offical floyd-ortiz discussion thread

Unless Ortiz does something big early like hurt Floyd or drop him I see it going the same way a bunch of Floyd fights do...especially with the layoff... Feeling out for the early rounds and Floyd starts capitalizing off of Ortiz's mistakes, and Victor starts getting discouraged...I don't know if Floyd can take him back to that dark place where Maidana took him though... Ortiz may have had a huge win over Berto but he hasn't forgot about the Maidana loss and if this fight gets really tough we'll see if he really is a new Victor Ortiz...

I disagree at 147 Ortiz would be the favorite against Bradley he didn't get dragged in **** that's how Ortiz fought every fight and he ran into another puncher and couldn't adjust. post Maidana fight Ortiz started to box more and added a lot more to his game Marcos can't do that against against Ortiz so YES it was a fluke You're an idiot if you think it was a fluke. It was a fight FFS and a fight that he lost fairly. Losses happen in boxing. If you make mistakes you lose, simple as. Luck doesnt come into it.

Ortiz might give some trouble the first couple rounds, but mayweather will dominate and school him. I wouldnt even be surprised if Mayweather came out to make a statement and dusted off his ringrust with a KO. Strike the fear into Pac and Pactards throughout the world! hopefully this will be an entertaining and interesting fight, with no damage to Floyd whatsoever. I think Pac vs JMM will be even better however, since JMM has the key to success against Pac, and I cant wait to see Pac lose again.

Now we just are getting carried away. Bradley beats Ortiz, pretty handily too. I disagree at 147 Ortiz would be the favorite against Bradley he got dragged into a war and was forced to quit...yea, it was a fluke he didn't get dragged in **** that's how Ortiz fought every fight and he ran into another puncher and couldn't adjust. post Maidana fight Ortiz started to box more and added a lot more to his game Marcos can't do that against against Ortiz so YES it was a fluke

I see people still sleeping on Ortiz that's why I wanted Ortiz to fight a Cotto or a Bradley at 147 before a mega fight. just look at the skills and what Ortiz brings to the table and ignore that fluke Maidana fight Now we just are getting carried away. Bradley beats Ortiz, pretty handily too.

Anybody else see this fight as Mayweather-De La Hoya II, watered down? Obviously, a couple of things are different between Ortiz and De La Hoya. De La Hoya actually had a good jab, he was lefty but fought orthodox, and De La Hoya didn't have great defense but was able to pick off a lot of punches with his glove, and finally De La Hoya had a great chin. De La Hoya is also bigger than Ortiz. So probably this won't be as a competitive as Mayweather-DLH, but I think Ortiz will bring something to this fight that probably DLH didn't bring to his fight, and that's of course being a southpaw, and also Ortiz is more explosive than DLH, while DLH is more technical than Ortiz. Because of this, I think Mayweather will be more dominant than he was against De La Hoya at 154. Not to mention the weight class. This is what I was thinking when the fight was made. Ortiz was being built up to be the next Oscar before the Maidana fight. I believe DLH will help Ortiz a lot in the preparation of the fight. Maybe even give the game plan for Mayweather-DLH 2. Unlike Oscar, Ortiz can still "pull the trigger." Golden Boy Promotions and Victor Ortiz will have the boxing world in their hands if Ortiz can pull off the upset. If the "possessed" Ortiz shows up then he has a shot for the upset. If the fans and media keep on hating on Victor, then he'll be extra motivated for the fight just like last time. So keep on doubting him if you want him to win. However, Mayweather has the faster hands and superior defense to put on a clinic.

the Maidana fight wasn't a fluke...Maidana willed that fight to become a war and outgunned Victor...yes Ortiz has moved on but to dismiss its merit is ignorant I like how every body forgetting Ortiz knocked him down 3 times and was ahead on the cards. Ortiz never was cut in the eye like that before and obviously wasn't seeing Maidana right hand since he was just getting hit with everthing in 6th and yes Ortiz didn't have the heart or will to overcome that. Ortiz fought the wrong way that night that fight was a Fluke because Ortiz beats Maidana 9 out of 10 times

Great fight! Hats off to Floyd for taking the best fight out there for him (besides Pacquiao). Victor is a great athlete with tremendous power, but he can be outboxed and he is a southpaw and vulnerable to Floyd's straight right hand. I like Floyd in this fight, possibly by stoppage. Floyd must be careful, but I think he pulls out the W.

good threads I think this is the 4th best fight for floyd that can be made 1st is pac, 2nd martinez and 3rd cotto IMO this will be a one sided beat down, ortiz is the guy who got taken out by maidana and almost lost to peterson mayweather will have no problem beating him as the gulf in class is way too much, not sure how many people will buy this, it certainly wont be competitive get outta my thread loser..you said you wanted ortiz to fight manny to make hin top 15 atg..then floyd signs to fight him and you hate..cant stand posters like you..fukk off..

I see people still sleeping on Ortiz that's why I wanted Ortiz to fight a Cotto or a Bradley at 147 before a mega fight. just look at the skills and what Ortiz brings to the table and ignore that fluke Maidana fight

Anybody else see this fight as Mayweather-De La Hoya II, watered down? Obviously, a couple of things are different between Ortiz and De La Hoya. De La Hoya actually had a good jab, he was lefty but fought orthodox, and De La Hoya didn't have great defense but was able to pick off a lot of punches with his glove, and finally De La Hoya had a great chin. De La Hoya is also bigger than Ortiz. So probably this won't be as a competitive as Mayweather-DLH, but I think Ortiz will bring something to this fight that probably DLH didn't bring to his fight, and that's of course being a southpaw, and also Ortiz is more explosive than DLH, while DLH is more technical than Ortiz. Because of this, I think Mayweather will be more dominant than he was against De La Hoya at 154. Not to mention the weight class.

you thick idiot, drawing to a fight is almost losing for both guys, god you are an idiot. Oh really? So Whitaker almost lost to Chavez? Lewis almost lost to Holyfield in the first fight? Victor Ortiz did not 'almost lose' the fight with Peterson because anyone with the combination of; a grain of sense and eyes to watch the fight with saw that there is NO case for Ortiz losing that fight. Therefore, he did NOT 'almost lose'. If anything, he quite clearly deserved the victory. Having to break that down to you is depressing.

Please, cut the f*cking sh*t. you thick idiot, drawing to a fight is almost losing for both guys, god you are an idiot.

Really? So Ortiz ENHANCES Floyds legacy right? yeah but only a bit i want pac to add martinez, floyd and any other decent guys to his resume i am just being truthful, i tell it like it is both marquez and ortiz are easy fights for floyd and pac

it's gonna be a good fight, vic can hurt floyd... let's do it :D

Only way Ortiz can make this even remotely competitive is to jump on Floyd early and make it ugly. Use his weight (should be 160ish in the ring) and impose it on Floyd, put constant pressure on him, don't give him space to figure him out and time him. Important to throw more than one punch at a time, Floyd reacts to every punch thrown so doing that makes his job easy. Working on feints makes sense, like Mosley did- feinted with a jab to the body, Floyd reacted, Shane came over the top with a right hand immediately, worked twice in the 2nd for huge shots. Working on blocking/defense wouldn't hurt either. Not hard for fists to find Ortiz's face :lol1:

no doubt...although i give Vic around 30% of winning this fight, im very interested in watching this one the lack of jab from Ortiz does worry me Absolutely. I have touched on that a few times already in other threads. His lack of jab will be a big problem and Floyd is inevitably going to reduce his output and Ortiz just has so many flaws to exploit. But, it is one of the best options available and that has to be addressed in fairness. I probably give Ortiz less than a 30% chance to be totally honest but I'm looking forward to it.

that plus all the cameras for the 24-7, the extra press...all that will be new to him What you think, Mak? Legit fight?

the cards are stacked against Victor...not only is he going up against a superior boxer, he's also about to be thrust upon a major spotlight...this is big time prize fighting...i hope the pressure doesnt get to him during the build up I was thinking about this, too. It almost certainly will get to him. He still comes off as too much of a "kid" sometimes. And I think that when Mayweather is in face, talking trash, that it's really going to bother him. It's going to be interesting to see how he handles Mayweather trying to intimidate him.

the cards are stacked against Victor...not only is he going up against a superior boxer, he's also about to be thrust upon a major spotlight...this is big time prize fighting...i hope the pressure doesnt get to him during the build up He might thrive under it. I think a lack of motivation was the cause of that draw against Peterson.