Ortiz does have a few things going for him. He's young, southpaw, and he does have some pop in his punches. I can see him having some success early in the fight. But once Floyd figures him out let's say in round 4 then it should be a clinic.
General consensus seems to be Ortiz has 4 rounds to knock Mayweather Jr out. Sounds like a pretty exciting fight. Also the 24/7 should be excellent..
Not do you think he will, but do you think he has a decent chance and how? Poll to follow, please discuss. :boxing::heart:
if vic can catch wifebeater with a punch like mosley caught wifebeater with, it will be a very interesting fight.
vic has all the physical tools to beat wifebeater, but I dunno about ortiz's corner. garcia might not be up to the task.
Ortiz does have a few things going for him. He's young, southpaw, and he does have some pop in his punches. I can see him having some success early in the fight. But once Floyd figures him out let's say in round 4 then it should be a clinic.
What everyone is doing, myself included. Is imagining how Mayweather might lose based largely on their memories of Ortiz mugging Berto against the ropes and generally swarming Berto. However, Berto fights nothing at all like Mayweather. Was somehow still green himself and was clearly not at all prepared for what he went through.
Ortiz physical presence and fresh legs alone make this worth watching, but considering skill pay bills. This is very much Mayweather's fight to lose. I agree rd 4 could likely be a big indicator round.
Anyone can be beat, so of course he can, now how good are Ortiz's chances? In my opinion, not so good. Ortiz squares up too much which is why he's vulnerable to right hands. Floyd stops him, Victor is gonna get hit with some heavy heavy shots.
I guess he was in his prime physically, but he was never very good, was at his best at 140 and that style he had was a Mayweather wet dream.
Well I'm not totally sure what to make of Ortiz yet either, but Imo Ricky wouldn't have drawn Lamont Peterson. Also not sold Ortiz would have handled Kostya. Considering Ortiz is baffled by right crosses among other things, I'm not convinced Ortiz' style is all that more refined or dynamic than Hatton's. I like the fight though.
Ortiz does have a few things going for him. He's young, southpaw, and he does have some pop in his punches. I can see him having some success early in the fight. But once Floyd figures him out let's say in round 4 then it should be a clinic.
I guess he was in his prime physically, but he was never very good, was at his best at 140 and that style he had was a Mayweather wet dream.
I agree that Mayweather really hasnt fought anyone like Ortiz; a strong, southpaw in his prime.
castillo did beat mayweather, baldomir and hatton are different type of fighter than ortiz.
that being said, i still think the fight is like 60-75% mayweather, and 20-35% ortiz.
i give credit to mayweather for accepting this challenge
I think 50/50 because the last time he fought a good fighter in his physical prime was Castillo and he lost that fight. If Judah had a championship makeup he might've lost that fight too. He will also have trouble with Ortiz's left hand, size and pressure.
If you judge Floyd by the Baldomirs and old Mosley's then I guess nobody can beat him but he's very beatable when matched against non stiffs.
How was Ricky Hatton not in his prime? Also, Ortiz has appeared more than crude at times. He has difficulty avoiding straight rights, and doesn't really use a jab. He will be eating right hands like tuna melts.
I think its a 50/50 fight. Ortiz is in his prime now, he's a quick southpaw with power and has renewed confidence.
Floyd is inactive and going on 34. Ortiz could outwork him and drop him a few times en route to winning a decision.
This is a very hard fight for Floyd.
It's a tough fight, but it's still Floyd's fight to lose. 50/50 is overboard. My first reaction was around 70/30 in Floyd's favor, and the more I think about it. That was way overboard.
Floyd's skillset is so vastly superior to Ortiz, I'd be surprised if the gambling odds aren't completely skewed in Mayweather's favor. As of 3:44 EST I'm thinking this fight is about a 20% chance for an Ortiz victory, and I'm expecting that # to decrease.
Yes
He's a big bastard that could well walk down Floyd for the 12 rounds, and has the power to hurt him... whether he lands on him is another matter, but he's got the physical ability for sure.
Hatton is more of an inside fighter than Ortiz but the end game would be roughly the same eventually get him to go backwards because that is not how the guy fights but the path to that point would probably be a bit different, aside from it being a fairly slow methodical process of breaking down Ortiz.
It will be interesting to see how Mayweather approaches the fight.
One thing's for sure, it's only a matter of days(or hours) before Oscar tells the boxing world. "Based on my fight with Floyd, I'm picking Ortiz to win." Par for the course for a promoter, but always a bit weak from Oscar imo.
I think tactically it makes sense to surprise Ortiz, even if only in spots. I think he'll do it, but somewhat sparingly. I just wonder if Mayweather imagines himself fighting that kind of fight at this stage. Imo there are still definitely question marks on if inactivity has had any effect on him. It's in no way the same situation, but he didn't even opt to walk toward Hatton until he had taken enough shine off him with strong counters..
Hatton is more of an inside fighter than Ortiz but the end game would be roughly the same eventually get him to go backwards because that is not how the guy fights but the path to that point would probably be a bit different, aside from it being a fairly slow methodical process of breaking down Ortiz.
It will be interesting to see how Mayweather approaches the fight.
haha, i think he has a slim chance, but i hope he does. how great would it be if ortiz shocked the world and beat floyd, just imagine? haha, i wonder if pac would fight him afterwards....hopefully ortiz wouldn't ask for ost.
Nobody around at the moment (including Manny) beats Floyd. Best of his generation, he has just wasted some of that potential.
Not arse licking or being a "flomo" (oh, whoever uses the terms 'flomo' and 'pactard' need to grow up) I just believe he is the best around, and has been for the last 10 years or so.
I think running around plays more to Ortiz's liking, Ortiz likes to take his time and have his space.
I think Ortiz would expect Floyd to move away, most fans would expect him to move away, so if he goes in that would be unexpected and even if he only does it a few times it will get Ortiz thinking thus giving Floyd more time to do his thing in other areas.
Bulling him back is probably unwise because Ortiz is likely stronger but frustrating him making him want to seek space and time accomplishes the same thing in the end.
I think tactically it makes sense to surprise Ortiz, even if only in spots. I think he'll do it, but somewhat sparingly. I just wonder if Mayweather imagines himself fighting that kind of fight at this stage. Imo there are still definitely question marks on if inactivity has had any effect on him. It's in no way the same situation, but he didn't even opt to walk toward Hatton until he had taken enough shine off him with strong counters..