Looking back on that fight what do you think it means to Calzaghes legacy? at the time everyone thought Hopkins was past it,but performances since then would make you think again.
I've picked holes in Calzaghes resume as much as anyone but this might go down as a great victory.
Would the result have been much different if it happened say 8 years ago?
I would say Calzaghe would have performed bvetter, and so will Hopkin's. It was also Calzaghe first fight at 175.
Calzaghe figured out Hopkin's more as it went on and starting connecting a little cleaner, and Hopkin's used his savvy.
I don't see Calzaghe doing much better than he did in the first fight which was, IMO, good enough.
Just thinking of it, there should not have been a rematch because it was an ugly fight and no one would have bought it. Maybe not if Joe came back.
Yep after the fight when people were talking about a rematch, Calzaghe's answer was who would pay to see that again?
Good question, no doubt a lot on here would but the masses wouldn't.
if it was a clear cut victory for Calzaghe.. sure.. but its a disputable so..
It's a win, as Hopkins would say it's all about the W and Joe has it. It was a close fight, but Hopkins could never slow Joe down.
That gif is still funny to me and hideous. Calzaghe won ugly that night.
Also what you didn't mention was that was almost the only clean punch Hopkins landed that round. Another round he stole was the one he milked a fake low blow and got a much needed rest.
Nothing made me cringe more than the attempt at showboating when in the ring with Hopkins and Jones.
He looked a complete idiot.
faking a low blow would be pretending one happened that didn't except one clearly happened so how was it fake? did he milk the fukk out of it? yes he certainly did but even calzaghe milked low blows and whined like a bit-ch against bika to get a rest and get points taken off.
You hate Calzaghe with a passion. But not as much as I do. Lol. Can't stand a guy who should only have a 15% knockout record if not for home refs handing out premature stoppage wins to him like it's candy.
That gif is still funny to me and hideous. Calzaghe won ugly that night.
Also what you didn't mention was that was almost the only clean punch Hopkins landed that round. Another round he stole was the one he milked a fake low blow and got a much needed rest.
faking a low blow would be pretending one happened that didn't except one clearly happened so how was it fake? did he milk the fukk out of it? yes he certainly did but even calzaghe milked low blows and whined like a bit-ch against bika to get a rest and get points taken off.
That gif is still funny to me and hideous. Calzaghe won ugly that night.
Also what you didn't mention was that was almost the only clean punch Hopkins landed that round. Another round he stole was the one he milked a fake low blow and got a much needed rest.
What happened to your Anne Hathaway avatar?
That gif is still funny to me and hideous. Calzaghe won ugly that night.
Also what you didn't mention was that was almost the only clean punch Hopkins landed that round. Another round he stole was the one he milked a fake low blow and got a much needed rest.
hopkins put on a stinky floyd-baldomir type performance but he still deserved to win because he won the boxing match. if baldomir knew all he had to do to win the fight was constantly throw and miss punches he would still be champ. silly baldomir trying to be accurate and actually hit his opponent. the fans got robbed of pac-baldomir!
Until Calzaghe beat both the unbeaten Kessler and the unbeaten Lacy so easily, and with such skill, they were regarded as the favourites. Lacy in particular, being of course an American, was regarded as unbeatable. It was only AFTER the fights were Kessler and Lacy regarded as "ordinary".
The way Calzaghe changed and speeded up his game after the first 4 very tough rds with Kessler, showed him to be a great fighter. After that he fought rings around him, MADE him look "ordinary". YET, Kessler won a title again almost immediately afterwards..........
making up things again? not surprised. lacy was a very slight favorite over calzaghe and he wasn't seen as unbeatable to anyone who ever saw him fight. he had a debatable decision over omar sheika and looked dreadful against syd vanderpool, donnell wiggins, and rubin williams before scoring stoppages. kessler wasn't a favorite over calzaghe at all. calzaghe was almost a 2 to 1 favorite.
Most people do value work rate and coming forward above all else when it comes to scoring as opposed to effective clean punching.
It is pretty much why I don't listen to what people have to say about scoring fights~ nor desire to get into arguments about scoring fights
Please even Old Hopkins today would have school'd average Kessler when Calzaghe fought him and slow Lacey when Calzaghe fought him. It is fair to say Hopkins would have been him in his prime because he's not as fast as he was in his physcial prime and thats the only reason the fight was even close because of Joe's hand speed.
Until Calzaghe beat both the unbeaten Kessler and the unbeaten Lacy so easily, and with such skill, they were regarded as the favourites. Lacy in particular, being of course an American, was regarded as unbeatable. It was only AFTER the fights were Kessler and Lacy regarded as "ordinary".
The way Calzaghe changed and speeded up his game after the first 4 very tough rds with Kessler, showed him to be a great fighter. After that he fought rings around him, MADE him look "ordinary". YET, Kessler won a title again almost immediately afterwards..........
No I didn't ignore it, I discarded it. Calzaghe made a fool of him and he couldn't match anything Calzaghe was doing, so he did his usual "stink out the house" act.
I've NEVER seen Hopkins in a fight I/ve enjoyed and I've seen literally hundreds and hundreds of fights, including many of Hopkins. The guy was completely unknown except to the analysts and announcers until near the end of his middles term. I recall Max Kellerman, about 8-9 years ago in talking about an aspiring middleweight, said "well he'll have to go through Bernard Hopkins, he's the champion". The other analyst or announcer (I can't remember the names,) said "who" ...and then "Oh yet, the forgotten fighter".........
just like you discarded how to score a boxing match when you watched calzaghe-hopkins. you are right hopkins couldn't match the 100 punches calzaghe threw per round. he only need to throw a third of the punches calzaghe threw and he still outlanded him in the majority of the rounds. he did more with less. what disgrace.
114-113 Hopkins is what I scored it. Did anyone else get that exact score for Hops?
I remember scoring it for Hopkins but I don't remember the score and I don't care to really watch that fight closely against so I just accept the loss.
It is a tough fight to score though, if you can deal with and accept how Calzaghe "punches" then he will seem like the winner because he did more work, if you value good work then Hopkins will probably win although at some points he wasn't doing a lot so that is why I think people in general favor Calzaghe.
It was a close enough fight that I just accept what the judges saw though.
114-113 Hopkins is what I scored it. Did anyone else get that exact score for Hops?
that's the absolute worst it could be for hopkins. 115-112 is probably more accurate since hopkins outlanded calzaghe by a wide margin in 7 rounds. they landed about the same in round 4 but i gave it to hopkins because he buckled calzaghe's legs and calzaghe turned his back on hopkins to avoid further punishment. why no outrage over that? hopkins gets killed for taking time to recover after getting hit with an illegal blow. calzaghe gets a free pass for taking time to recover after hopkins hit him with a legal blow(did it twice btw). nitpicking hypocrite fans!