The media and public are on to Arums cherrypicking ways check out this article from yahoo
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=dw-wetzel_pacquiao_prime_opponents_mosley_mayweather_bradley_vegas_050911
WHy did floyd agree to fight in January 2010 then? All he requested was MAnny take a drug test. Really, is that too much to ask?
It's easy to sign your OWN contract, from my understanding 24 days was offered to him.
No matter who he fights, he will be shiited on by his critics. Floyd had the same problem. They both handled it differently though. Floyd chose to just give up and Manny is fighting shiit fights. Ultimately, we the fans lose out.
will you stupid flomos stop this nonsense of yours? floyd never leave any leftovers. most of his wins were via boring ud's. his opponents can even fight the next day. so stop this stupidity. in comparison pac sends them into retirement and long-term injuries. where tf do you get all these peeps? they talk as if floyd massacred his opponents. what a joke!
Manny beats up opponents true. Floyd makes great fighters look ordinary. Two total different ways of domination, but domination none the less.
Great article, and I totally agree. That clottey fight should have never even happened and mosley humiliated himself with all the running. Its arums job to put pac in exciting fights that will sell and will further pacs legacy. While he is making a lot of money for pac, arum isn't putting him in the best possible situations. We always crap on floyd for wasting his talent, unfortunately manny is falling into the same pattern. Take out clottey and mosley, insert bradley and berto or maybe khan. Arum isn't doing his job, and his petty war with pantyhose man is killing fights that need to happen. Forget jmm, he needs to get pac a fight with either bradley or ortiz. No more retirement parties, I wanna see a real fight.
agreed....
In a couple of months Marquez is going to be a world beater in the media, Pac will say he may be a lightweight but he fights like a weltetweight and the media will buy it! Losing to Floyd obviosly means nothing cause pac gets more credit for beating his leftovers.
will you stupid flomos stop this nonsense of yours? floyd never leave any leftovers. most of his wins were via boring ud's. his opponents can even fight the next day. so stop this stupidity. in comparison pac sends them into retirement and long-term injuries. where tf do you get all these peeps? they talk as if floyd massacres his opponents. what a joke!
leftovers, my azz.
Great article, and I totally agree. That clottey fight should have never even happened and mosley humiliated himself with all the running. Its arums job to put pac in exciting fights that will sell and will further pacs legacy. While he is making a lot of money for pac, arum isn't putting him in the best possible situations. We always crap on floyd for wasting his talent, unfortunately manny is falling into the same pattern. Take out clottey and mosley, insert bradley and berto or maybe khan. Arum isn't doing his job, and his petty war with pantyhose man is killing fights that need to happen. Forget jmm, he needs to get pac a fight with either bradley or ortiz. No more retirement parties, I wanna see a real fight.
"Antonio Margarito, pummeled repeatedly, broken orbital bone, sent to hospital, career in jeopardy. Miguel Cotto, pummeled repeatedly, TKO’d, sent to hospital. Ricky Hatton, knocked out cold, sent to hospital, hasn’t fought since. Oscar De La Hoya, pummeled repeatedly, TKO’d, sent to hospital, hasn’t fought since. David Diaz, pummeled repeatedly, TKO’d, sent to hospital."
This is why Floyd doesn't want the fight.
WHy did floyd agree to fight in January 2010 then? All he requested was MAnny take a drug test. Really, is that too much to ask?
"Antonio Margarito, pummeled repeatedly, broken orbital bone, sent to hospital, career in jeopardy. Miguel Cotto, pummeled repeatedly, TKO’d, sent to hospital. Ricky Hatton, knocked out cold, sent to hospital, hasn’t fought since. Oscar De La Hoya, pummeled repeatedly, TKO’d, sent to hospital, hasn’t fought since. David Diaz, pummeled repeatedly, TKO’d, sent to hospital."
This is why Floyd doesn't want the fight.
Don't put all the blame to Pacman,
Before the fight, they criticize Pacman for not fighting African-American Boxer, so his promoter chose Shane. Shane resume looks fine but not his age, but then his friend Hopkins who is older, did perform great.
I don't agree that Pacman' prime has been squandered. In the past we saw great fighters fighting not so great opponents.
You see, Floyd jr has been the one squandering his Prime, ducking Pacman and prefer to beat up woman! he is somehow setting a record on the most numbers of Court cases filed against him!
It should be fought in the ring.
Bradley or Ortiz.
Marquez fight is crap, no one is going to give Pacquiao credit for that - see Morales 3.
People want to see with a possible threat and right now that is Bradley.
Exciting fight - Ortiz.
Bradley, Ortiz, Alexander, Judah.. all get slaughtered by Pac.. Any true fan of boxing knows this.. The only fighter that has a good chance of beating Pac is Floyd ScaredWeather and this is by out boxing Pac... Marquez has no chance of beating Pac especially at 145-147... Be real with yourselves.
Floyd dont want to fight Manny thats why we fans are being feed these pointless fights in hopes to see Manny slaughter his opponents rather then the opponent trying to just survive..
Atleast Marquez will come to fight compared to Shane..
Floyd Mayweather: "take the test we got a fight"
Bradley, Ortiz, Alexander, Judah.. all get slaughtered by Pac.. Any true fan of boxing knows this.. The only fighter that has a good chance of beating Pac is Floyd ScaredWeather and this is by out boxing Pac... Marquez has no chance of beating Pac especially at 145-147... Be real with yourselves.
Floyd dont want to fight Manny thats why we fans are being feed these pointless fights in hopes to see Manny slaughter his opponents rather then the opponent trying to just survive..
Atleast Marquez will come to fight compared to Shane..
People really needs to get off Pacquaio's back. Right now he is fighting everyone. He isn't about to stop. Sooner or later there'll be no choice for him but to face to younger generation because he's been in there with almost anyone from his generation. People says that he hasn't fought anyone on the same level as Cotto, and I agree, but who is there out there on the level of Cotto right now? Bradly?! Khan?! Ortiz?!
Or should he perhaps go up and face Martinez or Williams? Perhaps go all the way and face Hopkins?! :trink26:
But that's the problem, he isn't fighting everyone. Last year they had a poll on Pacland asking the fans who they wanted Manny to face next: they chose Marquez in a landslide decision, Berto 2nd, and Bradley 3rd. Mosley was dead last. Who did Manny choose to fight? Mosley.
If Manny wants to show his true greatness, he should be fighting the guys that will confirm his greatness if he wins like Martinez. He should be fighting young guys in their prime like Ortiz and Bradley. He may be fighting Marquez next but he's fighting Marquez at a most disadvantaged weight. Why fight Marquez at 145-147 when Manny could easily make 140?
Wetzel made valid points. Arum has been milking it and Pacquiao appears content and just doing it for monetary reasons like in his last 3 fights.
Boxing fans want to see Floyd but unfortunately Floyd can not grow a pair.
And then the proposed idea of Marquez at 145 looks like another Mayweathersque move.
As a boxing fan I would love too see him against Ortiz or Bradley or Khan. These are the fights that people would love to see.
Pacquiao and Arum deserved the criticism.
I agree with the top post absolute. Who else can he fight. Floyd, he's trying...Martinez, too big for pac?
It would be a 1 sided beat down if it were Bradley and Ortiz was a bum up until he beat another bum and paper champ the other week so Ortiz is new to the table. If Pac had fought Bradley or Ortiz and smashed them in stead of Mosley we'd have the exact same thread as this anyway. Boxing fans a so fickle sometimes.
He squandered a chance at actual, long lasting greatness. He has avoided every career defining fight he can in favor of forcing "history" by cherry picking weak, and old title holders. Some of those guys didnt even have a belt until they fought Manny. Then all the sudden the fight was for a "Diamond Belt" or some other comedic ****. Pac is afraid to fight anyone with a pulse, and he loses respect of fight fans and sports writers with every fight. People went from calling him an all time great, to now really wondering if it really IS all about how he is matched up. Manny takes the money and acts like he is surprised that his fights suck so hard. When you fight a 39 year old who hasnt won in years, and looked aweful in his last two fights (which remember he didnt win) what the **** do you expect? Arum said Shane was done after the Mayweather fight, but made the fight anyways. Manny could be the best thing in the world for Boxing if he gave a ****. But as it is, he and Arum are turning it into a ****ing joke. Squander? Understantement of the year.
This^^
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It's about time. In a year or two, new generation will create more excitement.
I agree, but there's none from the younger generation who stands a chance. Every fight he takes with them will be discredited afterwards or seen as sugar on a candyfloss.
There's only 1-2 fights out there for Pacquaio and he says Martinez is too big, and the last is too much of a cunt to step in. (Unless the accusations of Pacquaio not agreeing to take the blood tests is true)
The author of the article is probably new to boxing or to Pacquiao. Pacquiao already made his career in the featherweights by beating ATG/HOF in Barrera, Morales and JMM. Anything after them (above Lightweight) is just a bonus.
these guys weren't watching at that time manong
People really needs to get off Pacquaio's back. Right now he is fighting everyone. He isn't about to stop. Sooner or later there'll be no choice for him but to face to younger generation because he's been in there with almost anyone from his generation. People says that he hasn't fought anyone on the same level as Cotto, and I agree, but who is there out there on the level of Cotto right now? Bradly?! Khan?! Ortiz?!
Or should he perhaps go up and face Martinez or Williams? Perhaps go all the way and face Hopkins?! :trink26:
It's about time. In a year or two, new generation will create more excitement.
He squandered a chance at actual, long lasting greatness. He has avoided every career defining fight he can in favor of forcing "history" by cherry picking weak, and old title holders. Some of those guys didnt even have a belt until they fought Manny. Then all the sudden the fight was for a "Diamond Belt" or some other comedic ****. Pac is afraid to fight anyone with a pulse, and he loses respect of fight fans and sports writers with every fight. People went from calling him an all time great, to now really wondering if it really IS all about how he is matched up. Manny takes the money and acts like he is surprised that his fights suck so hard. When you fight a 39 year old who hasnt won in years, and looked aweful in his last two fights (which remember he didnt win) what the **** do you expect? Arum said Shane was done after the Mayweather fight, but made the fight anyways. Manny could be the best thing in the world for Boxing if he gave a ****. But as it is, he and Arum are turning it into a ****ing joke. Squander? Understantement of the year.
stopped right there
he KO'd prime Barrera
KO'd Terrible to avenge his loss
beat JMM on 2 close decisions in FOTY candidates
Pac cleaned up in his prime
now he's just beating up whoever's around
you know, since his 1 lone true challenge refuses to fight him :laugh:
But that's the problem, he isn't fighting everyone. Last year they had a poll on Pacland asking the fans who they wanted Manny to face next: they chose Marquez in a landslide decision, Berto 2nd, and Bradley 3rd. Mosley was dead last. Who did Manny choose to fight? Mosley.
If Manny wants to show his true greatness, he should be fighting the guys that will confirm his greatness if he wins like Martinez. He should be fighting young guys in their prime like Ortiz and Bradley. He may be fighting Marquez next but he's fighting Marquez at a most disadvantaged weight. Why fight Marquez at 145-147 when Manny could easily make 140?
I disagree, while Mosley might not be the best guy to fight, he's no knockoff, or at least I thought he wasn't. But now he is taking Marquez again, and it seems Marquez is fine with moving up to face the champion. And while I agree with you (even though you didn't say it) Manny is to some degree taking some, what I would consider small, advantadges. But to discredit yesterdays whole generation of welterweight, because of one man, is a disgrace. If he took on Martinez it would be one of the most awesome things in boxing, but you can't discredit him for not going up in weight, that would be absurd.
Berto or Bradly, pft... You really think either of them would stand a chance? Maybe if they both got in the ring against him, they'd last more than 3 rounds.