Assuming he's no.2 now. What does he have to do to surpass Manny?
Also assuming that Manny beats Marquez this Winter, and Bradley next Spring.
What does Sergio need to do to top that? :boxing:
Aslong as Pacquiao is with Arum he has no chance, Arum is like the Don of the media, he controls the outcome, when he was over Floyd's career he had Floyd hyped up as the best ever also.
Sergio stated correctly, the best way to become P4P number 1 is to beat the number 1 P4P guy, which is Manny Pacquiao.
Beating WARD, BUTE, Jean Pascal, all of those guys above him in weight won't do him any good, Pac fans will just argue that they bums or washed up, and ESPN journalist really don't follow boxing so they wouldn't know the true meaning of beating all of those guys.
Beating Floyd won't work either, simply because they will say he beat the dude that was running for Pacquiao, which will still lead to him being NO.2 P4P.
Show a bit of consistency, and hang around long enough. If no challenges in own weight division step up and fight perhaps the winner of super 6, be it froch or ward.
He wouldnt be p4p no1 by beating pac at 154, because thats 2 divisions north of Pacs best weight.
Pac was no2 for ages behind Floyd, when he should have been no1.
How can it be his best weight and he's only had one fight at that weight?
Since Pacquiao is fighting Marquez, he just needs to fight a good opponent. Any good opponent vaults him to #1 for me. If Mayweather comes back and fights Ortiz, then he would have to do more, probably have to beat Mayweather.
Show a bit of consistency, and hang around long enough. If no challenges in own weight division step up and fight perhaps the winner of super 6, be it froch or ward.
He wouldnt be p4p no1 by beating pac at 154, because thats 2 divisions north of Pacs best weight.
Pac was no2 for ages behind Floyd, when he should have been no1.
For Martinez to be P4P No.1 he needs to fight someone other than Dzinziruk and Pavlik
A rubber match with Williams and a fight at 168 possibly. Forget about Pacman or Floyd, aint gna happen
As long as Pacman is active,fighting old,shot,shopworn & apparently now blown up lightweights,Martinez has no chance.He'd have to go up in weight & fight the best fighters at 168 & 175 I guess,just like Pacman didn't fight the best fighters at welterweight.
i'm talking about mosley's performances, not manny's. lol
only thing i'm saying is martinez is on his way to becoming p4p #1, putting on good performances and hopefully fighting ranked MWs. manny isn't fighting formidable opponents in shane and likely marquez. plus there's talks about judah or bradley, no way man, those would be hatton ko's over unimportant fighters. unless manny goes down to 140 to unify the division, that would mean khan would be screwed, lol.
well then , blame mosley......he aint in the p4p list for a whle now anyways....like i said, manny fighting shane ( weher you thinbk he old and shot) is still better than sergio beating an unrancked mw fighter.. so in order for sergio to have a case at being p4p king , he needs to take fights opposite to what he did in his last fiht which is fihgt atleast a ranked fighter.......
horrible?........lol....he beat them in a in a oneside fashion....damn, if that is horrible to you then you must have higher standards that sergio can only dream of keeping.....lol...berto on paper is good but not that much given he's always had flawss wih his game...sergio on the other hand gets 2 wins and a win vs an unrakd mw and wants to be p4p king?........SHHHIIIITTTT, dream on underacheiver...lol
i'm talking about mosley's performances, not manny's. lol
only thing i'm saying is martinez is on his way to becoming p4p #1, putting on good performances and hopefully fighting ranked MWs. manny isn't fighting formidable opponents in shane and likely marquez. plus there's talks about judah or bradley, no way man, those would be hatton ko's over unimportant fighters. unless manny goes down to 140 to unify the division, that would mean khan would be screwed, lol.
because pacs last 7 fights were against weight drained damages goods who couldnt pull the trigger and floyd fights fu** all..that leaves sergio on #1..well #2 b-hop deserves nr one spot now.
even if he still was ranked, his last two peformances were horrible, why would the number #1 p4p fighter face someone like that? why not the wbc champ berto (at that time), wba champ senchenko, or the undefeated jones. mosley sells good, great, but why take a fight with someone you know will most likely be in it for the paycheck (which turned out he was)?? i'm pretty sure any of those 3 guys would wanna put up a fight. plus, why did manny even go 12 rounds with him? he almost stopped him in the round that bayless ruled a knockdown for shane, why did people boo at the #3 and #1 welterweight fighters? because the fight wasn't worth a damn since the beginning man!!! lol....opinions though right?
horrible?........lol....he beat them in a in a oneside fashion....damn, if that is horrible to you then you must have higher standards that sergio can only dream of keeping.....lol...berto on paper is good but not that much given he's always had flawss wih his game...sergio on the other hand gets 2 wins and a win vs an unrakd mw and wants to be p4p king?........SHHHIIIITTTT, dream on underacheiver...lol
I understand the criticism with catchweight fights but I think the only way Martinez is gonna fight a SMW is with catchweight. I doubt he's gonna fight a full SMW without catchweight but props to him if he does and let alone beat them.
i think he is capable of it. he rehydrates past 168 if i'm not mistaken. only thing i would rather have is for martinez to try and unify the middleweight division. that can get him more recognition, especially if he decides to fight once or twice at the opponent's native country (ppv buys and stuff). smw is busy with the super six and bute, so if martinez could get a shot against the top guys (bute or super six winner) i'd be all for it
shane being shot is a fukking opinion ...it is baseless....shane being ranked at ww# 3 is a fact same as segiey being unranked at mw.....id rather deal with facts if you know what i mean......lol
even if he still was ranked, his last two peformances were horrible, why would the number #1 p4p fighter face someone like that? why not the wbc champ berto (at that time), wba champ senchenko, or the undefeated jones. mosley sells good, great, but why take a fight with someone you know will most likely be in it for the paycheck (which turned out he was)?? i'm pretty sure any of those 3 guys would wanna put up a fight. plus, why did manny even go 12 rounds with him? he almost stopped him in the round that bayless ruled a knockdown for shane, why did people boo at the #3 and #1 welterweight fighters? because the fight wasn't worth a damn since the beginning man!!! lol....opinions though right?
boxing doesn't need more catchweights, there will just be more people criticizing martinez then there already are. he can make smw, but he still has formidable opponents to face at 160, and has an option to face pretty big names at 154. plus, sergio already faces taller guys than him. weight doesn't matter if your opponent isn't worth a damn, there is no point in facing guys at 168 unless they're the top guys in the division....if they give martinez a shot, i'd want to see it too, but no catchweights...
I understand the criticism with catchweight fights but I think the only way Martinez is gonna fight a SMW is with catchweight. I doubt he's gonna fight a full SMW without catchweight but props to him if he does and let alone beat them.
would you rather have a fighter who's coming up in weight but is younger/taller than you? or a fighter who is proven old & shot (plus runs away the whole night)? plus martinez stopped dzinziruk, manny went to a decision.
shane being shot is a fukking opinion ...it is baseless....shane being ranked at ww# 3 is a fact same as segiey being unranked at mw.....id rather deal with facts if you know what i mean......lol
sergio beat an unranked mw in his last fight...pac beating shane at ww is better than that win period....marinez is overratd right now, thats not to say he's not a good figfhter tho....
would you rather have a fighter who's coming up in weight but is younger/taller than you? or a fighter who is proven old & shot (plus runs away the whole night)? plus martinez stopped dzinziruk, manny went to a decision.
Sergio must atleast call some of the top guys at SMW for a catchweight fights. People need to realise that Sergio is a small MW similar to Pacquiao (small WW) and he can't make a full SMW. Saying so he need to beat the bigger guys.
boxing doesn't need more catchweights, there will just be more people criticizing martinez then there already are. he can make smw, but he still has formidable opponents to face at 160, and has an option to face pretty big names at 154. plus, sergio already faces taller guys than him. weight doesn't matter if your opponent isn't worth a damn, there is no point in facing guys at 168 unless they're the top guys in the division....if they give martinez a shot, i'd want to see it too, but no catchweights...
hopefully he can land a fight with cotto and chavez jr, get some attention on him, and move onto pirog, n'jikam, & other top MWs. if manny doesn't want to proof his 8 division status and fight the best opponent at 154, then why should martinez move up to 168? fukk the haters, he's doing enough to be a top fighter instead of manny fighting an older blown up marquez. i'll laugh if bradley is an actual opponent for manny after marquez, that's the shittiest option he can choose.
sergio beat an unranked mw in his last fight...pac beating shane at ww is better than that win period....marinez is overratd right now, thats not to say he's not a good figfhter tho....
hopefully he can land a fight with cotto and chavez jr, get some attention on him, and move onto pirog, n'jikam, & other top MWs. if manny doesn't want to proof his 8 division status and fight the best opponent at 154, then why should martinez move up to 168? fukk the haters, he's doing enough to be a top fighter instead of manny fighting an older blown up marquez. i'll laugh if bradley is an actual opponent for manny after marquez, that's the shittiest option he can choose.
Sergio must atleast call some of the top guys at SMW for a catchweight fights. People need to realise that Sergio is a small MW similar to Pacquiao (small WW) and he can't make a full SMW. Saying so he need to beat the bigger guys.
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