Why is Roach asking for a Martinez fight at 147 yet they wont fight JMM at 135?

Then you give floydvcredit for beating jmm at we then with all thst said? Pac is a TRUE WW, no matter what way you slice it. Floyd gets as much credit for that win as pac would if he beats Marquez at 144, other than the 2 pound weigh in difference, it's basically the same fight. I'm not gonna analyze the fight night weights much, in the end, neither gets much credit. And I think Pac has definitely grown into his own at the weight, after watching the Mosley fight, I could no longer picture him going down to 135...140 is a different story, but it's obvious he prefers 147.

bs. so i guess that you were against floyd fighting DLH at 54? b.c floyd hadnt even grow into WW fully. so i hope you said this same thing when floyd was going to fight dlh, if not, stop talking about both sides of your neck dawg, I never said Floyd or Pacquiao can't fight at 154, sh*t I'd love that fight PERIOD. I said if either of those 2 choose to not fight at 154, how am I supposed to get mad at that? And that was a great fight, I mean it wasn't a great fight on the night of the fight, but it was a wise business decision by the both of them, hell look at the numbers it did. People knock Floyd for fighting Oscar when he was past his prime, but really Oscar wanted that fight just as much as Floyd did. And For the record, I though Floyd was a full blown welter by then, I didn't see him being able to move down in weight, back to 140, but if you think he could've, then I guess that's where we disagree. Why do I keep repeating myself? It's like I say one thing, they agree, hence we agree and then they find a way to argue with you anyway...wtf is going on? How more blunt do I need to be? Let's start from the top, TS compared Pacquiao not willing to move up to 154 for Martinez and (Roach) demanding Martinez come down to him, yet Marquez has to move up. I did what? go ahead kiddies, you know the answer I AGREED, Why? B/c 144 is not Marquez's optimum weight just like 154 would not be Manny's....everything else, man I dunno, you muthaf*ckers just like arguing. And for anybody that can answer, is there a way to know who responded to your post without having to revisit the same old threads, in case someone posed a legitimate question?

marquez came in at fight night vs katsidis at 145 lbs (thats a 135 lb fight) while pacquiao came in at fight night vs margarito at 148 lbs (thats a 150 lb fight). vs each other, i'm willing to bet that their fight night weights will be no more than 5 lbs apart. in fact, the 144 catch weight may work for marquez since he doesn't need to dehydrate all the way to 135 at weigh-in. pacquiao is obviously at an advantage mainly due to the fact that he's used to weighing-in at 144. marquez needs to be careful this time around and not to put on too much muscle that might slow him down but i think he'll come in in better shape than he did the first time against floyd and fight night weight discrepancy between him and manny won't be nearly as much as him and floyd. pac fighting sergio at 154 means that he will be spotting sergio 8-9 lbs plus at weigh-in (based on that fact that pact weighed in at 145 vs shane and 143 vs margarito - a 150 lb fight). pac IS NOT even a true welterweight. he's never come in at the 147 limit at weigh-in, opting to come it at 143 lbs on a 150 lb fight. 7 lbs weigh-in difference, lots of fights get called when another fighter comes in overweight by that much. i expect manny to give roughly 20 lbs at fight night to sergio if they do a 154 weigh-in (148 vs 168). a challenge from sergio to manny for a fight at 154 is like dirty harry challenging a kid with a pea shooter, manny is just naturally too small. sergio coming down to 147 is equally dumb. if a fight is made between the two, it's either one will be at a huge disadvantage (who depends on 147 or 154). 150 may be a compromise but sergio will still dehydrated and manny would be spotting 15-17 lbs as in the margarito fight.

So how can they ask a guy to come to a weight class where they wont be sucessful yet turn around and drag a guy up to a weight class where he wont be sucessful? thats what him and his boss and team do. its obvious. people either dont care what he do or what he do to the guys he fight

U could start by keeping it real then.U clearly weren't using the same logic because like I said Pacman was a jr welterweight champ,all Martinez was doing was calling out a fellow former champ at a weight both were champions at.Marquez was absolutely horrid at welterweight.But that's where Pacman wants to fight him. If U truly don't believe in dragging a guy out of his comfort zone like U claim,then there is no way Ur gonna sit there & be cool or simply ok with Pacman-Marquez at welterweight.That's what I don't understand.Pacman is indeed dragging Marquez out of his comfort zone.But we shall agree to disagree bro,it is what it is. Kepping it real? listen dude, for the record for like the 3rd time, Pacquiao vs Marquez is a good fight, BUT at 144, I firmly believe marquez is at a disadvantage. 2ndly, Pacquiao vs Martinez is a good fight, BUT at 154, Pacquiao is at a disadvantage & at 147, Martinez is at a disadvantage. I'm not arguing for or against the fights, I'm just stating how pacquiao at 154 can be equated to Marquez coming up to 144 to fight Pac...in the end, if Pacquiao refuses to fight Martinez, I'm not yelling, "duck" just as I wouldn't yell, "duck" had Marquez never challenged and/or accepted to fight Pac at 144, because sometimes, that extra 7-10 pounds can make a big or big enough difference. Trust me, we're in agreement, maybe I just didn't make myself clear enough.

looks like the pactards have bailed out martinez wanted floyd, son, not pac.

Belt or no belt, pacs no junior middleweight. I'm a firm believer in weight classes, I don't believe in dragging a guy out of his comfort zone just to fulfil a fantasy match - if Mayweather/Pacquiao do fight Martinez eventually, great, I think the both of them have a good chance at beating him too, but if they don't feel like that's their most effective weight class, what the f*ck am I supposed to do? U could start by keeping it real then.U clearly weren't using the same logic because like I said Pacman was a jr welterweight champ,all Martinez was doing was calling out a fellow former champ at a weight both were champions at.Marquez was absolutely horrid at welterweight.But that's where Pacman wants to fight him. If U truly don't believe in dragging a guy out of his comfort zone like U claim,then there is no way Ur gonna sit there & be cool or simply ok with Pacman-Marquez at welterweight.That's what I don't understand.Pacman is indeed dragging Marquez out of his comfort zone.But we shall agree to disagree bro,it is what it is.

Is this how you felt about JMM-Mayweather? Also are you a part of the 'Manny is a lightweight" crowd? Ive been telling people hes a full blown WW yet everyone is saying he can make 135 easily. 1. pathetic that floyd fought a small lightweight two divisions higher in a catchweight floyd didn't even make 2. i don't like the marquez-pacquiao fight at this point, i think its just as bad as the mosley fight but there's a history behind them which i think why they made the fight 3. pacquiao is a tiny ww but a ww nonetheless

why worry about what cock roach says? at least team pac has response to martinez's calls. martinez wanted floyd, not pac. i have yet to hear floyd's response about it.

Logic, critical thinking and reading comprehension isnt your strong suite I see. i LOL @ this, technically this is like the pot calling the kettle black. proof? this thread, the answer to your question is common sense.ALL ROADS LEAD TO MANNY PACQUIAO. if fighters want to earn a wind fall and a chance for the crown of p4p fight pacquiao. manny is not the one begging for a fight. JMM is knocking at his door, its stupid if he knocks on manny;s door then says come out manny, i want to fight you, lets go fight at my house". if you challenge a person, fight him there and then, thats badass, but if you will say come with me to my house, i will fight you there, thats a wimp. martinez challenged a WW to fight at his weight class, thats wimp/lame. if he wants to fight pacquiao, go to his turf and fight him there and manny's turf is 147.

Yeah thats what I thought. Way to duck the question 3 times troll. Good work at exposing the troll, its actually quite easy but I need a break from these idiots, I dont have the desire to argue with Tards anymore. They like their fixed fight PED enhanced champion and they aim to keep it that way.

I agree 100% with this post. Manny is the one they want to fight so if they want the fight, want the money, and the position that comes with it then they should do what Manny wants. Thats why I've always felt that when floyd fought Marquez at WW it was a legit fight. Yeah he was moving up in weight but he was challenging floyd for his strap. No different in Manny moving up in weight or Floyd moving up in weight. You cant call out the driver and tell him where to go. You just walk to the car and let the driver drive. And thats why i felt that Manny should take the random blood test as well. Because floyd is the drawer, floyd is undefeated, and floyd has the say...It goes both ways. Lmfao @ your sig

simple logic here that the TS seems to lack.. manny and marquez fight at 145 catch weight, manny will come at the weigh it at 145 and marquez may come in at 140-142 BUT at fight night, manny will be around 148-150 while marquez will be at around 142-146 (marquez has been coming up to the 140s during fight nights for years). maximum weight discrepancy at fight night won't be over 8 lbs, 10 lbs would be surprising. did anyone even find out how much floyd weight at fight night vs marquez? i'm guess high 150s to 160. manny is smaller than floyd and won't hydrate nearly as much as floyd from the weight in to fight now. PLUS, manny will amke weight as agreed. manny and sergio fight at 154 as sergio requests, manny comes in at 145-147 during the weight in (how much did he weigh in vs margarito at 150, 144?) and ballon to 148-150 during the fight night. everyone can see that manny can't make 147 and maintain his effectiveness so 154 is out of the question. however, martinez will weight in at 154 and the balloon up to 166-170 during fight night. if the two scenarios still look the same the TS then I got a nice pyramid scheme that that I think you'll be interested...

Are U really applying the same logic though.Because the fact is that in Marquez's 1st trip to welterweight he looked like $hit & it was abundantly clear that he didn't belong there.But in stark contrast the fact is that Pacman was indeed a jr middleweight champion.So how are U applying the same logic??Pacman won a world title at jr middle,Marquez was thoroughly dominated at welterweight. Belt or no belt, pacs no junior middleweight. I'm a firm believer in weight classes, I don't believe in dragging a guy out of his comfort zone just to fulfil a fantasy match - if Mayweather/Pacquiao do fight Martinez eventually, great, I think the both of them have a good chance at beating him too, but if they don't feel like that's their most effective weight class, what the f*ck am I supposed to do?

I think, and this is just a wild guess lol, that Freddie was implying that anything above 147 is out of Pacquiao's limits. As for Marquez that's a seperate issue and it should've been held at 140, but Marquez challenged Pacquiao which doesn't make it right, but it doesn't mean the fight HAD to happen, it's okay to say, 'hey 144 is too much, I'll stay where I am.' That's what Martinez did for the 147 offer, noone's knocking him for it. Your question, in essence, can be reversed to: If we say Marquez is out of his weight limit at 144, then how come the same doesn't apply to Pacquiao at 154? So I get what your saying about Marquez moving up, and I agree and in that sense I apply the same logic to Pacquiao moving up, ya dig it? Are U really applying the same logic though.Because the fact is that in Marquez's 1st trip to welterweight he looked like $hit & it was abundantly clear that he didn't belong there.But in stark contrast the fact is that Pacman was indeed a jr middleweight champion.So how are U applying the same logic??Pacman won a world title at jr middle,Marquez was thoroughly dominated at welterweight.

pac is not the one going around saying he'll knock sergio out, pac is not the one going around saying he beat marquez twice! so why should pac move up or down to fight neither of these 2 guys? pac is in the driver seat right now, if anyone wants a ride they'll have to come get it, not the other way around! I agree 100% with this post. Manny is the one they want to fight so if they want the fight, want the money, and the position that comes with it then they should do what Manny wants. Thats why I've always felt that when floyd fought Marquez at WW it was a legit fight. Yeah he was moving up in weight but he was challenging floyd for his strap. No different in Manny moving up in weight or Floyd moving up in weight. You cant call out the driver and tell him where to go. You just walk to the car and let the driver drive. And thats why i felt that Manny should take the random blood test as well. Because floyd is the drawer, floyd is undefeated, and floyd has the say...It goes both ways.

His camp is so full of it. They want Martinez to come all the way down to Pacs weight class but they can drag Marquez , a lightweight, all the way up to Pacs weight class? What a joke. I think, and this is just a wild guess lol, that Freddie was implying that anything above 147 is out of Pacquiao's limits. As for Marquez that's a seperate issue and it should've been held at 140, but Marquez challenged Pacquiao which doesn't make it right, but it doesn't mean the fight HAD to happen, it's okay to say, 'hey 144 is too much, I'll stay where I am.' That's what Martinez did for the 147 offer, noone's knocking him for it. Your question, in essence, can be reversed to: If we say Marquez is out of his weight limit at 144, then how come the same doesn't apply to Pacquiao at 154? So I get what your saying about Marquez moving up, and I agree and in that sense I apply the same logic to Pacquiao moving up, ya dig it?

maybe cause pacquiao fights at 147 now? Is this how you felt about JMM-Mayweather? Also are you a part of the 'Manny is a lightweight" crowd? Ive been telling people hes a full blown WW yet everyone is saying he can make 135 easily.

maybe cause pacquiao fights at 147 now?

I wish his fans would stop calling him a lightweight. Either he cant make 135 and is a full blown WW or he can make 135 and is just cherry picking.