how can hopkins be better than calzaghe?

mate you need to cross off abraham on your sig. Good point...

Watched the fight again last night. Clear win for Calzaghe. mate you need to cross off abraham on your sig.

Watched the fight again last night. Clear win for Calzaghe.

WTF??? Are you guys mad??? Froch battered taylor, hopkins lost to him twice. Calzaghe schooled hopkins9hopkins was so shattered he had to resort to fake low blows). Hopkins lost to pascal(got knocked down twice), yet froch schooled pascal. Froch and calzagher would be a great match, but currently calzaghe is above froch. But calzaghe is def above hopkins Calzaghe is a atg, racist hopkins is literally not fit to lace his boots... You could possibly be joking and this is an attempt at sarcastic humour, but for the sake of my post i am going to assume you are serious. You must a complete retard of the highest calibre if you think calzaghe is the better fighter than Bernard Hopkins, i love how all these calzaghe fan boys hang on to the fact that with every Victory bernard gains, calzaghe gains some status, thats how much you hang from B-Hops balls. Calzaghe beat a false over hyped lacy, a finished near brain damaged roy jones, old eubank and robbed Hopkins of a victory. Calzaghe defeating kessler was his only highlight. Look at all the highlights of Bernard Hopkins. Your thread is a joke and so is carl froch you cunt.

Cuz Joe didn't fight WW's that's why.

i think i win this debate...again...

I'm just going to say anyone who says Joe beat up old BHop is just stupid. It wasn't like Joe was 24 when they fought they were both well aged. I'm not saying Joe is better but don't diminish his win over Bhop. why would anyone say calzaghe beat up hopkins period? he only landed a handful of clean punches the entire fight. hopkins outlanded him by a wide margin in most of the rounds and made him miss most of his punches. aka boxing but oh well he wasn't macho enough to stand and trade so he lost.

I'm just going to say anyone who says Joe beat up old BHop is just stupid. It wasn't like Joe was 24 when they fought they were both well aged. I'm not saying Joe is better but don't diminish his win over Bhop.

Hopkins 20 title defences (11 ranked) 1996 - Steve Frank (unranked), Joe Lipsey (#7), William Bo James (unranked) 1997 - John David Jackson (unranked), Glen Johnson (unranked), Andrew Council (unranked) 1998 - Simon Brown (unranked), Robert Allen (unranked) 1999 - Robert Allen (#7), Antwun Echols (#6) 2000 - Syd Vanderpool (unranked), Antwun Echols (#5) 2001 - Keith Holmes (#3), Felix Trinidad (#1) 2002 - Carl Daniels (#9) 2003 - Morrade Hakkar (unranked), William Joppy (#3) 2004 - Robert Allen (#2), Oscar De La Hoya (#2) 2005 - Howard Eastman (#1) Calzaghe has 7 in 21 some of your stats are just downright wrong. you should probably stop. the stats are right there and you continue to lie. robert allen was ranked all 3 times hopkins fought him. syd vanderpool was ranked when hopkins fought him. john david jackson was ranked when he fought him. we don't have the rankings when he fought council or johnson so saying they are unranked is just misleading. we don't know if they were ranked but council was ranked in the top 10 after hopkins fought him and johnson is a quality opponent so i count them just like i count bika for calzaghe even though he wasn't top 10 until later. hopkins fought 16 calzaghe fought 8 sven ottke fought 8 hopkins fought every guy who was ranked 1 or 2 from 96 till he left the division except harry simon who went to jail right after becoming number 1. there's no guy you can say hopkins ducked. there's no guy that had 20 title defenses at the same exact time as him. calzaghe never fought a number 1 or 2 guy till kessler in 2007. what was he doing all that time? good try though!

I have two points: 1) Because Hopkins has aged so well and adapted his style to match his age, people dont consider the fact that he was well past his physical prime when Calzaghe beat him. Calzaghe would not have been able to do that to the destroyer BHop of 1995-2000. 2) That was NOT a schooling. Calzaghe threw a bunch of ridiculous slap happy bull**** punches, Hopkins landed every punch that counted in that fight. Watch the whole damn fight in slow motion. If you wanna score rounds to Calzaghe for activity, fine, but that was not a schooling or an asskicking by ANY means.

Lol. The threadstarter is nuts...

Maybe Calzaghe shouldve grown some balls and challenged welterweights like Hopkins did? To be honest, welterweights are the only names I recognize on Bhops pedestrian resume. Half of his defenses were against Robert Allen who is a nobody, and inflated bums like Eastman and Joppy. The truth about the current Hopkins is that he cheats, fouls and slops his way to a stalemate. He cant decisively beat Taylor, Winky, Pascal or Calzaghe so his strategy is to make things ugly and hope the judges rule in his favor. here we go again....the Brits are solid posters on here IMO...but when it comes to Calz and B.Hop yall play funny ball...yall calim B.Hop made a career off beating smaller dudes but then claim B.Hop ducked Calz when B.Hop was a MW and Calz was a SMW...I dont get that logic :ugh:

Froch battered taylor, hopkins lost to him twice. Triangle logic doesn't work. By your logic, Andre Berto beats Kelly Pavlik. I mean, Berto beat Quintana, who beat Williams, who beat Martinez, who beat Pavlik. Therefore, Berto beats Pavlik. Right? See, it's stupid. The fact of the matter is that Froch didn't batter Taylor to begin with. It was an evenly contested fight and Taylor was probably winning until he was stopped. Good win, but that's not getting battered. Which implies a total destruction. Which didn't take place. It's a styles thing. To imply that Froch would be better than Hopkins is COMPLETELY stupid. And I'm a huge Carl Froch fan. That's just stupid. Calzaghe schooled hopkins9hopkins was so shattered he had to resort to fake low blows). Hopkins wasn't schooled. It was a close fight and Calzaghe landed about 19 punches a round. Not really a "schooling." Calzaghe schooled Lacy. Hopkins schooled Pavlik. Calzaghe pulled out a close one with Hopkins. You can't say you schooled a man that dropped you in the first round and who landed the harder shots. True, Calzaghe through more and thus, landed more. That's what happens in boxing. It's not a schooling. Don't talk ****e. Hopkins lost to pascal(got knocked down twice), yet froch schooled pascal. Hopkins has never lost to Pascal. True, he was knocked down. Hopkins knocked down Calzaghe. What's your point? Hopkins has a controversial draw that he really won and he has another clean vicotory over a prime fighter. End of story. THAT... was a schooling. Froch won a tough fight. Good, but a tough fight. Froch and calzagher would be a great match, but currently calzaghe is above froch. But calzaghe is def above hopkins I like Calzaghe, but Froch is better than Calzaghe in my eyes. Better competition and is chasing glory far more. Froch has Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham and Kessler on his resume. He only lost the Kessler fight, but looks to have come out of it in far better fashion. Once again, a styles thing. I'd put that list up against any of Calzaghe's fights. And you can't say Hopkins, because you spent your whole post claiming that Froch is better than Hopkins, so clearly in your opinion Hopkins sucks. Calzaghe is a atg, racist hopkins is literally not fit to lace his boots... Ridiculous post. HOPKINS has won the title that Calzaghe retired with... TWICE. Hopkins was recognized as the Middleweight champion in an undisputed fashion for close to five years. Calzaghe held the Light Heavyweight and Super Middleweight titles for less time, combined. I'm not talking about the ABC belts. I'm talking about having the legit championship. Hopkins had the Middleweight title once and for a longer time, not to mention, he's now a two time Light Heavyweight champion. I won't even get into resumes specifically. But the fact of the matter is that Hopkins beat more Hall of Famers than has Calzaghe. You can say a couple of them were smaller, but you could say Calzaghe fought them past their primes. So, Hopkins still comes out on top. Now, enough of this nonsense. They're both great fighters, but Hopkins ranks above him. And Froch does, too. End of story.

yep, also Calzaghe had a dominant second person in his division too, Ottke and Kessler cleaned up a lot of opponents.

Glen Johnson should've been ranked, I thought.

Since Calzaghe became Champion in 1997 Top 10 1998 Title Vacant 1.Frankie Liles 2.Joe Calzaghe 3.Richie Woodhall 4.Sven Ottke 5.Charles Brewer 6.Robin Reid 7.Thomas Tate 8.Vincenzo Nardiello 9.Andrej Shkalikov 10.Vinny Pazienza 1999 Title Vacant 1.Sven Ottke 2.Joe Calzaghe 3.Byron Mitchell 4.Markus Beyer 5.Charles Brewer 6.Thomas Tate 7.Frankie Liles 8.Richie Woodhall 9.Robin Reid 10.Glenn Catley 2000 Title Vacant 1.Sven Ottke 2.Joe Calzaghe 3.Bruno Girard 4.Charles Brewer 5.Thomas Tate 6.Dave Hilton Jr. 7.Dingaan Thobela 8.Glenn Catley 9.Byron Mitchell 10.James Butler 2001 Title Vacant 1.Sven Ottke 2.Joe Calzaghe 3.Byron Mitchell 4.Antwun Echols 5.Charles Brewer 6.Thomas Tate 7.Eric Lucas 8.Mads Larsen 9.Manny Siaca 10.Markus Beyer 2002 Title Vacant 1.Joe Calzaghe 2.Sven Ottke 3.Antwun Echols 4.Eric Lucas 5.Byron Mitchell 6.Charles Brewer 7.Mads Larsen 8.Manny Siaca 9.Anthony Mundine 10.Markus Beyer 2003 Title Vacant 1.Joe Calzaghe 2.Sven Ottke 3.Anthony Mundine 4.Antwun Echols 5.Danny Green 6.Byron Mitchell 7.Markus Beyer 8.Charles Brewer 9.Mads Larsen 10Robin Reid 2004 Title Vacant 1.Joe Calzaghe 2.Mikkel Kessler 3.Anthony Mundine 4.Antwun Echols 5.Danny Green 6.Jeff Lacy 7.Mads Larsen 8.Robin Reid 9.Markus Beyer 10.Manny Siaca 2005 Title Vacant 1.Joe Calzaghe 2.Mikkel Kessler 3.Jeff Lacy 4.Markus Beyer 5.Anthony Mundine 6.Danny Green 7.Manny Siaca 8.Otis Grant 9.Robin Reid 10.Librado Andrade 2006 Joe Calzaghe, Champion 1.Mikkel Kessler 2.Anthony Mundine 3.Jeff Lacy 4.Markus Beyer 5.Librado Andrade 6.Lucian Bute 7.Carl Froch 8.Allan Green 9.Denis Inkin 10.Peter Manfredo Jr. 2007 Joe Calzaghe, Champion 1.Mikkel Kessler 2.Anthony Mundine 3.Lucian Bute 4.Jeff Lacy 5.Librado Andrade 6.Carl Froch 7.Allan Green 8.Sakio Bika 9.Denis Inkin 10.Jean Pascal

Now, now, now lets look at all the "great" title defenses Mr. Calzaghe had... 1998: Joes ranked #2. Fought: Branko Sobot(unranked), Juan Ferreyra(unranked) 1999: Joes ranked #2 Fought: Robin Reid(ranked #9, NEVER REMATCHED after controversial win), Rick Thornberry(unranked), 2000: Ranked #2 Fought: David Starie(unranked), Omar Shieka(unranked), Richie Woodhall(unranked) 2001: Ranked #2 Fought: Mario Viet(unranked), Will McIntyre(unranked) 2002: Ranked #1 because Svettes challengers got worse then Joes.. Fought: Charles Brewer(ranked #6), Miguel Jimenez(unranked), Tocker Pudwill(unranked) 2003: Ranked #1 Fought: Bryon Mitchell(ranked #6) 2004: Ranked #1 Fought: Mger Mkrtchyan(unranked), Kabery Salem(unranked) 2005: Ranked #1 Fought: Mario Viet(unranked rematch), Evans Ashira(unranked) 2006: ranked #1 Fought: Jeff Lacey(#3), Sakio Bika(unranked) 2007: Ranked #1 Fought: Peter Manfredo(unranked), Mikkel Kessler(#2) 2008: Moved to Light Heavyweight Fought: Bernard Hopkins(#1), Roy Jones Jr(unranked seriously shot legend) So were saying somebody who fought 5 top 10 ranked opponents in 21 defenses when he was ranked 1 or 2, and only 2 of them were top 5, is an ATG? 5 years of his prime were against unranked opponents. Hopkins is his best win who was in his 40's. It's still a great win because of what Hopkins just did but Hopkins didn't have the speed he once had. Obviously lost a step, gave Joe the fight of his life and arguably beat him on technique alone. Then Joe never rematched to settle the score once and for all. Instead he fought Roy Jones who was out of his prime after he got KO'd by Johnson. He was seriously shot, no speed or reflexes anymore, came off a win against shot blown up Trinidad. So LMAO, is this really what you want to call ATG? Hopkins 20 title defences (11 ranked) 1996 - Steve Frank (unranked), Joe Lipsey (#7), William Bo James (unranked) 1997 - John David Jackson (unranked), Glen Johnson (unranked), Andrew Council (unranked) 1998 - Simon Brown (unranked), Robert Allen (unranked) 1999 - Robert Allen (#7), Antwun Echols (#6) 2000 - Syd Vanderpool (unranked), Antwun Echols (#5) 2001 - Keith Holmes (#3), Felix Trinidad (#1) 2002 - Carl Daniels (#9) 2003 - Morrade Hakkar (unranked), William Joppy (#3) 2004 - Robert Allen (#2), Oscar De La Hoya (#2) 2005 - Howard Eastman (#1) Calzaghe has 7 in 21

neutral fan of both, but i see joe always beating bhop more times head to head than the other way around.

When it's all said and done, Joe Calzaghe became a cokehead, and Bernard Hopkins became the oldest boxer ever to win a world championship title.

LMAO You mean the same Charles Brewer who got TRASHED by Antuan Elchol's in 3 ROUNDS after Hopkins stopped him FOR THE 2ND TIME BEFORE he fought Joe? The same Richie Woodhall that got iced by Keith Holmes who then got schooled by Hopkins? Who the fukk did Bryon Mitchell beat besides losing to Svette before he fought Joe? Joe fought Svettes leftovers haha Robin Reid got fukkin robbed, HOW COMES THEY NEVER REMATCHED? joe ducked it. Your really counting the Roy Jones Jr win? LMAO that is retard Joe nuthugging at it's finest. Roy Jones wasn't even CLOSE to being ranked at light heavyweight, he just came off a win over blown up shot Felix Trinidad LMAO. Hopkins and Kessler are his only top level wins. Hopkins is an A even though HALF the people that watched that fight thought he won, Kessller was a B, Lacey is a C+ at best. THATS ALL HE HAS!!! Still NEVER rematched Hopkins or Reid who he got gift decisions over. LMAO at you saying "world class title challengers" LMAO their no such thing you fukkin dumbass. Obviously if they can't win a world title their not world class genious. Joe had 21 defenses the same time as Svette Okke's 20 defenses. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? How can 2 fighters in the same weight class have 20 defenses at the same time? It's clearly garbage. How the fukk is Light Heavyweight his natural weight class? That is the most retarded fukking thing I ever heard in my life especially when his prime was at middleweight 2 classes below, if that was his natural weight class he would have starved himself to make Middleweight. Why didn't Joe fight Toney or Jones Jr at light heavyweight either? Hopkins already fought Jones Jr once IN HIS PRIME. Why was Joe such a biitch? Everybody knows BOTH divisions were shiit. Both middleweight & super middleweight except Bernard didn't have another fighter with the same number of title defenses at the same time LMAO. Thats how much of a joke that division was. Who did Joes opponents ever beat? 6 ranked fighters in 21 defenses? LMAO your boy is a fukkin joke. Your so delusional your dick sucking of Joe Calzaghe has gotten completely out of control! Stopped reading there, you never saw that fight obviously. Echols got dropped 3 ****ing times in the second round and ending up winning in a war, hardly trashing Brewer like your dumbass claims.