If Ortiz Is Better Than Pacuiao

So, why then would Floyd need a tune up fight before fighting Pac when Floyd is going the better fighter in Ortiz after a long vacation? Answer: Cuz Floyd will go on vacation again for more than a year. Then announce he will be coming back, fight another opponent who he can beat(no matter what the age or coming of a win or not). Then if Pac is already showing the wear and tear and suffers a defeat, then Floyd is gonna fight Pac. But if Pac is still winning, then he will go on vacation again.

Pacquiao would destroy Ortiz and anybody who thinks different is crazy. He's been knocked down how many times? He's still open for counter punches, still thrives on exchanges. The only reason the Ortiz/May fight is kind of interesting is because I don't expect Floyd to be able to hurt Ortiz and finish him. Pac would hurt Ortiz often and eventually take him out for good. Say what you want to say about Floyd, he hasn't stopped anybody other than Hatton in a long long time. He punches hard enough to make you respect him and that's it.

Look at Ortiz fights prior to Berto.. Look at Bertos fights prior to Ortiz.. Easy to see where these two are.. B level fighters nowhere near the elite level IMO

Pacman has the benefit of the doubt.Pacman's resume is far far greater,but head to head,no one can say for certain who is better.That's real talk.Fans might say that Ortiz isn't in Pacman's league & whatever else,but the reality is that Pacman hasn't fought a live opponent since Cotto,Ortiz has.Now anyone can assume that Berto wouldn't beat Pacman,even I don't think he could.But I don't know for sure.What I do know is that Ortiz beat Berto,who arguably is better than Clottey,Margarito,Mosley & Marquez at the weight Pacman fought them at & the time he did. Stop hyping Ortiz so that your coward queen wins against him will look good. Only fool and the dumb flomos will believe on that.:baby:

When you post like that you make yourself open for response. I mean what do you expect. And I am arguing that he is not. Absolutely not.U took that how U wanted to & responded accordingly.I was clear in what I typed bro.Like I said Berto is arguably better than Clottey,Margarito & Mosley period.Ortiz beat him.Pacman never did.So realistically it can be argued that Ortiz may be better than Pacman.Especially with the Floyd fight lying in the cut.

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No guy,U posted the bold.I never said he was better,I said arguably.(That means it can be argued that he was better).So I told U to go find out what arguably means before U come in assuming the bold. When you post like that you make yourself open for response. I mean what do you expect. And I am arguing that he is not.

your an idiot ,kthxbye Pactard logic,no sensible comeback,call names run away.

Can U please point out where I made it sound like that,thanks. Yeah,pactard logic hard at work right there.

What gave you the conclusion that Ortiz is better than Marg and Clottey in the first place when Ortiz only had 1 fight at WW. And he fought a hyped up, protected, paper champion in Berto.. Ortiz is not even a successful Junior Welter. There are like 4-5 guys who are better than him in that division... Plus Pac fought Margarito and Clottey when they were still one of the top guys in that division. Losing against another top WW does not diminish your standings in that division. That what happens when the best fights the best. They were not losing to anyone else except themselves. Arguably,U obviously don't know what it means.Go take up literature & come holla when U get a clue. No guy,U posted the bold.I never said he was better,I said arguably.(That means it can be argued that he was better).So I told U to go find out what arguably means before U come in assuming the bold.

Margarito was not even ranked and Clottey was a top 5 and lost his previous fight hardly a top guy in the division the HBO hype job Berto was ranked higher then both at WW. as for Margarito he is not a threat anymore and saying Ortiz is the better fighter right now is an understatement Margarito was not ranked because he was suspended for a year. When he lost to Mosley his rankings went down slightly but he was still there because Mosley himself was a top WW..No one defeated him to lose that rankings. Clottey was in the top 5 but at least he fought the top WW in that division. Berto cruise his way to the top because either the fighters were losing, or moving up in weight. He was undeafeted and in the rankings because he had the belt and is fighting nobody of significance.

and who did berto fought? , you make it sound like berto was fighting the better oppositions , your looking like an idiot Can U please point out where I made it sound like that,thanks.

Whoooo,a boxing discussion that doesn't discuss boxing,wow.ur smart.Blind man & idiots,but no boxing,hmmmmmm,well then.................................... You're a moron. I was responding to your non-boxing response..If you really had any thought of making this a boxing discussion instead of sounding like as if your ass was hust handed to you, then you would have replied to my previous post properly.

What gave you the conclusion that Ortiz is better than Marg and Clottey in the first place when Ortiz only had 1 fight at WW. And he fought a hyped up, protected, paper champion in Berto.. Ortiz is not even a successful Junior Welter. There are like 4-5 guys who are better than him in that division... Plus Pac fought Margarito and Clottey when they were still one of the top guys in that division. Losing against another top WW does not diminish your standings in that division. That what happens when the best fights the best. They were not losing to anyone else except themselves. Margarito was not even ranked and Clottey was a top 5 and lost his previous fight hardly a top guy in the division the HBO hype job Berto was ranked higher then both at WW. as for Margarito he is not a threat anymore and saying Ortiz is the better fighter right now is an understatement

You giving me pointers is like getting directions from a blind man. You are an idiot so why would I even consider that statement seriously... Whoooo,a boxing discussion that doesn't discuss boxing,wow.ur smart.Blind man & idiots,but no boxing,hmmmmmm,well then....................................

"Now anyone can assume that Berto wouldn't beat Pacman,even I don't think he could.But I don't know for sure.What I do know is that Ortiz beat Berto,who arguably is better than Clottey,Margarito,Mosley & Marquez at the weight Pacman fought them at & the time he did." por jus santo amigo , what are you trying to imply ? that ortiz might actually be better cause he fought a hypejob in berto , i know it wasnt said but in context i can blatantly see where your going , im not trying to get in a war , i just call it as it is Read that again,then come C me.I don't know If Ortiz is better,but he has a claim to discussion.Most wave him off.I won't.Remember while Berto was at welterweight racking up wins,Pacman was fighting Clottey who only beat Judah & Corrales,Margarito a proven cheat & Mosley who was clearly shot 1 year before.Facts,by the way.

Arguably,U obviously don't know what it means.Go take up literature & come holla when U get a clue. You giving me pointers is like getting directions from a blind man. You are an idiot so why would I even consider that statement seriously...

Because Roger is floyds fan, and floyds fan are known to be retarded

What gave you the conclusion that Ortiz is better than Marg and Clottey in the first place when Ortiz only had 1 fight at WW. And he fought a hyped up, protected, paper champion in Berto.. Ortiz is not even a successful Junior Welter. There are like 4-5 guys who are better than him in that division... Plus Pac fought Margarito and Clottey when they were still one of the top guys in that division. Losing against another top WW does not diminish your standings in that division. That what happens when the best fights the best. They were not losing to anyone else except themselves. Arguably,U obviously don't know what it means.Go take up literature & come holla when U get a clue.

i dont think ortiz is better than pac but i think he could beat pac. just like i dont think pac is necessarily better than floid but i think he'd beat him. ima sucker for the "styles make fights" i guess.