where do you rank hopkins all time NOW??

Top 25 all time for sure,i can make a case for top ten. No he's not, and no you can't. Top 50, no higher than 40, and that's being generous.

Plenty of names could be added to that. Just off the dome..

I don't have a top 25 list but I can name 25 fighters that can be considered greater than Bhop: Robinson Langford Greb Armstrong Charles Pep Leonard Leonard Booker Hagler Moore Walker Gans Duran Whitaker Burley Jofre Gavilan Lamotta Nelson Arguello Ross Mclarnin Napoles Rosenbloom Tunney Hearns Walcott Jones Chavez Villa Steele Olivares Ortiz Williams Spinks Not even naming heavyweights. Plenty of names could be added to that.

From there age?Bhop is whooping 28 yearolds at home and winning titles. And i have actually fought buddy i am not discrediting any fighter of the past i am just making a case for hop,i want to see your top 25 of alltime that would be interesting. I don't have a top 25 list but I can name 25 fighters that can be considered greater than Bhop: Robinson Langford Greb Armstrong Charles Pep Leonard Leonard Booker Hagler Moore Walker Gans Duran Whitaker Burley Jofre Gavilan Lamotta Nelson Arguello Ross Mclarnin Napoles Rosenbloom Tunney Hearns Walcott Jones Chavez Villa Steele Olivares Ortiz Williams Spinks Not even naming heavyweights. Hatton still drinks a lot. Anyway man to true fans going at each others throats is a pointless fight,you know your shiet so do i,give me some videos you think i have never seen and i will check them out,were here to learn from each other not hate. Check out some Freddie Steele (one of the more underrated middleweight greats), should be some stuff on youtube.

I can argue that strongly,outside of Roy Jones Jr who i have top 25 also,who has beat hop legit,every fight he has lost is highly questionable. That doesn't matter. He still isn't a Top 25 all time great and there is very little argument for him being one.

its just another supplement,dudes back in the days used speed,every era has had its offenders. You've lost me. I said H2H means little to greatness. By 'H2H' I mean 'Head to head match ups'.

Bernard Hopkins is not a Top 25 all time great.

Thats what i meant. Then you agree H2H means little in terms of greatness?

Who besides Mayorga smokes.i also noticed you bypassed my other two posts.I can watch 90 percent of Hopkins fights online and break them down,with the oldschool fighters you may get a few fights,but like in ssrs resume wheres all the battles with lamotta was lamotta weight drained was he past it no footage how can you tell what went on.Guys like Arum say Pacs the best ever he is old as sht and watched those fights you talk about live. They might take drugs behind closed doors, hell I thought Pea beat Oscar and Leonard went on to do great things after sniffing blow. Ricky Hatton use to drink a lot. Why would I bypass your posts?

Out of the two Saddler had his number.in modern terms its like Forrestt Mosley. And who is greater out of Shane Mosley and Vernon Forrest? The same goes for Pep. Regardless to the fact Saddler beat him 3 times, Pep is by far the greater fighter.

IMO B-Hop is the greatest fighter of the last 20 years & is the greatest of the active fighters.Top 30 alltime atg.

how much footage do you have on these guys,everyone you list is 80s and before like many historians you overrate their colective accomplishments. With the exception of Greb and Flowers, I've seen footage of all the fighters, not that it really matters since I go by resume. You used Pea and Chavez fights with Oscar? I don't need to see the fights to know they were past prime, like i don't need to have seen Duran beat Leonard to know its an amazing win, footage can help buts its not essential for judging a resume. Please elaborate on how I've overrated these fighters in comparison to Hopkins with detailed looks at the resumes of STFU.

Who besides Mayorga smokes.i also noticed you bypassed my other two posts.I can watch 90 percent of Hopkins fights online and break them down,with the oldschool fighters you may get a few fights,but like in ssrs resume wheres all the battles with lamotta was lamotta weight drained was he past it no footage how can you tell what went on.Guys like Arum say Pacs the best ever he is old as sht and watched those fights you talk about live. Every single fight since Bob Arum has been involved in Boxing has been televised.

Willie Pep Vs Sandy Saddler series is black and white reasoning to why H2H match up's have very little meaning in ranking greatness. Saddler beat Pep 3 out of 4 times. Yet, there is quite literally no argument to dispute that Willie Pep is the greater fighter of the two.

Floyd is not a better fighter than Pac because he is more skilled. How often do you get two people who fight, and its not the one with skills who wins the fight. If you have amazing skills but you have no power, or chin, or speed, or heart. Lets for example say there are many fighters more skilled than Pac, you cant call them better fighters, because Pac would beat the bejesus out of them, regardless of Pacs resume or accomplishments. Sorry this is about BH isnt it? the fukk??????you bout to make the ignore list son

Floyd is not a better fighter than Pac because he is more skilled. How often do you get two people who fight, and its not the one with skills who wins the fight. Having skills is one thing, but can you utilize it come fight night? We will find that out when Floyd fights pac. If you have amazing skills but you have no power, or chin, or speed, or heart. Lets for example say there are many fighters more skilled than Pac, you cant call them better fighters, because Pac would beat the bejesus out of them, regardless of your skills. JMM was supposedly more skilled than Pac. Are we saying JMM is a better fighter than Pac as well now? Sorry this is about BH isnt it?

Monzon Greb Robinson Hagler Fitzsimmons Are all catergorically greater Middleweights than Bernard Hopkins. To go further we have; Ketchel Burley Tiger Lamotta Who I all have above Hopkins at Middleweight personally. There is most definitely a strong argument for him being in the Top 10 at MW. I have him at #10. But Top 5? Like I said. No chance. Other fighters who could argubally be above him are; Cerdan Steele Flowers etc etc etc. thanks man..that was a educated post

Give me a good example between two fighters. Pac and Floyd, Pac is the greater fighter. He's resume and accomplishment is greater than Floyd. However, Floyd is the better fighter, he's more skilled. And, in a H2H match up Floyd probably would win. But, if we're talking about who's greater. It's Pac. And, there is others. Like Ricardo Lopez who's very skilled. Maybe the best most skilled little man of all time. But, he's resume is not that great. That makes it very hard to rank him. We really don't know how good skilled Greb. I haven't seen any tapes of his fights. So we don't know how good he was. We have some kind of idea but really don't know. However, we know how great he was because of his resume.

why not???atleast you're listing names..break it down for me Monzon Greb Robinson Hagler Fitzsimmons Are all catergorically greater Middleweights than Bernard Hopkins. To go further we have; Ketchel Burley Tiger Lamotta Who I all have above Hopkins at Middleweight personally. There is most definitely a strong argument for him being in the Top 10 at MW. I have him at #10. But Top 5? Like I said. No chance. Other fighters who could argubally be above him are; Cerdan Steele Flowers etc etc etc.

Not saying that,but it was not uncommon to see a fighter smoking after a fight,or drinking heavily. Some fighters smoke and drink today, most didn't back then, point void, not that it even matters that much, performance in the ring is all that matters.