Will Dawson request testing for Hopkins bout?

I don't know why you make such a "big thing" about Steward "lying' to his fighter. This is a COMMON practice, especially in close or lacklustre fights to encourage and brisk up the fighter. It's done all the time, always has been. I didn't say it was NOT COMMON. I was making the point that the performance was anemic which the other dude obviously disagree.

I don't buy into the criticism HBO get and feel that has been covered mightily anyways thanks to 20 or so Hauser articles. Arum I feel gets much less heat and deserves more than HBO~ Plus I didn't want to get bogged down by that debate which is not really the matter at hand. I can see that this is your opinion, and we differ on this matter. HBO is a company, and in Law "a company has no heart". And the description which has unfolded throughout this interesting discussion shows that Arum has far more feeling and is more sensitive to the public. Just MY opinion.

Floyd didn't do that until after things fell apart to my knowledge and if they came before then those were always going to be a huge roadblock. They did take the whole mess public though which certainly made the problem much much bigger. I don't think Dawson would do that though he certainly doesn't seem like Floyd. ,No, very few people, if any, are like Mayweather, for which the public should be thankful. Although, strictly speaking there are many who are far worse, although they don't have the stage the way Mayweather has. All the same my recollection (which may be wrong) is that they were ploughing through the various conditions, and everything looked on track, when suddenly Mayweather came up with the Olympic Standard Test as a MUST. In my opinion it was this which caused the breakoff of the negotiations. His behaviour since seems to show that he really had no intention of fighting Manny P. but was in an exhilerated mood and wanted to take centre stage as the "righteous one".

I have no issue with any fighter asking for it based on however they feel, that guy is in the real dangerous position and has every right to know the guy across from him is clean. If they are straight on it then whatever, it is still a risk but if you don't care to know and are cool with it fine I am not the one in danger. I absolutely agree with you. It's a boxer's privelege to ask for testing, and also his right to not ask for testing. The onlooker should have no interest or say in the matter, it being strictly a matter for the fighters themselves. For us, it becomes merely an academic exercise.

Lol, I can't believe you are going to make it all the way through the thread.

Since Hopkins just had two recent fights against Pascal in Canada in front of sold out arena's i think Bernard would earn Bute more money than the super six winner. You are dreaming. The reason that the fights sold out was because they were in Canada in a part of the country which has been experiencing a HUGE boxing revival for the past 10 years or so, and especially since they presently have a few very good fighters who hold titles. Anytime they have appeared, no matter who the opponents were, right through their careers until now, they have sold out the house. Hopkins has absolutely nothing to do with it. If he had, this would be a FIRST for him, since he's Always been a drag on the box office, with absolutely NO crowd appeal. Regardless of his recent great win, no one in his right mind ever wanted to sit through 12 rounds of single sneak punches, clinches, rabbit punches, thumbs, regular butts and lacings, not to mention low hitting. Add to this, a series of grimaces, holding his stomach pretending there was a low blow, and all time poor acting performances, you have, ladies and gentlemen, rolled up in a single human being (I think) the person of Bernard Hopkins. He'll never win an Academy Award, although he tries hard.

This conversation is astonishing to me in that you can calmly discuss the behaviour and attitude of HBO without ANY kind of criticism, and when Bob Arum attempts the same kind of behaviour, whether he actually does it or not, he is subjected to a storm of criticism in which racism plays a prominent part. I don't buy into the criticism HBO get and feel that has been covered mightily anyways thanks to 20 or so Hauser articles. Arum I feel gets much less heat and deserves more than HBO~ Plus I didn't want to get bogged down by that debate which is not really the matter at hand.

He will do whatever he feels he should do~ HBO will do whatever HBO wants, Hopkins isn't that big a deal to HBO he is not long for the sport. Sure they want to show his fights but only the fights they want to show and the only one they would want currently is Dawson~ Hopkins ain't going to be allowed to fight a nobody on HBO~ that isn't how it works Hopkins isn't an up and comer he is a known quantity so there is no value in showing him fight a nobody. This conversation is astonishing to me in that you can calmly discuss the behaviour and attitude of HBO without ANY kind of criticism, and when Bob Arum attempts the same kind of behaviour, whether he actually does it or not, he is subjected to a storm of criticism in which racism plays a prominent part.

And what standard is that? Oh, so Pot is ok since it's from a tree and is NOT designed to improve performance than recreation? This is OST (OLYMPIC STYLE TESTING) you are referring right? You obvious have a VERY DIFFERENT standard which all athletes should abide. It's YOUR standard not an OST standard. I don't know anything about marijuana, but assuming that it causes a feeling of exhileration, then the fighter's attitude and actions would likely be altered.

No Dawson would not be the same. All he needs to do is to have it included in the contract. As long as he doesn't make wild accusations without any proof it is NOT the same. Floyd didn't do that until after things fell apart to my knowledge and if they came before then those were always going to be a huge roadblock. They did take the whole mess public though which certainly made the problem much much bigger. I don't think Dawson would do that though he certainly doesn't seem like Floyd.

Look, the main reason that BHop is fighting Dawson is the contract. Pascal ALREADY partially pulled the PED card. And it really harmed B-Hop's rep. Let me ask you this, if B-Hop said no what the f*ck Dawson is gonna do? I am sure HBO is gonna stroke Dawson's small c0ck to make the fight b/c Dawson is such a draw and because Stewards got some sort of special pull from HBO. Please, stop making sh1t up. BHop can get other opponents in that division. Let's look at it another way, if there were NO HBO contract, BHop would have gone elsewhere and Dawson would be holding his "big" c0ck. BHOP is now in top 10 p4p list now. Did you see Dawson's anemic performance? Steward had to f*ck lie to his fighter that he is losing to motivate his arse. I don't know why you make such a "big thing" about Steward "lying' to his fighter. This is a COMMON practice, especially in close or lacklustre fights to encourage and brisk up the fighter. It's done all the time, always has been.

What Pascal did was what Mayweather Sr. did he just said stuff, Dawson would be doing what Jr. did and if the fight doesn't go through then B-Hop is in the exact same situation as Manny to a lesser degree because the stakes are much lower but it is the exact same at that point. Dawson is the next guy in line like him or not and agreed to step aside to let this fight happen rather than get into a legal mess considering Pascal was obligated to give Dawson a rematch and that was before the Hopkins fight. There is no one except Dawson for B-Hop so if Dawson feels the desire to pull that card he should he can force it on B-Hop~ If you don't get that it is not worth going further with this. No Dawson would not be the same. All he needs to do is to have it included in the contract. As long as he doesn't make wild accusations without any proof it is NOT the same.

All the signs about Hopkins for years now seem to point to it somehow. Yet that there is no proof means that there is nothing there. Until......... I have no issue with any fighter asking for it based on however they feel, that guy is in the real dangerous position and has every right to know the guy across from him is clean. If they are straight on it then whatever, it is still a risk but if you don't care to know and are cool with it fine I am not the one in danger.

BHop is more bankable NOW than Berto. Has the presence now and has recognition thru out the years. HBO WILL find a fight for him over Dawson. BTW, look likes the fight is coming to agreement. We shall see. So what Berto technically had a future so paying him now is an investment that is why he was getting paid, plus he was getting groomed because some big stars were in that division. That is not the case at 175~ HBO will not find a fight it doesn't want, in fact they will poo-poo other fights to make sure they get what they want and they clearly want Hopkins-Dawson. Dawson may not even ask for it~ which is on him if he feels fine about it then I am fine he is the one that is in the dangerous position not me.

If Dawson feels that is important he should, but if he doesn't then whatever I am not going to be worried about it either if he isn't. It would be cool if B-Hop took the bull by the horns and dealt with it though. All the signs about Hopkins for years now seem to point to it somehow. Yet that there is no proof means that there is nothing there. Until.........

yea..marijuana.............stop reading boxrec I recall about 3-4 years ago Augustus was asked to fill in at short notice. He said that he'd been smoking marijuana, and the promoters said it didn't matter they neede hi to make up the bill. So he fought.....and lost. I can't think who his opponent was.

HBO does not always do that, and I already told you those situations are not alike. There is no future in B-Hop so that investment would not appeal to them, they will only invest in him if they get what they want. BHop is more bankable NOW than Berto. Has the presence now and has recognition thru out the years. HBO WILL find a fight for him over Dawson. BTW, look likes the fight is coming to agreement. We shall see.

We went over this as well. ok? I disagree. If HBO is willing to pay Berto $1mil to fight essentially nobodies, why wouldn't they pay BHop who is a legend? HBO can put up actual contenders (with some marketing of course) that ppl who want to see. HBO does not always do that, and I already told you those situations are not alike. There is no future in B-Hop so that investment would not appeal to them, they will only invest in him if they get what they want.

Because there are none that they would want to buy for the price that B-Hop would want~ We went over this as well. ok? I disagree. If HBO is willing to pay Berto $1mil to fight essentially nobodies, why wouldn't they pay BHop who is a legend? HBO can put up actual contenders (with some marketing of course) that ppl who want to see.

Gambler, why wouldn't HBO take other available options for other fights (reasonable contenders) for BHop? Dawson would probably rematch against Pascal. Because there are none that they would want to buy for the price that B-Hop would want~ GBP would have to finance a PPV that would do not very well although may cover costs for B-Hop to fight any of those guys, and I doubt B-Hop even cares to put in that work in that sort of fight.