Would size(weight) be a big factor in Pacquiao-JMM III?

Obviously. Did anyone see JMMs last WW fight? He was slow, fat, sluggish and his timing was off. He can barely move at Lightweight let alone WW. He will have no legs and will be a crafty punching bag. One can fight at the higher weights and the other one can't. Or maybe, just maybe Pac is too good? Or is that type of thinking not allowed when Pac is actually the bigger guy, only when he's the smaller guy? Because, it's funny how some people think Pac is too big for JMM, which I agree with. But, also don't think is not about Martinez size but skill level. Why can't the same hold true for this fight? That's the agenda I am talking about.

If it wasn't, this fight would be at 135. Coupled with age, yes very much. Marquez' legs will be the key to him losing this fight. They're lead at 135. At 144, he won't be moving period. and in his only fight above 135 he looked like absolute crap and it wasn't just the opponent in front of him that made him look that way he was slower of foot and handspeed, he looked like he was carrying a lot of unneeded bulk and he faded in the end something Marquez rarely does there is a simple reason as to why JMM is at 135 and it's amazing to me how some ignore for the sake of justifying this fight at this weight Well they either have to be the biggest Pac fans ever or just aren't very knowledgeable when it comes to the sport. Even at 135, Marquez isn't the same. Now we expect him to go up two divisions? :boxing::boxing::boxing:

Obviously. Did anyone see JMMs last WW fight? He was slow, fat, sluggish and his timing was off. He can barely move at Lightweight let alone WW. He will have no legs and will be a crafty punching bag. One can fight at the higher weights and the other one can't.

They are both the same size, one can fight at higher weights and the other can't

Nobody expects him to. He begged for it. He had t shirts made crying for attention about it. I particularly don't care for it because its way too late for this fight to happen and there is a difference in the weights they fight at. The second fight should have been the 3rd fight, but Juan b itched out of the rematch and went elsewhere and lost. I even made a thread saying people were going to s hit on this fight once it got made. I was sh*tting on this match beforehand. I definitely didn't want to see it at this weight and who cares if he was begging for it?

Well they either have to be the biggest Pac fans ever or just aren't very knowledgeable when it comes to the sport. Even at 135, Marquez isn't the same. Now we expect him to go up two divisions? Nobody expects him to. He begged for it. He had t shirts made crying for attention about it. I particularly don't care for it because its way too late for this fight to happen and there is a difference in the weights they fight at. The second fight should have been the 3rd fight, but Juan b itched out of the rematch and went elsewhere and lost. I even made a thread saying people were going to s hit on this fight once it got made. 11-28-2010, 03:44 AM Exposé Point of No Return The "I want Manny to fight Marquez" sign ups. Copy and paste this into your post and add your name. "I want Manny to fight Juan Manuel and will not cry about any weight, do not see Marquez as old and shot, and will not make excuses if Manny beats him again". _________________ I think its best we get this out of the way now, so that, if it does happen, we can see who really holds true to their word.

there is a simple reason as to why JMM is at 135 and it's amazing to me how some ignore for the sake of justifying this fight at this weight Well they either have to be the biggest Pac fans ever or just aren't very knowledgeable when it comes to the sport. Even at 135, Marquez isn't the same. Now we expect him to go up two divisions?

yes imo because this time although they will be similar weights on fight night, pac doesnt have to cut himself down to 130 and rehydrate. 140lbs would have been a fair weight, but the top p4p guys seem to be able to get away with whatever weight they want or they wont take the fight. 144 is bull****. they need to stop making up divisions.

If it wasn't, this fight would be at 135. Coupled with age, yes very much. Marquez' legs will be the key to him losing this fight. They're lead at 135. At 144, he won't be moving period. there is a simple reason as to why JMM is at 135 and it's amazing to me how some ignore for the sake of justifying this fight at this weight

fwiw, i think roach would want pac to come in lighter than his previous fights. he's fast already, but they'll need more of it this time.

although there is really no substantial size/weight difference between the 2, it will be a factor simply because pac has shown he can comfortably fight at welter whereas jmm didn't look good in his first try. or maybe it was a mistake for jmm to add that much weight against floyd and of course they can correct that this time by coming in lighter. still, everything remains to be seen how he gonna perform this time. he proved to be pac's achilles heel in the lower weights but can he do it at welter? me thinks he can not.

Pacquiao is already proven at this weight while JMM looks slow and sluggish. And Pacquiao still looks like he is still in his prime albeit on a downhill and Marquez has significantly gotten older from their last fight. I just don't picture this as legit fight and it's very comparable to JMM-Floyd fight.

you can try to believe that jmm's limit is 135. i tend to think a lil higher coz he rehydrates up near pac's weight fight night. but let's be realistic here. pac could care less if a 3rd fight happens. jmm's the one begging here. he thinks he beat pac twice right? why would pac train uncomfortably and drain himself to 135? I don't think Pacquiao can make 135 healthy, Roach even said he couldn't make the weight. This fight IS what didn't need to happen in my opinion.

So why even make this thread then? Official weights? Lets look at them. In Marquez only fight above 135, he weighed in at 142. In Mannys fights, he has weighed 142, 144, 144.5, 145, 145.75. which averaged out to 144.25. Because of a two pound difference on the official scale, its going to make a difference? If the fights at 135, Manny destroys Marquez even quicker as his hands will be faster than at welterweight. The weight is not the issue here. The fact that Marquez ate shots from a sloppy Katsidis and tasted canvas, is. and in his only fight above 135 he looked like absolute crap and it wasn't just the opponent in front of him that made him look that way he was slower of foot and handspeed, he looked like he was carrying a lot of unneeded bulk and he faded in the end something Marquez rarely does

What do you guys think? If it wasn't, this fight would be at 135. Coupled with age, yes very much. Marquez' legs will be the key to him losing this fight. They're lead at 135. At 144, he won't be moving period.

yes, because Marquez looked like **** at Welterweight and would likely lose to most top Welterweights.

so the plan should be for Marquez to show up at the weigh-in as a lightweight and for Manny to continue weighing within the welter-weight limits...awesome, I'm sold. LMAO BTW, Manny is not going to weigh 141lbs, you know damn well he's going to take full advantage of that catch-weight limit. He was weight 141-142 after his training camp was finished. Instead of starving himself and not drinking fluids, he eats a couple of meals and then comes in later that day at 144-145. As far as Marquez, he isn't going to be weight training to bulk up for this fight like he did for Mayweather. Whether you want to acknowledge this or not, Marquez and his team do not believe Manny is alot bigger than him and at the end of the day....that's the only opinion that matters.

Yes the weight is a big difference, PAcquiao looks stronger now then when he fought Marquez has has way more power.

so the plan should be for Marquez to show up at the weigh-in as a lightweight and for Manny to continue weighing within the welter-weight limits...awesome, I'm sold. LMAO BTW, Manny is not going to weigh 141lbs, you know damn well he's going to take full advantage of that catch-weight limit. Exactly!!Someone finally figured it out.That's the flawful pactard logic hard at work.Marquez should just train as a lightweight for a welterweight fight.Wow,that's some amazing $hit.

Again on the day of the weigh in, Marquez comes in at 135 and Manny is 141-142. Even at that it's just 7lbs and is Marquez that big of a pu$$y he can't give up 7lbs to an opponent....something that happens all the time in boxing. so the plan should be for Marquez to show up at the weigh-in as a lightweight and for Manny to continue weighing within the welter-weight limits...awesome, I'm sold. LMAO BTW, Manny is not going to weigh 141lbs, you know damn well he's going to take full advantage of that catch-weight limit.