in your opinion who is the greater fighter overall. We know how both were in their primes, and have seen what they have done post prime as well. Who rates higher for you in a total comparison of their ENTIRE careers? Poll coming, vote, discuss, and give me reasons for your pick.
Jones will always be given the credit by those who value flash over substance.
I'm a fan of both, but obviously a bigger Hopkins fan. And I've been saying for years that Hopkins legacy is better than Roy's. Most people won't listen to this because multiple titles in multiple weight classes seems to be the only thing people value in this sport anymore.
But ever since the Tarver fight, Hopkins has continued to grind his way ahead of Jones in terms of skill, and the legacy thing is getting closer and closer. Then Roy got murked by Johnson, which further proved my point. Then Hopkisn beat Roy handily, and further proved my point.
And this past Saturday night Hopkins set a record and won yet another title, while Roy got murked.....again.
This is no way effects whether Hopkins is better. Roy losing when he's shot doesn't change what he did when he wasn't shot, and what Roy Jones has accomplished is still better than what Hopkins has done. Roy at his best was better, and he's accomplished more.
Jones will always be given the credit by those who value flash over substance.
I'm a fan of both, but obviously a bigger Hopkins fan. And I've been saying for years that Hopkins legacy is better than Roy's. Most people won't listen to this because multiple titles in multiple weight classes seems to be the only thing people value in this sport anymore.
But ever since the Tarver fight, Hopkins has continued to grind his way ahead of Jones in terms of skill, and the legacy thing is getting closer and closer. Then Roy got murked by Johnson, which further proved my point. Then Hopkisn beat Roy handily, and further proved my point.
And this past Saturday night Hopkins set a record and won yet another title, while Roy got murked.....again.
I think Hopkins got bigger names on his resume but Roy fought the tougher fights.
Ruiz
Toney
Tarver
Griffin
Hill
Hopkins
Reggie Johnson
Mccallum
These aren't star names but this are the tougher fighters considering this is is their natural weight class, and if you notice most of them Roy had to move up to their comfortable weight to fight at
Trinidad
De La Hoya
Wright
Pascal
Glen Johnson
Tarver
Pavlik
Bernard made most of these men on his list move up. They are the bigger wins but to me atleast not the tougher or better wins.
Both men are a huge part of history but Roy Jones was clearly the better fighter and actually took more risks. As time goes on Roy will get much more credit, Hopkins as well but I feel a lot of people are riding Hopkins right now because he is winning and Roy is losing.
Roy beat Bernard Hopkins in 1993, as well know. It counted the most then. Of course everyone say Bernard was green, but he was the number 1 contender for the title that night and was easily BESTED. If who you beat is the biggest factor....there is a start.
I was too young to follow boxing when Roy was in his prime...but he looked incredible...
Bernard has had the better longevity obviously...
Its gotta be close...you do have to factor in Bernard's longevity and Roy embarassing himself in the past years...
In all, it comes down to who beat the better fighters...
There are alot ofthigs to consider.....but the most important factor is Roy's weight classes. Not only did he go up in weight, but came back down onmore than one occasion. That was completely detrimental to Roy. With that being said...Roy has won more titles in more weight divisions, Hop's career is great but I have to roll with Roy. Look it up....Roy has been in more title fights, faced more champions, and he also did something quite profound in being the first in over a century and second overall to go from middle to heavyweight and win titles, then to come back down and win the light heavy title again....Im gotta go with Roy. No one holds Ali's twilight years against him, not Sugar Ray Leonard, or any other great. They have been stopped, SRR has been knocked out, Many all time greats have been knocked out... Bernard was never a superhuman type fighter, but a craft master, Roy was too, but used his athleticism to compliment his ring IQ in a different fashion. Bernard mastered the way of the wise with age and used boxing fundamentals, grit, a little dirty fighting, and pull out wins. The people that beat Roy, would get smashed in his prime. I think 9/10 boxing people can say the same. Bernard is great and also a top 25 all time great along with Roy Jones. His performance at an advanced age is amazing, but doesnt make his run at old age better than Roys overall accomplishments. Bernard is a great and Im a fan....but Roys accomplishments hold a bit more weight to me. Here is what Ill say in closing.....a prime Roy beats any version of Hopkins 10/10 times. But I admire and respect both fighters and we will never see the likes of these legends again!!!!!Be grateful and appreciate their accomplishment instead of trying to diminish one over the other.
Hopkins to me because he took more risks and withstood the test of time. Roy should have taken more risks when he was in his prime. It's sad to see him doing it at the twilight of his career.
To me, Bernard has had a greater career, but roy was a better fighter.
Roy's invincibility was shattered, it never happened to bhop. That has to account for something when you look at their entire careers.
Bhop also looked very good against dudes roy got ko'd by.
I've thrown my cent in this.
Hopkins' style served him pretty well and enabled him to stay longer. In contrast, RJJ's style requires a lot of energy and stamina. Fighters who rely on speed like RJJ may be better in their primes, but they're also better off retiring early.
Hopkins has the better career hands down. Bernard is a top ten fighter of all time in my opinion. He has fought and beat A-list fighters. Roy made a living fighting and beating C-list fighters. Roy, for whatever reason, never fought any top guys in his prime. The fight with Ruiz was a huge accomplishment. It was a great achievement for him. But, I've never considered Roy a great fighter. He was a great entertainer in the ring with great ability. But still, not a great fighter. He has not defeated enough big named opponents or top fighters in their prime. With the exception of an out of shape James Toney,what other top fighter has he fought and defeated? Hopkins have fought those type of fighters. He has been in the ring and was the underdog and won. He has never put on the performances that Roy has, but his resume is far more superior.
Clearly goes to Roy? How does it clearly go to Roy?
Who has been the more consistent one throughout their careers? Bernard Hopkins either dominated fights, had split close split losses, and never got knocked out. Whether in his 20's while he was still learning on the job, in his 30's while in his prime, or his 40's.
He is the greater fighter. Saying that Roy is greater because of what Roy did in his prime is like saying Mike Tyson is a greater Heavyweight than (Insert any great heavyweights name here).
Roy was the greater Athlete though, that one is for certain.
Didn't i specifically say Bernards legacy clearly outshines that of Roy? I think his career is greater than Roys.
The way Roy dismantled fighters in his prime makes me think he is a better fighter than Bernard. Besides the obvious, that he clearly beat Bernard.
There is a difference between fighting ability and legacy. At his prime, Roy is better than Bernards in his prime.
If Bernard starts losing, and fights into his 50s racking up losses while being shot, does that mean hes less of a fighter?