follow. As do I,but there is always going to be a P4P list you would go to in the heat of an argument and the ring is the most respected one is all I'm saying..If I'm having an argument about who should go on a P4P list with my friend and we can't seem to get pass it..I would turn to the Ring rankings,it would be the first place I would go..It would be the first place most would go..

So what's ya point??At the moment he was hot and could not get a fight to save his life..I really did not have a problem with him being there at the time..The time is the key to when certain guys were/are on the list..Anyway The Ring is the most respected ranking so like I said I'll go by umm..Even if I have my own ranking..I'll take theirs as the one to follow.. My point is he was shiit. Its just somones opinion. I have my own opinion and thats all I follow.

This is a very true thread. Froch has a better resume than some people on the P4P list. No I don't think so, but he is very close to pfp status. He lost to kessler and he WAS losing against Taylor. There's no shame in that though, I hate the guy and always cheer against him. BUT!!!! He has proven he is a very very good fighter. If he beats andre ward, he has to be in the lower half of the PFP rankings

I dont give a shiiit what Ring says. They had Celistino Caballero high on their list...fuk that! So what's ya point??At the moment he was hot and could not get a fight to save his life..I really did not have a problem with him being there at the time..The time is the key to when certain guys were/are on the list..Anyway The Ring is the most respected ranking so like I said I'll go by umm..Even if I have my own ranking..I'll take theirs as the one to follow..

http://www.peta-sucks.com/smf/Smileys/alternate/this_thread_sucks.gif Because there's so many Americans oat in their last 3 fights on the pfp list. Brilliant!!!

You always say this but the Ring is the respected list and the one most everyone goes by..It's as official as it get's bro.. I dont give a shiiit what Ring says. They had Celistino Caballero high on their list...fuk that!

Carl Froch is a top 10 p4p fighter. Ring Magazine is not an official list to say so it is nonsensical its writers and editors make mistakes they suffer from inconsistency and bias which is not uncommon I take there P4P list with a pinch of salt I certainly don’t put so much stock into it whatsoever.

That's because there are not many really good American boxers these days. There shouldn't be ANY in the top ten P4P right now, since Floyd is inactive, except maybe Hopkins. Totally disagree here,Ward B-Hop and Bradley all deserve to be in the list bro..Bradley two time unified Champ and undefeated..Ward undefeated and has dominated threw out the tourney(with the exception of Bika imo)and B-Hop for obvious reason's...Every American on the list deserves to be there..

Who said he isnt top 10 p4p? P4p is subjective and mythical. Theres no official list. You always say this but the Ring is the respected list and the one most everyone goes by..It's as official as it get's bro..

If he was a shade darker, you'd have him in your top 10 p4p, wouldn't you? You should support your UK boxers regardless of race. No, he shouldn't. Not if he doesn't want to.

taylor: fair play he got the KO, but dont forget he was on his way to a loss. dirrell: even whilst on the run he outboxed froch and hurt him, froch hit thin air all night. kessler: close fight but he still lost. abraham: most people were picking him???! abraham is not a super middleweight. johnson: had 14 losses. age 42. so how is he top ten p4p?! The Taylor fight was close going down the Championship rds..Froch got the KO he needed like a Champion would..End of story.. Dirrell fought like a women and did not outbox anybody,he did more hugging and running then he did any boxing..Froch was never hurt in that fight,he was hit off balance but he was not hurt..I will show ya hurt at the end of my post.. Kessler was a close fight that could have went either way,if either fighter won you could have not been mad imo.. AA was favored by fans and boxing analyst alike...Nobody really was giving Froch a chance unless you were a fan of his and he not only won but imo he was the best one too beat AA..He took the fewest punches and had AA really lumped up as well.. Johnson I don't want to hear about his age..Johnson was old when he fought Dawson and Jones..Johnson has been old for sometime now and has still found ways to win..Froch beating Johnson the way he did was impressive.. Pascal was a great fight and was FOTY kinda action in it..Froch clearly won this fight..Froch deserves to be on the list over other fighters who are on there currently tbh..But I can't be made that he is not... This is a fighter who is hurt..The worst I've ever seen Froch was buzzed never hurt..

Who said he isnt top 10 p4p? P4p is subjective and mythical. Theres no official list.

I usually disagree with nationalistic threads, but this one is true. Froch would be top 10 no doubt if he was American.

True Story :wave: I don't think so,I mean the only reason Ward is P4P at the moment is because he is undefeated and has been pretty dominate threw out the tourney..Froch has a great resume but he also has not been as dominate and has a loss..I think Froch wins the whole thing tbh and I have him on my P4P list ahead of Ward but I totally understand why he is not on the official list..It has nothing to do with him not being American..

Pascal Taylor (Taylor in his last 2 fights fought 22 great rounds) Dirrell (Coulda went either way, Froch got it though) Kessler (Close defeat) Abraham (Most fans picked against Froch) Glen (tough fight for anyone out there) How can that run not be P4P worthy? Fukkin Hopkins has 1 significant win since 08 against a Froch victim and they put him on it? Thats a joke, it makes a mockery of the sport. Paul Williams was as high as 3-4 after a ****ty loss and clutch of wins over hasbeens. The lists bias towards American fighters. taylor: fair play he got the KO, but dont forget he was on his way to a loss. dirrell: even whilst on the run he outboxed froch and hurt him, froch hit thin air all night. kessler: close fight but he still lost. abraham: most people were picking him???! abraham is not a super middleweight. johnson: had 14 losses. age 42. so how is he top ten p4p?!

bollocks. even if he was an alien from space he still wouldnt be top ten p4p.

No, he wouldn't. He'd be in the same position as he is now.

True Story :wave: haha i serve misinformed euro-centrics on the daily the biggest fighters in the states of recent memory have not been american and they don't have a primarily american fanbase most of our most popular fighters come from ethnic backgrounds, and may or may not even come from the states cotto, pacquiao, tito, even oscar all had fan-bases that were ethnic (for oscar it was screaming latino girls..), or even based in another country hell, if you're not of an ethnic background in the states it hurts your sales at the box office the best fans we have in the states in terms of supporting their fighters by buying tickets are the mexican american ones. if froch never lost to kessler, he'd likely be in the top ten but he lost to kessler (by about a point on my card if i remember correctly,) while andre ward was able to completely dominate him and make him consider retiring froch has one of the best run's in the sport going right now i have no problem with 11-15 on the p4p but he lost to dirrell on my card (he lost more rounds, and landed hardly any clean punches while dirrell was clocking him on the face with combinations, even if dirrell ran and fought scared most of the night and he officially lost to kessler the next "stars" that are coming along are chavez and alvarez they don't even speak english in summation: lots of you casual euro fans have zero idea what goes on over here in terms of the boxing pedigree that is imported and non-american, they point out the "inequities" in our boxing coverage in an attempt to make their own domestic scene seem better and make it appear as though we intentionally display a lack of interest for fighters from the UK (especially those who don't make it out of the UK) and carl froch is not a top 10 p4p fighter until he can beat andre ward which i highly doubt, but wouldn't completely discount think about it... you fight your way out of europe through good performances and fanbuilding you don't fight your way out of the states boxing's peak is here, it doesn't get any better our coverage isn't ethnocentric, it's based on talent we watch and admire and suppor the best fighters over here they could be blue and from mars, it does not matter. the best have been fighting here for as long as boxing has been modern we've gotten used to it to discount a great fighter simply because of his origin is foolish. froch is slow and can be hit. he's got to do more (beat ward) to get in the top 10 for me they are fighting soon until then you all need to quit complaining and act like you've been there and have had champions before

If Manny was American he'd be #1 P4P. Oh, wait...