Is Ortiz being over-rated due to his win over Berto?

I like Ortiz and if he brings the same ferocity against Floyd that he brought against Berto, then it will force Floyd to fight and give Floyd some problems. Lets look at the facts though. Ortiz although he had problems at times, still put on a great display of heart and put it all on the line against Berto. When you look at Berto though, who has he really beaten? Many feel he lost to Collazo. Aside from that contraversial win, the biggest wins on his resume were against Quintana and Urango. Decent fighters, but not great or really good for that matter. Ortiz/Berto was still a great fight and great win for Ortiz, but the truth is, Ortiz didnt beat anyone who has proven much thus far. Prior to his win over Berto, Ortiz took a tremendous amount of heat from the boxing world for literally quitting against the slow and not so very skilled, but hard hitting Maidana. He was basically written off and whatever fan base he had lost respect for him. The fight with Berto was a fight to redeem himself and silence those who questioned his heart, and that he did. Now he is scheduled to fight Floyd and many are accepting this as a legitimate threat to Floyd. It is really? Now I said it once and i'll say it again, if he brings the same fight game he did for Berto, he will cause some problems for Floyd. If he's off just an inch though, Floyd will pick him apart with his stick and move style. Had this fight been mentioned prior to Ortiz beating Berto, they would have criticized Floyd into oblivion. So are you to say that 1 win over a good but unproven fighter automatically makes Ortiz a legitimate opponent for Floyd? I personally think that many fans are just desperate to see Floyd back in the ring so bad that they would have accepted and defended any opponent he chose. They would use the excuse that it's just a tune-up. Problem with that is, Floyd intentionally retires. Why should we keep excepting tune-ups from him if he purposely takes himself out of the fight game? All in all with the current state of boxing and lack of quality matchups, I will still tune in and hope it turns out to be a good scrap worth the ppv money. Lets just hope Floyd doesnt treat this as an opportunity to (as he put it) "come back to steal some more money" then ride back off into the retirement sunset.

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I think he is being overrated. It's true he's highly ranked, champion, young, skilled, southpaw, and hungry but all that doesn't matter if Floyd is in a different league. To me, saying Ortiz is a great challenge to Floyd is saying Ortiz is in the same league as Floyd and Pacquiao. If your opponent is not at your level, then he's not a real threat.

14y ago

chiguy91

not really, i don't think anyone puts him over mayweather or manny in a match-up prediction. the guy has skills, but before beating berto, he lacked heart. he was a promising fighter who some thought he had a bright future, but he really dug himself a hole when he quit against maidana and started "slacking" a bit. but in his latest showing, he showed just how good and how much heart he had. he's not overrated imo, he just exploded in terms of expectations. lot of people wrote him off when facing berto. moving up and drawing against peterson, he was the underdog. but he proved what he is capable of, and what better of a fight to have when coming off the biggest win of your career then the biggest challenge you can have, floyd mayweather jr. he's a huge underdog, but if he comes with the same mentality he had against berto that night, he can make things interesting. he's not overrated though, no one is calling him the next big thing..

14y ago

sinmiedo

I thought Berto was overrated and given that reason I knew Ortiz was gonna win. The fight with Lamont could have gone either way. IMO...I think May takes the kid to.school and gets a majority decision or May puts pressure and that's all she wrote. Like Ortiz, but is young without experience and patience. we'll find out where he stands post fight.

14y ago

Deevel916

To answer the OP. Hells yes. Berto was a good win, maybe a great win for Ortiz, but he quit against Maidana and drew against Peterson. Let's be honest, the guy is quite limited. Ortiz beat Berto because Berto fought Ortiz's fight. Floyd wont make that mistake. Floyd knows Ortiz has some heavy hands and will be throwing bombs. He will pot shot, hold and move. A few right hand leads here and there, then follow up by falling in and holding. He'll smother Ortiz's punches. Ortiz only wins if Floyd gets careless and gets caught with something that puts him on queer street.

14y ago

Drunk_Punch

To answer the OP. Hells yes. Berto was a good win, maybe a great win for Ortiz, but he quit against Maidana and drew against Peterson. Let's be honest, the guy is quite limited.

14y ago

Major_Motoko

This man speaks the truth, it is sickening how many people disrespect a young champ like Ortiz who by the way proved all you haters wrong in the Berto fight. You can say he quit vs maidan but what is the saying in boxing? A true champion always gets up and comes back from defeat? There are many sayings out there that refer to the situation Ortiz has been in and came back from. Y'all are just hating on the man because he proved you guys so wrong when he went through hell in the 6th round of Berto but didn't give you the satisfaction of quitting but instead took it to the champ and beat him in impressive fashion. larry was saying so much sh1t about Ortiz before the berto fight like saying Berto would dominate but he looked like a jackass, Ortiz proved him and everyone else in the boxing world wrong. I always supported Ortiz even after the Maidana incident and I will always support him. Same with Montiel and Paul Williams. If something Ortiz is underrated, he was dominating Maidana and had a mental breakdown, he rectified that in the Berto match. Peterson did give him a hard fight but again I believe in the Berto fight what he is truly capable of. I believe the May/Ortiz fight is a 50/50 fight with a slight advantage to Ortiz IMHO. He will show the world what he is made of and hopefully he will no longer be so disrespected like he currently is, but the haters will probably still talk sh1t:nonono: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3287/2782415909_e6f47bd486_o.gif

14y ago

F_l_i_c_k_e_r

No. Everyone knows Ortiz is a tune up and no one but nut swinging pacstans think Ortiz will win.

14y ago

BURNER

Manny Pacquiao? :nonono: He obviously signed to fight JMM. No?

14y ago

Dehydrator

Name s better WW fighter Floyd should have fought? Manny Pacquiao? :nonono:

14y ago

BURNER

Name s better WW fighter Floyd should have fought?

14y ago

AllEyesOpen

Ortiz beat Berto, which made him one of the top guys at ww, and aside from Pac this is the best fight to be made. You can feel how you'd like about Ortiz, but he's fast, strong and has relatively solid boxing ability, and honestly, who else would be a fight of any importance at ww for Mayweather?

14y ago

KingTito

Ortiz showed a lot in a fight against Berto that many didn't think he would win. I think this is a good fight. Mayweather should win due to his experience and skill, but Ortiz will do his best to give Mayweather hell and knock him out. I like this fight a lot, and no matter what happens, Ortiz will have future big paydays in the future.

14y ago

Dirk_Diggler_UK

Definitely. Ortiz was the butt of all jokes until the Berto fight.

14y ago

Jose_Rizal

Both Ortiz and Berto are overrated to begin with, especially Berto. Now, Ortiz is a half-baked star not yet primed up for the big leagues, yet him, his handlers and his fans think he's all that when he isn't up to snuff yet. They like to rush him but he's gonna get schooled so bad that instead of greatness, it would be a great ass whuppin that would be waiting for him. I hope Mayweather doesn't make him quit again.

14y ago

IMDAZED

Long before that, Floyd, Schaefer, DLH and other members of Floyd's team had publicly implied that Pac was a cheat, and that, more than anything else, was what killed the negotiations. Arum is a skunk but by the time he broke the gagging order the negotiations had already ended. Hopkins' reaction to Pascal's accusations is a good insight into why Pac reacted as he did at that time. I think you're making your own assumptions which are simply false. Those public implications didn't stop Manny from sitting at the negotiating table. I think it's more reasonable to assume that the reason why the negotiations failed is because of what Manny flat out said: I am moving on because I am not willing to take a blood test within 24 days of the fight. And that he was agreeable to blood testing prior to. No need to twist the story.

14y ago

Dave_Rado

You're right and who was yelling to the media? Top Rank who disregarded the mediator's gag order. In fact, Team Mayweather didn't issue a statement until after Manny had already pulled out. So who was to blame again? Long before that, Floyd, Schaefer, DLH and other members of Floyd's team had publicly implied that Pac was a cheat, and that, more than anything else, was what killed the negotiations. Arum is a skunk but by the time he broke the gagging order the negotiations had already ended. Hopkins' reaction to Pascal's accusations is a good insight into why Pac reacted as he did at that time.

14y ago

tesla_power

He is a bit overrated but that really depends on who you ask. Just like with Mosley before his fight with Pbf, most people remembered the Marg fight but forgot the Mayorga fight. Same here, they forgot Ortiz fights with Madiana and Peterson because he had a great fight with Berto. It is not anybody fault. It is just that recent fights is easier to recall than previous one. But as a boxing fan, can't complain. I'm hyped for this fight. With the exception of pac, pbf-ortiz is the best fight that can be made. It speaks volumes on the current status of the WW division. ughh. Also, this would be a good gauge for Pbf if and when he fights pac. Still hoping against hope for that one. Lolz.

14y ago

Iceta_Lives

Very much so. Let's take a look at Berto and ask ourselves what the guy does well. Not too many things if you ask me. Shitty foot movement. No pressure fighting attributes. Gasses out really easily. Muscle bound. Weak chin. C-class trainer. I could probably go on and on. Mayweather has got some people fooled on here if they say Ortiz deserves this fight. Lol.

14y ago

IMDAZED

Yelling to the media isn't how you make a fight happen. In fact yelling to the media was what screwed up the original negotiations. In the original negotiations, both fighters were partly to blame but Floyd was more to blame than Manny was. Subsequently, Floyd has made no serious attempt to re-enter negotiations, or to make any concessions in order to make the fight happen - quite the reverse - whereas Manny has made some concessions and has at least made a show of trying to get negotiations restarted. You're right and who was yelling to the media? Top Rank who disregarded the mediator's gag order. In fact, Team Mayweather didn't issue a statement until after Manny had already pulled out. So who was to blame again?

14y ago

BURNER

You got Arum setting up fights months in adavance. Before Pac even fought Clottey, Arum promised Margarito a Pac fight for November. Before the sweat dried on Mosleys coward face Arum was setting up JMM-Pac 3. Before JMM can pour his first glass of piss , Arum is talking Pac-Bradley.

14y ago