Manny's time could be a lot closer than we think.

Cut the shyt................ Pac is still prime. Hes just garbage against elite counter punchers.

that's all i wanted to point for those that think Floyd is the exception ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This

Let's face it. JMM got his number. Some guy just know how to fight the other fellas. And Pac is in definite decline and Bradley won't be easy as well.

he's clearly shot. if floyd doesn't fight him now i just don't know.........it's a gift wrapped all time great win.

Mannys time is nearly up i mean hes 32, and look at SRL was done at this age practically. Mannys beeen beating mostly elite fighters since beating barrera, and has been on top and no1 p4p for how long? A long time. But hes still good enough to be favoured against anyone right now, and depending on when PBF decides he wants to fight we dont know what condition a fighter Pac will be. Yes Floyd is a cherry picker and he knows the time he will want Pac. Floyd is FAMOUS for sitting on the sidelines wathcing his potential opponents beat each other up and then takes the morsels. In fact Floyd reminds me vulchers who wait until lions have finished eating and then he eats the leftovers. This his the best analogy of Floyd ive ever heard. WOW

So it was a 38 year old LW to do it, I'm still shocked though.

this is how warped the flomo mind is, Shane badly hurt floyd, Shane NEVER HURT PAC. Shane went down against pac, Shane never went down against floyd. Shane lost every round against pac, Shane won a round against floyd. Shane landed more punches on floyd than pac, Shane's face was more beat up vs pac than floyd, yet in conclusion, according to the flomo formula, floyd would obliterate pac. Its funny how flomos GAINED CONFIDENCE after watching the shane v pac fight yet it most likely compounded floyd jr.'s RELUCTANCE to get in the ring with pac. lmbo, thats good stuff

Mannys time is nearly up i mean hes 32, and look at SRL was done at this age practically. Mannys beeen beating mostly elite fighters since beating barrera, and has been on top and no1 p4p for how long? A long time. But hes still good enough to be favoured against anyone right now, and depending on when PBF decides he wants to fight we dont know what condition a fighter Pac will be. Yes Floyd is a cherry picker and he knows the time he will want Pac. Floyd is FAMOUS for sitting on the sidelines wathcing his potential opponents beat each other up and then takes the morsels. In fact Floyd reminds me vulchers who wait until lions have finished eating and then he eats the leftovers.

Just hear me out. Since the Margarito fight I've seen the decline. I went from actually being 50-50 in a possible Mayweather-Pacquiao fight, to slightly leaning towards Floyd to win, to now comfortably picking Floyd to win. The wear and tear, wars he's been in, the constant training camps he has to go through, the fact that he fights consistently, it's all gonna catch up to him...probably sooner than we think. So when it happens don't be shocked. He's wasting his time against now mediocre opponents, so he'll have himself to blame when it happens. It doesn't have to be Floyd to do it, it can very well be Ortiz or Timothy Bradley. Manny's the kind of fighter that can't afford to lose speed, or any sort of athletic ability. When he's unable to get into those weird angles, what then? Leg cramp or not, Mosley shouldn't have been able to make him miss that many times, Pacquiao should have gotten him out of there. Agreed. Like Roy Jones, once he loses the speed and reflexes he is a sitting duck (unlike someone with great basics like Hopkins.) And fighting easy fight after easy fight will not prepare him for someone like Floyd or even a fighter of slightly higher caliber then he has been fighting. Its like an NBA team playing against a local highschool over and over to get ready for the NBA Finals. Likely going to backfire.

Just hear me out. Since the Margarito fight I've seen the decline. I went from actually being 50-50 in a possible Mayweather-Pacquiao fight, to slightly leaning towards Floyd to win, to now comfortably picking Floyd to win. The wear and tear, wars he's been in, the constant training camps he has to go through, the fact that he fights consistently, it's all gonna catch up to him...probably sooner than we think. So when it happens don't be shocked. He's wasting his time against now mediocre opponents, so he'll have himself to blame when it happens. It doesn't have to be Floyd to do it, it can very well be Ortiz or Timothy Bradley. Manny's the kind of fighter that can't afford to lose speed, or any sort of athletic ability. When he's unable to get into those weird angles, what then? Leg cramp or not, Mosley shouldn't have been able to make him miss that many times, Pacquiao should have gotten him out of there. I saw the same decline in him back when he was fighting Solis and before he made the jump to lightweight. He was in decline back then, nothing had changed he has been through so many wars even up to that point. That's why I was somewhat surprised he looked how he did against Diaz and others when he moved up. A normal human wouldn't have looked like that. I do not know how you get older and move up in weight, and your punch output increases.. But I guess thats's another issue. Look at his recent opponent selection. Most of them have been standing punching bags. Mosley is no exception he is washed up as is, but he can still move around a little. All it did was expose Pac's inability to cut off the ring and the difficulty he will face against a fighter that can move

that's all i wanted to point for those that think Floyd is the exception Agreed. Floyd is human as well. I do believe the way that Floyd has fought in the past has slowed potential decline compared to fighters who have taken more punishment, but age slows everyone. I guess we will have to wait and see with Floyd. If he fights Pac and he has lost a step or two he is in big trouble, and the same can be said for Pac.

I'm seeing it too. No matter how easy it seemed he beat Cotto and Margarito, those two suckers are (or were) monsters in their own right. THEY TOOK THEIR TOLL on Manny on his way to destroying them. It is inevitable to be scarred from entering the ring with them. He couldn't stop a Mosley that should have been easy pickings. He couldn't catch up to his moving away, unlike in the Cotto fight (although Cotto is not as mobile as Shane) where he was in his face and out in a sec... He may be ripe for the picking and I guarantee Arum will not throw him in with a threat anytime soon.

so you're saying that there's no chance that Floyd would be a few steps slower when he returns from his hiatus? that's the basic premise of my point...like i said before, he could be the same, or he could not be the same...i was refuting the opinions of some that it was not even a possibility and i used Winky as an example of even a textbook fighter that didn't need explosion and speed aging as a fighter due to inactivity and age Possible, but if a guy lets them self go really bad those chances are much greater. I am saying Winky letting himself go was just as much of a factor as time, there were more factors involved than just activity and age. That said no man can whoop father time, everyone fades over time.

Just hear me out. Since the Margarito fight I've seen the decline. I went from actually being 50-50 in a possible Mayweather-Pacquiao fight, to slightly leaning towards Floyd to win, to now comfortably picking Floyd to win. The wear and tear, wars he's been in, the constant training camps he has to go through, the fact that he fights consistently, it's all gonna catch up to him...probably sooner than we think. So when it happens don't be shocked. He's wasting his time against now mediocre opponents, so he'll have himself to blame when it happens. It doesn't have to be Floyd to do it, it can very well be Ortiz or Timothy Bradley. Manny's the kind of fighter that can't afford to lose speed, or any sort of athletic ability. When he's unable to get into those weird angles, what then? Leg cramp or not, Mosley shouldn't have been able to make him miss that many times, Pacquiao should have gotten him out of there. Even at his best Manny would never beat Mayweather.All he has to do is take the test

i was comparing Winky to Floyd, not PAC Winky was a fundamentally sound, texbook fighter whose defense allowed him to avoid punishment for much of his career...then when he took time off in the latter stages, he was never the same Yeah I knew you were comparing Winky to Floyd. Technique wise I completely agree with you. I was saying that Winky never relied on speed because he never had it. He was never a particularly gifted fighter athletically, he just had strong technique and one of the best jabs in the business.

i was comparing Winky to Floyd, not PAC Winky was a fundamentally sound, texbook fighter whose defense allowed him to avoid punishment for much of his career...then when he took time off in the latter stages, he was never the same Winky blew up though, if a guy stays in shape time off is not the same as if they let them self go~ look at some old fights while Winky was not fighting he was Super Size Winky you could tell even from a distance.

Just hear me out. Since the Margarito fight I've seen the decline. I went from actually being 50-50 in a possible Mayweather-Pacquiao fight, to slightly leaning towards Floyd to win, to now comfortably picking Floyd to win. The wear and tear, wars he's been in, the constant training camps he has to go through, the fact that he fights consistently, it's all gonna catch up to him...probably sooner than we think. So when it happens don't be shocked. He's wasting his time against now mediocre opponents, so he'll have himself to blame when it happens. It doesn't have to be Floyd to do it, it can very well be Ortiz or Timothy Bradley. Manny's the kind of fighter that can't afford to lose speed, or any sort of athletic ability. When he's unable to get into those weird angles, what then? Leg cramp or not, Mosley shouldn't have been able to make him miss that many times, Pacquiao should have gotten him out of there. did you just start watching boxing? Every fighter has flaws. Even Mayw.. styles make fights. fighters WHO fight make fights. Mosley stayed stationary infront of Mayw, took huge bombs from Mayw, but never ran for his life like he did against Pacq.. Manny won the fight as just as easy against Mosley than Mayw did. Hell Pacq even knocked his ole butt down in the 3rd. Remember in those DANGER ROUNDS where Mosley might KO Pacq!! I fully expect Mayw to run for his life against Pacq aswell. He wont attack Pacq like he did Mosley!! and if he does....... :boxing: Hes out..

This a very valid point. Floyd took 2 years off before and he was ok. Will he do it again? I'm 50-50. It doesn't matter how gifted you are, in your 30's you can't keep taking this amount of time off. Plus, Floyd outright relies in physcial attributes also. Losing them or them declining would effect him, badly. Only thing I'd add is floyd stays in relatively great shape outside the ring. He doesn't appear to have huge fluctuation in weight so maybe that contributes to his ability to stay on point after a long layoff.

Considering that Mosley/Mora was a far more entertaining fight than Pac/Mosley leads me to believe that Pac is definitely on the decline. I'm not even going to bring Floyd into it, but I think a fighter like Zab Judah could touch Pac up nicely at this point.

so now you're leaning towards a guy that you have no idea will look next time out? after sitting on the sideline for more than a year? Floyd's 35? that dude could be a shell of himself if/when he gets back in there...whether its against PAC or anyone This a very valid point. Floyd took 2 years off before and he was ok. Will he do it again? I'm 50-50. It doesn't matter how gifted you are, in your 30's you can't keep taking this amount of time off. Plus, Floyd outright relies in physcial attributes also. Losing them or them declining would effect him, badly.