This time next year Calzaghe will no longer be in the discussion for GOAT of 168.

Neither will Roy Jones And neither will Andre Ward. In fact, there will be no discussion.... http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/01/19/article-0-031BB3ED000005DC-60_468x286_popup.jpg James "Chunky" DeGale is the future GOAT. You can't stop destiny. :rofl: :rofl:

what happens if all those dudes manage to catch an l over the next year or two?

JOE CALZAGHE HISTORY LESSON WHO IS THE LONGEST-REIGNING WORLD CHAMPION OF THE MODERN ERA? WHO WIN THE WBO,WBA,WBC,IBF,IBO AND RING MAGAZINE BELTS AT 168 AN 175?.. WHO IS THE ONLY ONE IN HISTORY TO BECOME UNDISPUTED SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION?.... WHO IS THE 1 OUT OF THE 4 MEN IN HISTORY TO HAVE OVER 20 TITLE DEFENCES?..... WHO WAS THE SECOND BOXER IN HISTORY TO WIN 3 CONSECUTIVE ABA TITLE AT 3 DIFFERENT WEIGHTS?.... WHO BEAT THE LONGEST-REIGNING MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION IN HISTORY?.. WHO IS THE 1 OUT OF ONLY 3 BOXERS IN HISTORY TO BE UNDISPUTED AND UNDEFEATED WORLD CHAMPION?.... WHO WAS CHAMPION FOR 11YRS AND RETIRED UNDEFEATED 46-0?..... joe calzaghe beat a 31yr old guy with over 20 championship fights to become champion when has froch, ward or anyone at 168 beat someone with over 20 championship fights?............. calzaghe beat 3 guy with over 24 championship fights people go on about froch's record mikkel kessler got the best record at 168 5 of his last 7 fight have been against undefeated fighter but people dont talk about that people dont talk about how froch's last 2 fights have been against guy's that just came off an L who has ward beat?.......kessler and bika joe calaghe was 35 when he beat them guys and he did a better job than a 25yr old ward did:nutkick: joe calzaghe is The only one in history to become Undisputed super middleweight champion he has had 24 championship fights has 3 ATGs on his resume Roy Jones Jr Chris Eubank Bernard Hopkins Beat 4 Undefeated Fighters Mark Delaney 21-0 mikkel kessler 40-0 Mario Veit 30-0 jeff lacy 21-0 JOE CALZAGHE is the G.O.A.T 46-0=46:nutkick: great post...............

Neither will Roy Jones Jr. It will be Froch or Ward. Maybe, a big maybe in Bute if he decides to start his career. Maybe Dirrell if hes healthy. But for certain Ward or Froch will be the only ones worthy of that claim. Wave goodbye to your legacy Joe. :wave: Please man, when Ward gets to 20 plus title defenses, let me know. Ward needs much, much more to even scratch the surface. A win against a heavybag and a guy Joe served up his first loss to doesn't guarantee someone recognition like that. Froch will look ordinary against Johnson who will get inside and put a beating on Froch.

Is this a serious post? Since when do you have to defend a belt 21 times to be the GOAT of a weight class? Especially when 98% of your defenses are against bums? Ward has defended his belt what 3 times already? He already has better title defenses. Kessler, Green, Abraham and potentially Froch/Johnson? In just 4 defenses thats better than what Calzaghe did. You have to look AT the calibre of opponents not just a number streak. Jan Zaveck if he fights bums forever could string together 21 WW title defenses. Means nothing. You surely can't be suggesting Ward comes close to Joe at this point or at any point dude. I agree you have to look at the caliber of opponents but you also have to look at styles and Ward is one boring a**, drip of a boxer. Don't give me the BS about it's tactics either. (I hear that argument with B-Hop alot too) You would be correct in saying it is tactics but the BS is he deploys those tactics because of shortfalls in his boxing ability.

stfu with ur bs overrated statistics. At SMW: Wards legacy = Joes legacy. After Super 6. Wards legacy> Joes legacy :bottle: you can't handle the truth you silly boy:fing26:

Calzaghe fought 18 of his 46 in Wales. Ward has fought 18 out of 24 in California. I don't see Ward fighting his next 22 fights outside of California. No one would turn up to see this guy. Mentioning the hometown is important because if there were no other boxers willing to leave home then there would have been no tournament. a lot of people fight in california. calzaghe the only person i know thats fought in wales.

just to clarify i have respect for all posters on this forum no matter how wrong their opinions are lol.

I am talking about Ward. Only guy in the supersix who is afraid of leaving his hometown. Shiiiiiiiiiiit,, even the cowardly lion Andre Dirrell has bigger balls. dont get mad at Ward for having a good promoter also Calzaghe fought in his backyard for 15 years so dont even try to use the hometown excuse.

lmao. come on kid. you cannot be serious? valid point! anywhooooo even if you dont agree with me u will with in a year or so.

oaklandstephen is showing a biased towards Ward Ward needs to be respected for remaining undefeated thus far but you have to question the manner in which it was done. All his fights are in California. The only supersix boxer not to travel. Beating Abraham, Bika and Green at this stage doesn't say a lot to be honest. These were bread and butter fights. The heck r u talkin about? Mostly all of joes fights at smw were at home fool!

LOL LOL silly boy LOL LOL miranda was a middleweight and never a world champion green was never a champion bika was never a champion abraham was a middleweight that just came of 2 L JOE CALZAGHE RESUME; joe calzaghe beat 9 world champions Chris Eubank, was a 2 weight champion and had 24 world tltle fights Richie Woodhall was a 2 weight champion and had 6 world tltle fights Roy Jones Jr was a 4 weight champion and had 25 world tltle fi Charles Brewer had 7 world tltle fights Bernard Hopkins, the best middleweight of all time he has 25 world tltle fights Mikkel Kessler, has 11 world tltle fights and is the reigning wbc champion Robin Reid had 8 world tltle fights Byron Mitchell had 8 world tltle fights Jeff Lacy had 7 world tltle fights if you add all these world champions title fight up it adds up to 121 world championship title fight joe calzaghe fought world class Former world title challengers Sakio Bika Tocker Pudwill Omar Sheika David Starie Rick Thornberry Evans Ashira Juan Carlos Gimenez Ferreyra a lot of fighters joe calzaghe fought had a minimum of 20 wins with 1 lost and joe calzaghe has beat people that beat people that beat graciano rocchigiani james toney Kelly Pavlik Dariusz Michalczewski Glen Johnson Steve Collins Andre Dirrell Carl Froch Nigel Benn Antonio Tarver Arthur Abraham Gerald McClellan Julian Jackson Frankie Liles as a amateur calzaghe won four schoolboy ABA titles, followed by three consecutive senior British ABA titles (British Championships) between 1991 and 1993. This made him only the second boxer in history to win a ABA title in the welterweight, light-middleweight and middleweight divisions he had an amateur record of 110-10........Calzaghe made history as a amateur an pro stfu with ur bs overrated statistics. At SMW: Wards legacy = Joes legacy. After Super 6. Wards legacy> Joes legacy :bottle:

I have watched it quite a few times, and had that discussion one too many times lol, I thought calzaghe did enough to win, but I can see how people scored it for hopkins or a draw. I only mentioned this as other people in the thread have I know it wasn't at 168. As of now I would say that froch probably has the best resume at 168 all time but that doesn't make him the greatest, Ward and Calzaghe there resumes are probably quite even, if not slightly in favour of calzaghe due to some underrated wins and longevity. If Ward wins the super six like I expect him too, that doesn't necessarily propell him to goat at smw because in all seriousness like I mentioned before, Ward's best wins would be kessler, froch, and abraham, and I believe calzaghe would have dominated froch and abraham, and did clinically beat a very good kessler. This doesn't mean that Andre Ward won't do it, but not after the super six for me. Like I said before doesn't judgement count for something, you can't base your whole opinion on resume alone, you have to make a sound judgement about the fighters, calzaghe had a distinct lack of competition during his era, and the big guys the fights were not easy to make, the likes of jones and hopkins, and ottke, those fights were very difficult to make, as they were all established stars, and to be honest everyone knows frank warren tried to make hopkins for calzaghe. But there was not a big pool of world class fighters like there is now, but when they came along calzaghe fought them, everyone wanted the lacy fight and he did his thing, everyone said he would lose to kessler and he beat him like I said very one sided. 1)froch got a gift against dirrell and u know he did because he got a sd in his hometown and he lost to kessler so thats why i dont think he is the best at smw. 2) u could say at the moment calzaghes resume at smw is slighty ahead of wards do to longevity and underrated wins, i dont disagree with it. 3) I dont agree with u not rating ward as goat at smw if he wins the super 6 because u "think" calzaghe could have beatin them. im basing wards legacy at smw based on his accomplishments. But i agree calzaghe didnt have the type of competition ward has right now.

I totally agree. The S6 winner alone gets more respect from me than the fradulent career of Joe Calzaghe. You started watching boxing, what 2 years ago? You have a lot to learn.

Andre Ward Amature: 2004 Olympic Gold Medalist >> Calzaghe's amature career Ward at SMW: Miranda, Kessler, Green, Bika, Abraham = Calzaghe at SMW: Kessler, Bika, Eubank(old), Lacy Once Ward wins the super six his resume will surpass Joes legacy at super middleweight. LOL LOL silly boy LOL LOL miranda was a middleweight and never a world champion green was never a champion bika was never a champion abraham was a middleweight that just came off 2 L JOE CALZAGHE RESUME; joe calzaghe beat 9 world champions Chris Eubank, was a 2 weight champion and had 24 world tltle fights Richie Woodhall was a 2 weight champion and had 6 world tltle fights Roy Jones Jr was a 4 weight champion and had 25 world tltle fi Charles Brewer had 7 world tltle fights Bernard Hopkins, the best middleweight of all time he has 25 world tltle fights Mikkel Kessler, has 11 world tltle fights and is the reigning wbc champion Robin Reid had 8 world tltle fights Byron Mitchell had 8 world tltle fights Jeff Lacy had 7 world tltle fights if you add all these world champions title fight up it adds up to 121 world championship title fight joe calzaghe fought world class Former world title challengers Sakio Bika Tocker Pudwill Omar Sheika David Starie Rick Thornberry Evans Ashira Juan Carlos Gimenez Ferreyra a lot of fighters joe calzaghe fought had a minimum of 20 wins with 1 lost and joe calzaghe has beat people that beat people that beat graciano rocchigiani james toney Kelly Pavlik Dariusz Michalczewski Glen Johnson Steve Collins Andre Dirrell Carl Froch Nigel Benn Antonio Tarver Arthur Abraham Gerald McClellan Julian Jackson Frankie Liles as a amateur calzaghe won four schoolboy ABA titles, followed by three consecutive senior British ABA titles (British Championships) between 1991 and 1993. This made him only the second boxer in history to win a ABA title in the welterweight, light-middleweight and middleweight divisions he had an amateur record of 110-10........Calzaghe made history as a amateur an pro

Although hopkins is a good win on calzaghe's record it was a close fight and when u watch it very closely u can see calzaghe missed most of his punches which is one of the reasons i scored it for hopkins. Also we're talkin about calzaghe's legacy at SMW not Light heavyweight. I have watched it quite a few times, and had that discussion one too many times lol, I thought calzaghe did enough to win, but I can see how people scored it for hopkins or a draw. I only mentioned this as other people in the thread have I know it wasn't at 168. As of now I would say that froch probably has the best resume at 168 all time but that doesn't make him the greatest, Ward and Calzaghe there resumes are probably quite even, if not slightly in favour of calzaghe due to some underrated wins and longevity. If Ward wins the super six like I expect him too, that doesn't necessarily propell him to goat at smw because in all seriousness like I mentioned before, Ward's best wins would be kessler, froch, and abraham, and I believe calzaghe would have dominated froch and abraham, and did clinically beat a very good kessler. This doesn't mean that Andre Ward won't do it, but not after the super six for me. Like I said before doesn't judgement count for something, you can't base your whole opinion on resume alone, you have to make a sound judgement about the fighters, calzaghe had a distinct lack of competition during his era, and the big guys the fights were not easy to make, the likes of jones and hopkins, and ottke, those fights were very difficult to make, as they were all established stars, and to be honest everyone knows frank warren tried to make hopkins for calzaghe. But there was not a big pool of world class fighters like there is now, but when they came along calzaghe fought them, everyone wanted the lacy fight and he did his thing, everyone said he would lose to kessler and he beat him like I said very one sided.

I have never understood why people think Joe calzaghe's win over hopkins doesn't mean anything. He was on a winning run when calzaghe fought him, and the only reason why people **** on him for it is because he was expected to completely dominate hopkins and it was a very close fight and he didn't look good, but since when has anyone looked good against hopkins?? He is still whooping young fighters, even now! Hopkins had looked like a new man at light-heavy, and he had good preparaton for the calzaghe fight when you consider his last 2 opponents were tarver and wright (lefties). You add to that it was calzaghe's first fight at light-heavy. Calzaghe fought a good (not great) fight, hopkins was gassed by the end and calz put a lot of pressure on him, and was landing more shots as the fight went on, I have never seen hopkins struggling like that physically before or after. I think even now b-hop would be a big step up over anyone ward has fought. In terms of froch, I am not a big on fantasy match ups, but surely even the biggest calzaghe haters cannot favour froch in that fight, I am sure calzaghe would dominate froch, at the very worst it would be a hard fought but clear points victory, calzaghe is better on the inside, better on the outside, better hand speed, better defence, equal chin, froch has better power. Although hopkins is a good win on calzaghe's record it was a close fight and when u watch it very closely u can see calzaghe missed most of his punches which is one of the reasons i scored it for hopkins. Also we're talkin about calzaghe's legacy at SMW not Light heavyweight.

I have never understood why people think Joe calzaghe's win over hopkins doesn't mean anything. He was on a winning run when calzaghe fought him, and the only reason why people **** on him for it is because he was expected to completely dominate hopkins and it was a very close fight and he didn't look good, but since when has anyone looked good against hopkins?? He is still whooping young fighters, even now! Hopkins had looked like a new man at light-heavy, and he had good preparaton for the calzaghe fight when you consider his last 2 opponents were tarver and wright (lefties). You add to that it was calzaghe's first fight at light-heavy. Calzaghe fought a good (not great) fight, hopkins was gassed by the end and calz put a lot of pressure on him, and was landing more shots as the fight went on, I have never seen hopkins struggling like that physically before or after. I think even now b-hop would be a big step up over anyone ward has fought. In terms of froch, I am not a big on fantasy match ups, but surely even the biggest calzaghe haters cannot favour froch in that fight, I am sure calzaghe would dominate froch, at the very worst it would be a hard fought but clear points victory, calzaghe is better on the inside, better on the outside, better hand speed, better defence, equal chin, froch has better power.

JOE CALZAGHE HISTORY LESSON WHO IS THE LONGEST-REIGNING WORLD CHAMPION OF THE MODERN ERA? WHO WIN THE WBO,WBA,WBC,IBF,IBO AND RING MAGAZINE BELTS AT 168 AN 175?.. WHO IS THE ONLY ONE IN HISTORY TO BECOME UNDISPUTED SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION?.... WHO IS THE 1 OUT OF THE 4 MEN IN HISTORY TO HAVE OVER 20 TITLE DEFENCES?..... WHO WAS THE SECOND BOXER IN HISTORY TO WIN 3 CONSECUTIVE ABA TITLE AT 3 DIFFERENT WEIGHTS?.... WHO BEAT THE LONGEST-REIGNING MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION IN HISTORY?.. WHO IS THE 1 OUT OF ONLY 3 BOXERS IN HISTORY TO BE UNDISPUTED AND UNDEFEATED WORLD CHAMPION?.... WHO WAS CHAMPION FOR 11YRS AND RETIRED UNDEFEATED 46-0?..... joe calzaghe beat a 31yr old guy with over 20 championship fights to become champion when has froch, ward or anyone at 168 beat someone with over 20 championship fights?............. calzaghe beat 3 guy with over 24 championship fights people go on about froch's record mikkel kessler got the best record at 168 5 of his last 7 fight have been against undefeated fighter but people dont talk about that people dont talk about how froch's last 2 fights have been against guy's that just came off an L who has ward beat?.......kessler and bika joe calaghe was 35 when he beat them guys and he did a better job than a 25yr old ward did:nutkick: joe calzaghe is The only one in history to become Undisputed super middleweight champion he has had 24 championship fights has 3 ATGs on his resume Roy Jones Jr Chris Eubank Bernard Hopkins Beat 4 Undefeated Fighters Mark Delaney 21-0 mikkel kessler 40-0 Mario Veit 30-0 jeff lacy 21-0 JOE CALZAGHE is the G.O.A.T 46-0=46:nutkick: Andre Ward Amature: 2004 Olympic Gold Medalist >> Calzaghe's amature career Ward at SMW: Miranda, Kessler, Green, Bika, Abraham = Calzaghe at SMW: Kessler, Bika, Eubank(old), Lacy Once Ward wins the super six his resume will surpass Joes legacy at super middleweight.

Calzaghe is undoubtably the best and will be for a long time. The right time to discuss this is when fighters like Ward and Froch come to the end of their careers and retire, then you will see if they have maintained for long enough and kept the quality of opponents high. But they might just move to 175 soon anyway so they definatley wouldn't be the best at 168 as they won't have been there for long enough. You just can't judge this yet.