Marquez Plans to Add Weight and Maintain Speed

Well, if Gohan could figure it out I'm sure JMM will have no problems. lmao dbz.. but ontopic.. i think Marquez will be overwhelmed..his shots won't hurt Manny anymore, Manny's felt stronger and seen his share of speed lately too..

Finally someone that really understand this. That's what I've been saying in other threads, not because they weight the same on fight night they have the same body composition. Pacquiao weighting 145 pounds and being a WW for some time is used to train to make 145. He's able to pack on some more muscle mass and he's stronger than JMM. Marquez trains to be 135 for the weight in, that means that he can't get much more muscle mass because then he wouldn't be able to make the 135 weight. So now the fight is at 144 CW. Yeah yeah right now they're the same at fight night, but Pacquiao has more muscle mass than JMM and has retained speed because his body is used to fight at 144. Now, if JMM does his same training regime, he's going to weight almost the same as Pacquiao on fight night, however he's giving too much strenght advantage to Manny, so he NEEDS to gain more muscle mass and be a little heavier in order to match Manny's strenght. However, he's going to lose some speed, and that's what Manny is counting on. It would be a completely different story if JMM would've fought at WW for the last lets say 3 or 4 fights. In that case he would have more muscle mass and strenght, and he would be a little bit slower than in LW, but way faster than right now that he's trying to get to a 144 limit because his body would be used to carry all that weight and he could train for speed. Right now he can't really train for a lot of speed, he needs to be stronger or he wouldn't be able to hurt Manny at 144. Yep thats how it is , but you got to know boxing much deeper than fan level to understand the process in training and effect of weight , Roach is scamming the system .. This fight could easily be made at 140 but Team Pac knows that the closer they get to 135 the harder JMM will be to beat , so they force JMM 9lbs above his sweet spot and 3 lbs below the WW limit to sell it , they are stitching JMM up with this CW concerning these two individual fighters and what we know of them . If Manny had some honor he would have made the fight at 140 .

oh man, we might see jmm eat his own sh1t this time....:439:

Why add a CW ,,, why do you think Roach pushes SO HARD for a CW , I mean all you fellas want too blow it of like its nothing . JMM needs to stay in touch with the weight otherwise he will be giving away too much strength and the more he trys to match strength the slower he will be , thats why Roach says no CW no fight . Its not about the weight on the night in this fight , its about your camp training weight to make the CW ,, at 135 JMM will train at a lower weight right through camp , this makes less muscle mass and more speed , at a forced 144 CW JMM must train at a higher weight to match the strength difference the CW allows Pac to train at a higher weight , the catch is JMM wll lose speed ,,,,, That is why Roach wants the CW , to take just a little speed away from a counter puncher and thats his A game out the window .. ASK YOURSELF WHY ROACH WANTS THESE CWs SO BAD OR NO FIGHT , THEY MATTER A LOT . So then you want no catchweight? 147 was fine with you? Funny how you don't say that about Manny in that he can't make 147 nor 150, in his previous fights, so Manny needs to add weight but at the same time lose some speed, which is his advantage. Manny has been doing it for about 5 fights now ..... but I'm sure you complained more about Cotto coming down 1lb than poor Manny needing to do what you just said about Marquez ......... Marquez has to do for his 2nd time BUT now you have a concern. Maybe Marquez can learn from his first time on how to train properly. He sure has lots of time to do it. Also, Marquez should be picking a bigger guy for his tune-up fight to show us that he can beat 140+ guys.

Why add a CW ,,, why do you think Roach pushes SO HARD for a CW , I mean all you fellas want too blow it of like its nothing . JMM needs to stay in touch with the weight otherwise he will be giving away too much strength and the more he trys to match strength the slower he will be , thats why Roach says no CW no fight . Its not about the weight on the night in this fight , its about your camp training weight to make the CW ,, at 135 JMM will train at a lower weight right through camp , this makes less muscle mass and more speed , at a forced 144 CW JMM must train at a higher weight to match the strength difference the CW allows Pac to train at a higher weight , the catch is JMM wll lose speed ,,,,, That is why Roach wants the CW , to take just a little speed away from a counter puncher and thats his A game out the window .. ASK YOURSELF WHY ROACH WANTS THESE CWs SO BAD OR NO FIGHT , THEY MATTER A LOT . Finally someone that really understand this. That's what I've been saying in other threads, not because they weight the same on fight night they have the same body composition. Pacquiao weighting 145 pounds and being a WW for some time is used to train to make 145. He's able to pack on some more muscle mass and he's stronger than JMM. Marquez trains to be 135 for the weight in, that means that he can't get much more muscle mass because then he wouldn't be able to make the 135 weight. So now the fight is at 144 CW. Yeah yeah right now they're the same at fight night, but Pacquiao has more muscle mass than JMM and has retained speed because his body is used to fight at 144. Now, if JMM does his same training regime, he's going to weight almost the same as Pacquiao on fight night, however he's giving too much strenght advantage to Manny, so he NEEDS to gain more muscle mass and be a little heavier in order to match Manny's strenght. However, he's going to lose some speed, and that's what Manny is counting on. It would be a completely different story if JMM would've fought at WW for the last lets say 3 or 4 fights. In that case he would have more muscle mass and strenght, and he would be a little bit slower than in LW, but way faster than right now that he's trying to get to a 144 limit because his body would be used to carry all that weight and he could train for speed. Right now he can't really train for a lot of speed, he needs to be stronger or he wouldn't be able to hurt Manny at 144.

Why add a CW ,,, why do you think Roach pushes SO HARD for a CW , I mean all you fellas want too blow it of like its nothing . JMM needs to stay in touch with the weight otherwise he will be giving away too much strength and the more he trys to match strength the slower he will be , thats why Roach says no CW no fight . Its not about the weight on the night in this fight , its about your camp training weight to make the CW ,, at 135 JMM will train at a lower weight right through camp , this makes less muscle mass and more speed , at a forced 144 CW JMM must train at a higher weight to match the strength difference the CW allows Pac to train at a higher weight , the catch is JMM wll lose speed ,,,,, That is why Roach wants the CW , to take just a little speed away from a counter puncher and thats his A game out the window .. ASK YOURSELF WHY ROACH WANTS THESE CWs SO BAD OR NO FIGHT , THEY MATTER A LOT . it wasn't pac's team that asked for the catchweight dipsh*t. It's just marquez getting revenge for cotto who only lost to manny because he was drained of that 1 lb. Manny's about to get a taste of his own medicine.

doctors?....he needs mackie shilstone couldn't have said anything better.

Bulking up without losing speed or mobility? Sounds like someone should take the test... Manila, Philippines - Juan Manuel Marquez will try to make sure he doesn’t give up too much in size against Manny Pacquiao when they meet in November. Marquez, who will soon turn 38, said he will bulk up for the WBO welterweight title fight, pegged at a catchweight of 144 pounds. But he said he will need the help of doctors to do it. “I will come in a higher weight than normal,” the reigning lightweight champion from Mexico told The Examiner yesterday. Marquez is fighting at the 135 pound division but has fought once at 142, against Floyd Mayweather in May of 2009. He was not a pretty sight at 142 pounds, going down once against Mayweather before dropping a unanimous decision. Against Pacquiao, now the most feared fighter in the 147 pound class, Marquez wants to make it pretty even– both in size and speed. “But I will have doctors monitoring my progress,” he told Ricardo Lois of The Examiner. The fight takes place on Nov. 12 at the MGM Grand, but before that, Marquez wants a tuneup match in July, hopefully against David Diaz. After losing to Mayweather, Marquez went back home to 135 pounds, fought Juan Diaz and Michael Katsidis, and looked nice. But Pacquiao looked even nicer in his lopsided wins over true welterweights Miguel Cotto, Joshua Clottey, Antonio Margarito and Shane Mosley. However, the challenge to fight Pacquiao for a third time, in a weight class higher than his current place, is too much for Marquez to ignore. Besides, he’s getting $5 million against Pacquiao, plus a share in everything else, and a possibility of another rematch, and a $10 million purse, if he wins in November. “Matching Pacquiao’s speed and rhythm are key. The doctors I work with will help me maintain my speed,” he said. Have you heard of the NFL? They add weight and sometimes get faster, they also happen to have a very rigorous drug testing program as well.

Isn't he about the same weight as Pacquiao usually is on fight night anyway? Really dont see the point in adding weight. Why add a CW ,,, why do you think Roach pushes SO HARD for a CW , I mean all you fellas want too blow it of like its nothing . JMM needs to stay in touch with the weight otherwise he will be giving away too much strength and the more he trys to match strength the slower he will be , thats why Roach says no CW no fight . Its not about the weight on the night in this fight , its about your camp training weight to make the CW ,, at 135 JMM will train at a lower weight right through camp , this makes less muscle mass and more speed , at a forced 144 CW JMM must train at a higher weight to match the strength difference the CW allows Pac to train at a higher weight , the catch is JMM wll lose speed ,,,,, That is why Roach wants the CW , to take just a little speed away from a counter puncher and thats his A game out the window .. ASK YOURSELF WHY ROACH WANTS THESE CWs SO BAD OR NO FIGHT , THEY MATTER A LOT .

Well, if Gohan could figure it out I'm sure JMM will have no problems.

don't bulk up , juanma. :nonono: come as is. come in the way you normally come in at 135. just don't cut weight. Exactly, if he weighs what he normally weighs on fight night when fighting at 135 he'll have the same strength, speed, power, etc as usual, but without the draining. He's going to have to win on his pure boxing skills anyway, so no reason to inhibit that which he's great at

don't bulk up , juanma. :nonono: come as is. come in the way you normally come in at 135. just don't cut weight.

Isn't he about the same weight as Pacquiao usually is on fight night anyway? Really dont see the point in adding weight.

He needs Victor Conte!!

doctors?....he needs mackie shilstone