Is Ortiz a Poor mans Cotto?

Cotto and Ortiz aren't that a like. Ortiz looks like a bigger puncher. Southpaw. He's more of a head hunter. Cotto is a much better boxer. Better Jab. Fights Orthodox. More of Body puncher. Aren't that alike? They are polar opposites.

Cotto would put ortiz to sleep in 6 rounds. I give ortiz 0 chance to win this fight. this fight is a joke. Only good thing though is that floyd is fighting again. when you say he is fighting again.....i hope you understand he's going to fight then go in hiatus for a year + so that means......he'll be getting older and very less likely to fight pac.

Skills pay the bills. Cotto has the skills, Ortiz doesn't. All I want to see is a good fight and Cotto deserves it

At this stage, and at 147 pounds (the weight Mayweather currently fights at!!!) Ortiz is probably better than Cotto. Cotto is at 154 pounds right now, and hasn't had a tough fight since MP. Not to mention he got beat up by Manny, Margarito and Clottey (even though he won that). Throw in some other rough fights at 140 and he's almost ready to call it a day. Let's be real, we all know if Floyd signed to fight Cotto at 147 today, he would just get accused of draining Cotto and fighting damaged goods. Which is why it is so lame that Mayweather Jr. picked to retire after the Hatton fight before fighting Cotto, which was literally the one fight on the welterweight radar that REALLY mattered at the time. Both were undefeated, in their primes, ranked one and two at 147 and were both included on The Ring's P4P list. Blah, that really was the first fight that Floyd did not take in his career that I considered to be detrimental to the assessment of his resume. By not fighting Cotto, he missed a big opportunity to get the best win of his career most likely (I do think I'd place it above Corrales and Castillo, which I regard as his top two right now).

The bigger question is why he never fought, or sought to fight Cotto or Margarito. Both a level above Ortiz. Floyd seems to like fighting C level fighters.

Why doesn't Floyd just fight Cotto? Is it because he lives too far? At this stage, and at 147 pounds (the weight Mayweather currently fights at!!!) Ortiz is probably better than Cotto. Cotto is at 154 pounds right now, and hasn't had a tough fight since MP. Not to mention he got beat up by Manny, Margarito and Clottey (even though he won that). Throw in some other rough fights at 140 and he's almost ready to call it a day. Let's be real, we all know if Floyd signed to fight Cotto at 147 today, he would just get accused of draining Cotto and fighting damaged goods.

WTF Cotto is shot, stop acting like he isn't. Let's define two terms that can describe a boxer in the time after they leave their prime: Shot - Showing up and being incapable of putting up a remotely credible fighting effort. See Mike Tyson in the fights before he lost twice to Holyfield. Past Their Prime - Having one or more aspects that made a fighter as good as they were during their prime being slightly diminished, decreasing their performance by a noticeable margin, but not rendering them incapable of fighting well anymore. See Mike Tyson in his fights after he lost twice to Holyfield. People usually the word shot to describe boxers so liberally is probably my number one pet peeve about fans of the sport... the common tendency shared by so many of them to write a fighter off after one or two less than perfect performances... :nonono:.

WTF Cotto is shot, stop acting like he isn't.

Ortiz and Cotto really don't have too much in common, other than having suspect chins and both can be considered boxer/punchers, except that Ortiz punches more and Cotto boxes more. Ortiz is explosive and has more power, better stamina and workrate. Cotto is the better skilled boxer, more focused with a bigger heart. I have to give a shout out to you having Randy Savage as your avatar. I haven't been that upset about the death of a celebrity in quite a long time. Macho Man was one of my favorite wrestlers throughout my life, and he single-handedly makes sitting through any graduation ceremony more bearable because of the memories Pomp and Circumstance brings. Ortiz is definitely not a 140 guy, this boy is HUGE! Look at his size compared to even Berto, he's really big. People who come into a welterweight fight in great shape and 13 pounds heavier than they weighed at the official weigh-in the day before certainly do not belong in the 140 pound division. It's almost a certainty at this point that weight drain issues contributed to his poor performance against Peterson, if not other fights that happened previous to that.

I love when ppl say things like this. When was the last time cotto looked good? Lets stop fooling ourselves. Cotto had about a two year run where he was one of.the top guys in the sport. That is no longer the case. His spot as one of the top fighters in the sport is gone. And it seems as if everyone knows it. He hasnt been in a great fight since Pac and it seems that's not changing any time soon. To be fair, I thought he looked pretty good against Pacquiao in the first six rounds or so of their fight, when he was winning most of the rounds or only losing them because he got himself knocked down. I also thought he looked quite good against Yuri Foreman... although that fight tells us almost nothing about how Cotto would behave in a potential fight with Ortiz. Plus, although I didn't see his fight with Mayorga, I have heard he looked pretty good there too, except for a few rough patches. It is also important to keep in mind that Mayorga is a fighter that is difficult to look good against... only De La Hoya has done it if memory serves correctly. Mayorga has made fighters ranging from pretty good to excellent such as Vernon Forrest, Cory Spinks, Felix Trinidad, Fernando Vargas (a shot version anyway), and Shane Mosley look bad, so if Cotto looked pretty good, it's close to an excellent performance against Mayorga. Although, it is concerning that Mayorga was losing to Michael Walker before he knocked him out in the 9th round of his comeback fight after losing to Mosley and before he fought Cotto, so who really knows if Cotto's performance had more to do with Cotto or how much Mayorga had left... However, Mayorga is another fighter who does not fight in a very similar fashion to Ortiz (or anyone for that matter), so it's not a great gauge of how a Cotto-Ortiz matchup would look.

Ortiz is definitely not a 140 guy, this boy is HUGE! Look at his size compared to even Berto, he's really big.

Ortiz and Cotto really don't have too much in common, other than having suspect chins and both can be considered boxer/punchers, except that Ortiz punches more and Cotto boxes more. Ortiz is explosive and has more power, better stamina and workrate. Cotto is the better skilled boxer, more focused with a bigger heart.

Cotto would put ortiz to sleep in 6 rounds. I give ortiz 0 chance to win this fight. this fight is a joke. Only good thing though is that floyd is fighting again. I love when ppl say things like this. When was the last time cotto looked good? Lets stop fooling ourselves. Cotto had about a two year run where he was one of.the top guys in the sport. That is no longer the case. His spot as one of the top fighters in the sport is gone. And it seems as if everyone knows it. He hasnt been in a great fight since Pac and it seems that's not changing any time soon.

Cotto would put ortiz to sleep in 6 rounds. I give ortiz 0 chance to win this fight. this fight is a joke. Only good thing though is that floyd is fighting again. I don't know how you are so confident about the outcome of this fight. It's too bad that Cotto seems to be done with the welterweight division, because I think this would be a really excellent fight to watch in terms of relevancy in the sport and in action.

Ok a seruous post by me Mr Dwiens, and welcome back, I reclal you were more regular. Ortiz has his own style, southpaw, kind of bouncy, technically he is OK, and has some speed. He hits like a bull, a big guy. I could tell he was a big guy when he came back at 142 or 144 after the Maidana fight. He bounces a lot, and is predictable when he attacks. He throws decent combo's but is very open to getting hit. His chin is oK, but he does get dropped. His heart van be questioned, but he is no longer such a young boy. Nor is Mayweather that hard a hitter. His speed, is OK, a few figters talk of his speed, but he isn't anywhere near maywrather speed. What I don't like about Ortiz is his mentality. He is weak, hangs out with geeks it seems, and id too goofy and happy. When he got hurt by Naidana, he quit. He let the lead go slowly vs peterson and wasn't even that upset when t was a draw, which Ifeel he won. Mayweather will make this kid cry pre fight. Atta boy, this is a good post. Also, thanks for the welcome back. I did used to be more regular on here, but my interest in boxing has waned a bit, and I really only get motivated to have serious boxing discussion on here when I'm on my ADD meds (which work wonders by the way). Other than that, I just talk to Warp1432 outside of the site, and sometimes The_Bringer and -Hyperion-. I don't necessarily understand why hanging out with "geeks" and being happy outside of the ring is a problem... it certainly didn't hurt Mosley's career very much, if at all. I also am not a fan of people who knock Ortiz for his actions late in the Peterson fight. What he did is called sitting on a lead to win a decision, which is what everyone would regard it as if those idiots judges would have pulled their heads out of their asses and scored the fight correctly. But in reality, I do kind of have a soft spot in my heart for Ortiz, as he is from my home state of Kansas, and is very proud to be from there, almost always sporting the Jayhawk (Kansas University's mascot on the extremely unlikely chance that you never watch college sports). Plus, he seems like a bright/intelligent guy with a good personality (it seems like everyone who has met him says that he is an excellent guy), both of which are kind of a rarity in the sport. I just appreciate fighters who know how to fight and how to conduct themselves in a respectable way in social situations.

Cotto would put ortiz to sleep in 6 rounds. I give ortiz 0 chance to win this fight. this fight is a joke. Only good thing though is that floyd is fighting again.

Cotto has better skills than Ortiz, but Ortiz might be more gifted athletically.

I don't think Ortiz and Cotto fight all the similarly to one another, although I really can't put my finger on the differences between the two. Ortiz does seem like he targets the body less than Cotto does (although when the Mayweather Jr.-Cotto fight was the fight to make, Cotto seemed to have abandoned his body attack for the most part compared to its frequency when he was a prospect on the way up). I think Cotto actually might be a little quicker than Ortiz, although Ortiz seems to excel in his timing both offensively and defensively (minus the random screw ups, like the hard knockdown he sustained against Berto). People who are diming on Ortiz's skills need to get a clue... the guys is very technically solid, and seems to have great presence of mind in determining when is the best time for him to attack, and when it would be detrimental to his chances of winning the round/fight to go at his opponent. I thought his fight with Berto was one of the most complete performances I have seen from a fighter in recent years, except for that hard knockdown he took... although he made up for that mistake in the same round, so it's hard to criticize him for that too much. Great idea, does Mayweather get to drain him to 145 for the fight? Yes and then come in 2lbs heavy @ 147lb for the weigh-in I love how all the Pacquiao and Mayweather Jr. fans have their little jabs down pat... sometimes they are annoying when they fight, but sometimes, like the above example, they can be quite entertaining. Ortiz is a south paw Gatti with less heart. Droppable, fairly speedy, hittable and likes to war it, unless it's Maidana. I totally disagree with this assessment. Ortiz has pretty damn good skills, and is a lot quicker and more technical than Gatti could have ever dreamed of being.

He's a legit 147 you idiot, he was draining himself to make 140. I'm curious to see how you feel about Pac fighting Mosley and Margarito and now Marquez. Cotto is no longer a 147 pounder and hasn't done anything after losing to pac. Cotto was also a legit 147, who by the way didnt lose a fight at 140, but that didnt stop Mayweather from ducking him though. Oh yeah and Ortiz beating Berto is something. As far as boxing is concerned Cotto-Foreman=Ortiz-Berto, then add the fact of what Cotto has done in this business, and what Ortiz has done, and Cotto will always be the better fight. Im not even a Pacquiao fan so I dont know why you're asking but Im gonna answer anyway. The Mosley fight was a fight that never needed to happen so I didnt bother even watching cause I knew the result before the fight was even made. Margarito fight was a good fight which makes me ask why did Manny let Margarito fight at 150, but Cotto fight had to be at 145? Makes you think of who is the dangerous opponent. Still Pacquiao was impressive against a much heavier Margarito. Marquez keeps talking trash about how he is better than Pacquiao so if I where manny I would take this fight to shut him up.

No he is not. He actually has good footwork and he moves his head unlike Cotto. Ortiz is also more explosive and has better stamina than Cotto. 1 fight at 147 and hes already gotten dropped the same number of times Cotto got dropped in all the time he was at this weight. If he has better head movement than Cotto, then it must mean he has also a weaker chin than Cotto.