Why is Pongsaklek Wonjongkam Rated P4P #7 By The Ring Ratings?

I don't know to much about him but I see that his last 3 opponents have a combined record of 2 wins 7 losses and NO that wasn't a typo! I see that he beat Koki Kameda but I don't see anything else to impressive. Look at his record and someone explain this to me. http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=34051&cat=boxer cu-cu-cu-cuz he is also a spelling bee champ besides being a boxer.

Thats just silly. Technically Zsolt Erdie was the lineal champ at LHW for years, doesnt mean he gets any special recongnition because he wasnt fighting any worthy opponents other than Garay during his 'reign'. I only base accomplishments by who they beat. I have a very hard time believing that 4 different fighters that were the best in the division over a 8 year period, including Darchinyan, 'avoided' a fight with Wonj. during his title reign, he literally only fought one top fighter at Flyweight: Naito. this is a fact. Im not going to give him imaginary wins over people that 'ducked' him, I only count who he actually beat. And it doesnt take much time to look over someones career. I got curious a month or so ago and looked over his career, and frankly Im not too impressed. Title defenses only mean something if theyre over good competition. and over Wonjs 17 title defenses, only 2 were against good competition. can you dispute this? They didn't duck him per se, but they didn't pursue the fight. Why would they? It does when all you're doing is looking at year end rankings. Wonjongkam has beaten top contenders atleast most years of his reign. He deserves his place in the list. Unless, his year continues as it has, which it won't.

After Kameda, considering all he had accomplished, I think Wong more than earned recognition as one of the best in the game. Steak, he's beaten quite a few good fighters along with the four you note (Hussein Hussein, Trash Nakanuma, Hidenobu Honda, and Luis Lazarte are all real work. Despite his record, even Keb Baas could be a handful). No, it's not earth shattering, and he left A LOT on the table (to be explored some day in a MaAT piece), but saying off Kameda he was one of the top ten wasn't a stretch IMO. Since that fight, more than a year, he's done jack squat and a little less. The Sosa mandatory is a serious fight and where the hell is it? He's too high at Ring IMO, but I don't give any advisement on that. I'm close to removing him from the BScene ratings, but have given some grace because a) meh, it's P4P, it's not that urgent and b) Sosa could get signed. Fighting to keep the table full is one thing but his year-plus since Kameda used to be called an exhibition tour. BI is a good poster but just a few months ago he openly admitted he doesn't know a single thing about Wonjongkam and to be frank, all he has done is looked at the year end rankings. Wonjongkam has beaten solid opponents msot years of his reign consistently and he deserves a spot in the 10. Unless of course, his 2011 carries on as it is (which it won't)

After Kameda, considering all he had accomplished, I think Wong more than earned recognition as one of the best in the game. Steak, he's beaten quite a few good fighters along with the four you note (Hussein Hussein, Trash Nakanuma, Hidenobu Honda, and Luis Lazarte are all real work. Despite his record, even Keb Baas could be a handful). No, it's not earth shattering, and he left A LOT on the table (to be explored some day in a MaAT piece), but saying off Kameda he was one of the top ten wasn't a stretch IMO. Since that fight, more than a year, he's done jack squat and a little less. The Sosa mandatory is a serious fight and where the hell is it? He's too high at Ring IMO, but I don't give any advisement on that. I'm close to removing him from the BScene ratings, but have given some grace because a) meh, it's P4P, it's not that urgent and b) Sosa could get signed. Fighting to keep the table full is one thing but his year-plus since Kameda used to be called an exhibition tour.

His resume performs sodomy by force on ward's resume, takes all of it's possessions, and makes it do his laundry. this isnt really true. unless ur talking about longevity. either ur hating on ward or ur overrating pong's career drastically. his best win in the last 2 yrs is kameda, and that wasnt exactly an easy win. ward has been far more impressive.

Wonjongkam was a damn good fighter in his prime and has come solid/decent wins on his resume. He fought Naito, but the were others who campaigned a while at 112 that would've looked good on his resume. Fighters like Darchinyan, Parra, Sakata, etc. I think Arce was his mandatory at one point, but for some reason I don't know, the fight was never made. However, at this point, he's clearly on the slide, he looked pretty bad against Chokchai. I have a bit of a tough time seeing him as a top ten P4P fighter right now. He's due to fight Sosa later this year, it's a fight that he could definitely lose.

His resume performs sodomy by force on ward's resume, takes all of it's possessions, and makes it do his laundry. thats not an informed statement. dont look at Wonjs title defenses, he barely beat any high level competition there...only Naito, actually. his only notable wins over the last 5 years are over Miranda and Kameda. Do you really think thats better than Ward's wins over Kessler(best guy at 168lbs), Abraham, Bika and Green? whats funny is that Wonj has only beat 4 high level opponents his entire career... Tunacao Naito Miranda Kameda the same number as Ward. Although to be fair he did beat Naito twice...I guess Ill ignore that the only worthwhile opponent Naito ever beat was Wonj himself, and thats the only reason hes ever been in rankings period...

His resume performs sodomy by force on ward's resume, takes all of it's possessions, and makes it do his laundry.

....because that's how they put food on the table over there.

To be honest, he doesn't belong on the pound for pound list anymore and neither does Giovanni Segura. I think The Ring has some bias in their rankings when it comes to their champions. Pong is a good fighter, but he's clearly slipped. I haven't seen him since the Kameda fights, but his competition is not top ten worthy. He's a hall of famer, but I don't think he is one of the best ten fighters in the sport which is what the pound for pound list should be imo.

That's nice he owns the division, but to be honest its very very very thin, and there are far better boxers who deserve to be p4p, for example Carl Froch

well for one he had 17 title defenses of his title, lost it, regained it and hasn't lost since. At one point he won 55 fights in a row. He beat Daisuke Naito, by KO, twice, who was/is a solid fighter, then lost to him then had a draw. After he beat Koki Kameda, which is obviously a solid win. A lot of those thai fighters they fight A LOT in thailand cuz that's how they eat. So if you see a lot of 0-3 guys or whatever it's because they need to put food on the table. another thing is often some of those thai fighters are better than there records indicate because boxrec may not have all of the data. There are quite a few thai fighters who may be listed on boxrec as being 1-2 but in fact have well over 50 fights. Some of them are kick boxers as well. It's crazy over there I know...people are acting like this guy is a hypejob...dude is pretty damn good. He has been around awhile and has won more fights than an entire handful of other boxers in the top p4p rankings combined.

LOL at people sayin these are stay-busy fights waiting for bigger fights. This is how you do it over there. the little guy in the redbull shorts ruled the fukn flyweight division for almost a decade. He is holding the record for the fastest KO for a fly in a championship. he has fought daiko 4 times, 2 times outclassing him and later in his carreer drew and lost to him in close fights. Daiko then lost to youngstar Kameda, but Wonjongkam beat Kameda in his hometown, still provin hes the best fly out there. hes gettin older tho.

None of those guys wanted to fight Wonjongkam. Why would they? Too much risk too little reward. jCorrect me If I'm wrong, but a few months ago you said you knew literally nothing about Wonam and now you are saying all of this? You're just looking at the Annual Ratings and seeing who were Top 10 at the end of the year and seeing he didn't fight them. He fought alot of people who were ranked ie Top in the Top 10 when he fought them. He was #1 at Flyweight for many years, beat or fought solid opponets most of those years. Fought Naito 4 times and only lost once, ontop of Kameda, Miranda was also a solid win 2 years ago. Not forgetting he deserved he descion in 08 over Naito. sicne then he has fought a legit opponent every year (expcept 2011) That, ontop of his Lineage, and longvity at the weight, desevres a P4P spot. #7, is absolutely fair. Thats just silly. Technically Zsolt Erdie was the lineal champ at LHW for years, doesnt mean he gets any special recongnition because he wasnt fighting any worthy opponents other than Garay during his 'reign'. I only base accomplishments by who they beat. I have a very hard time believing that 4 different fighters that were the best in the division over a 8 year period, including Darchinyan, 'avoided' a fight with Wonj. during his title reign, he literally only fought one top fighter at Flyweight: Naito. this is a fact. Im not going to give him imaginary wins over people that 'ducked' him, I only count who he actually beat. And it doesnt take much time to look over someones career. I got curious a month or so ago and looked over his career, and frankly Im not too impressed. Title defenses only mean something if theyre over good competition. and over Wonjs 17 title defenses, only 2 were against good competition. can you dispute this?

Pongsaklek Nice name.

None of those guys wanted to fight Wonjongkam. Why would they? Too much risk too little reward. jCorrect me If I'm wrong, but a few months ago you said you knew literally nothing about Wonam and now you are saying all of this? You're just looking at the Annual Ratings and seeing who were Top 10 at the end of the year and seeing he didn't fight them. He fought alot of people who were ranked ie Top in the Top 10 when he fought them. He was #1 at Flyweight for many years, beat or fought solid opponets most of those years. Fought Naito 4 times and only lost once, ontop of Kameda, Miranda was also a solid win 2 years ago. Not forgetting he deserved he descion in 08 over Naito. sicne then he has fought a legit opponent every year (expcept 2011) That, ontop of his Lineage, and longvity at the weight, desevres a P4P spot. #7, is absolutely fair. This is pretty spot on imo. I have seen him fight quite a bit because on Galavision(crappy mexican feed i get in Arizona) they showcase him quite a bit. And he has been ruling the division for a long long time. I think a lot of people have a "what you done lately" attitude when it comes to p4p rankings. Which shouldnt be the case at all. However, having said that I dont think he should be in top ten p4p because other fighters in different weight divisions are out there fighting and beating top opponents. This isnt a knock on Pongsaklek or what he's achieved, and it kinda sucks that he gets so little recognition, but if someone like Andre Ward is out there winning titles, winning super six tournaments, beating Bute, moving up to LHW how in the world is he not going to be p4p ranked ahead of Wonj?

long overdue how? He barely beat any of the best fighters at flyweight while he was champion. His wins over Tuacao and Naito were good, buts thats about it. Almost every one of his other title defenses were over weak competition. it was like Ivan Calderon. All those title defenses, but barely any of them were actually against good competition. And notice how Wonj never unified either. He never fought Lorenzo Parra, who was literally side by side with him in the division for 4 years straight. Not to mention he never fought Eric Morel, Irene Pacheco or Darchinyan, who were all rated highly at Flyweight for multiple years while he was champion. But he never fought any of the best fighters in his division. Wonj's title defense streak is very misleading. He only has a handful of good wins throughout his career. None of those guys wanted to fight Wonjongkam. Why would they? Too much risk too little reward. jCorrect me If I'm wrong, but a few months ago you said you knew literally nothing about Wonam and now you are saying all of this? You're just looking at the Annual Ratings and seeing who were Top 10 at the end of the year and seeing he didn't fight them. He fought alot of people who were ranked ie Top in the Top 10 when he fought them. He was #1 at Flyweight for many years, beat or fought solid opponets most of those years. Fought Naito 4 times and only lost once, ontop of Kameda, Miranda was also a solid win 2 years ago. Not forgetting he deserved he descion in 08 over Naito. sicne then he has fought a legit opponent every year (expcept 2011) That, ontop of his Lineage, and longvity at the weight, desevres a P4P spot. #7, is absolutely fair.

For the same reason JCC Sr. was on the p4p list for so long....lots of "stay busy/ feed his family" fights....beats whoever they put in front of him, young/old alike....he has some good/great names on his resume....he needs some Worldwide exposure to the casual fans....

He seemed quite visibly on the slide to me in his last title defence. I imagine he will lose his next legit fight, which is a shame. I don't want to see him go anywhere near Segura at this point. That wouldn't be a pretty sight. Well yeah of course he'd probably get destroyed vs Segura, but I think that would give him a career high payday and he can go out on a good note even if he loses. Then return home with more money than ever and continue to fight bums on his home turf. After all the guy does deserve it after all these years.

He got in the list by beating Kameda which was just over a year ago. Since then he has defended his title once which was late last year. That's why he is still in there. Well color me impressed, I didnt know he beat Kameda. Ok thats a good win as I thought Kameda was undefeated still..oops. Regardless, it shouldn't be enough to get land him a spot in the top ten p4p lists, especially one that is seen as prestigious as The Ring. Although as mentioned, The Ring specifically has become somewhat of a joke. On that note, anyone have any idea which publication/pundits have the best/most accurate/respected p4p list?