~No Ceilings: Monthly P4P Rankings: May 9, 2011~

Every Month on the first Monday I'll post my opinion of the P4P rankings: 1. Sergio Martinez: The new P4P Number 1 imo. I cant stand this man because he destroyed my favorite fighter (Paul Williams) but I cant deny hes beastly. Hes been on a roll beating top Prime fighters. Cintron fight was a draw but we know the truth. He stopped Cintron. Outboxed Pavlik to win the Lineal Middleweight crown. Destroyed consensus Top 10 P4Pounder and even some publications and sites had him Top 5 and Top 3 fighter in Paul Williams. Then went on to outbox and stop JMW King, Dzizniruk. His chasing of Ishida, Zbik and Chavez worries me but hopefully he faces another top fighter. 2. Manny Pacquiao: Former Number 1. I have to drop him to number 2. He put on a lackluster performance against a dead man walking. His post presser comment of "If he doesnt want to fight what do i do" was disgusting and showed how little hes really improved. Um Manny you....adjust? I dont know cut the ring off maybe? Go to the body? Counter the jab over the top? Anyway ever since he waxed Cotto hes been downhill opponent wise. Clottey, Margarito, Mosley and now rumour has it JMM at 147. Hes wasting some good years of his career. Very good fighter, good person and a beast in the ring but he needs to go back to 2008 form. When he was a KILLER. His excessive glove touching almost made me throw up. Hes too nice at times. And before you say well it was Shane starting it. I'll tell you this Shane tried to touch gloves with Floyd one too many times and Floyd punched him in the face. Shane didnt attempt it again. 3. Floyd Mayweather Jr.: IMO hes the best fighter in all of boxing. Hands down. Just way too inactive. Really needs to get back in the ring. Money is wasting the last years of his career by being so inactive. 4. Nonito Donaire: I was a devout hater of this man because he fought fighters way below his talent level for YEARS. It was like he beat Vic and just dissapeared. His destruction of Montiel who destroyed another fave of mine in Hasegawa was just brutal. Almost decapitated the guy. Rumoured to being going after Vic, Arce and Moreno. 5. Wladimir Klitschko: I dont like him. At all. But I wont deny his talent, skill level and the fact that even though the heavies suck its not his fault. He just wipes his butt with everyone he faces. Fighting David Haye next in what is imo the biggest heavyweight fight in years. Haye has the elusiveness, expolsiveness, speed and one punch KO power to off Wlads on switch ,should be a great fight. 6. JMM: What can I say. The stone throwing, piss drinking master boxer still has it. Dude can still fight even at what 37? In the last 5 years has only 2 Losses to : Floyd and Pacquiao. Hes the number 1 Lightweight in the world. The division doesnt have much to offer him but I still hate the Diaz fight. Its a joke. Rumoured to fight Pac again...ofcourse at a weight where he wont be that effective. 7. Headbutt: Hes dominated everybody hes ever faced and as much as it pains me to say this hes the man right now at 140. He beat another fave of mine in Alexander in one of the ugliest fights of the year. Also rumoured to fight Pacquiao. Allegedly ducked Amir Khan but if its for a Pac fight cant really call it ducking. 8. Headbutt Jr.: My boy S.O.G. Imo the BEST 168 pounder in the world. Has a complte game. Offense, defense, strength, speed, smarts, deceptive power and a good beard to boot. You can make the case that he hasnt lost a legit round since 2009. Hes been dominating people with ease. I fully expect him to once again shut out another fighter against AA. 9. Carl Froch: The Cobra is a flat out beast. Look at this resume; Since 2008 hes fought in order Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler and AA and is scheduled to fight the Road Warrior. Sick, sick gauntlet to go through and imo he beat Kessler and lost to Dirrell. Froch not Pac has the best resume in boxing right now and its not even close. 10. Father Time: What is he 50 years old now? Just schooled Pascal didnt win the fight according to the judges though. Rematch coming up, if he stays on his feet he beats Pascal easily. Gotta watch the flash KD's. On the outside looking in: Cotto, Wonjongkam, Segura, Williams, Gamboa, Khan and Cunningham. Like some have mentioned for as far as I've read, you're gonna have to do away with Floyd, throw in Segura or maybe Khan :boxing:

Headbutt Jr, Burner? Red k given! :dance: LMAO :rofl::rofl:

Headbutt Jr, Burner? Red k given! :dance:

No Wonjongkam in the Top 10 P4P? The guy literally finally and deservedly gets in the top 10 after years going the hard route and people are already taking him out? Little unfair.

i know p4p is subjective and all, but i don't get the logic of putting pac to number 2 for not losing a round and knocking down a fighter. pac stays at number 1 until he loses or sergio wins against pirog and pac fights another easy fight also, get floyd outta there that's just me though

Every Month on the first Monday I'll post my opinion of the P4P rankings: 1. Sergio Martinez: The new P4P Number 1 imo. I cant stand this man because he destroyed my favorite fighter (Paul Williams) but I cant deny hes beastly. Hes been on a roll beating top Prime fighters. Cintron fight was a draw but we know the truth. He stopped Cintron. Outboxed Pavlik to win the Lineal Middleweight crown. Destroyed consensus Top 10 P4Pounder and even some publications and sites had him Top 5 and Top 3 fighter in Paul Williams. Then went on to outbox and stop JMW King, Dzizniruk. His chasing of Ishida, Zbik and Chavez worries me but hopefully he faces another top fighter. 2. Manny Pacquiao: Former Number 1. I have to drop him to number 2. He put on a lackluster performance against a dead man walking. His post presser comment of "If he doesnt want to fight what do i do" was disgusting and showed how little hes really improved. Um Manny you....adjust? I dont know cut the ring off maybe? Go to the body? Counter the jab over the top? Anyway ever since he waxed Cotto hes been downhill opponent wise. Clottey, Margarito, Mosley and now rumour has it JMM at 147. Hes wasting some good years of his career. Very good fighter, good person and a beast in the ring but he needs to go back to 2008 form. When he was a KILLER. His excessive glove touching almost made me throw up. Hes too nice at times. And before you say well it was Shane starting it. I'll tell you this Shane tried to touch gloves with Floyd one too many times and Floyd punched him in the face. Shane didnt attempt it again. 3. Floyd Mayweather Jr.: IMO hes the best fighter in all of boxing. Hands down. Just way too inactive. Really needs to get back in the ring. Money is wasting the last years of his career by being so inactive. 4. Nonito Donaire: I was a devout hater of this man because he fought fighters way below his talent level for YEARS. It was like he beat Vic and just dissapeared. His destruction of Montiel who destroyed another fave of mine in Hasegawa was just brutal. Almost decapitated the guy. Rumoured to being going after Vic, Arce and Moreno. 5. Wladimir Klitschko: I dont like him. At all. But I wont deny his talent, skill level and the fact that even though the heavies suck its not his fault. He just wipes his butt with everyone he faces. Fighting David Haye next in what is imo the biggest heavyweight fight in years. Haye has the elusiveness, expolsiveness, speed and one punch KO power to off Wlads on switch ,should be a great fight. 6. JMM: What can I say. The stone throwing, piss drinking master boxer still has it. Dude can still fight even at what 37? In the last 5 years has only 2 Losses to : Floyd and Pacquiao. Hes the number 1 Lightweight in the world. The division doesnt have much to offer him but I still hate the Diaz fight. Its a joke. Rumoured to fight Pac again...ofcourse at a weight where he wont be that effective. 7. Headbutt: Hes dominated everybody hes ever faced and as much as it pains me to say this hes the man right now at 140. He beat another fave of mine in Alexander in one of the ugliest fights of the year. Also rumoured to fight Pacquiao. Allegedly ducked Amir Khan but if its for a Pac fight cant really call it ducking. 8. Headbutt Jr.: My boy S.O.G. Imo the BEST 168 pounder in the world. Has a complte game. Offense, defense, strength, speed, smarts, deceptive power and a good beard to boot. You can make the case that he hasnt lost a legit round since 2009. Hes been dominating people with ease. I fully expect him to once again shut out another fighter against AA. 9. Carl Froch: The Cobra is a flat out beast. Look at this resume; Since 2008 hes fought in order Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler and AA and is scheduled to fight the Road Warrior. Sick, sick gauntlet to go through and imo he beat Kessler and lost to Dirrell. Froch not Pac has the best resume in boxing right now and its not even close. 10. Father Time: What is he 50 years old now? Just schooled Pascal didnt win the fight according to the judges though. Rematch coming up, if he stays on his feet he beats Pascal easily. Gotta watch the flash KD's. On the outside looking in: Cotto, Wonjongkam, Segura, Williams, Gamboa, Khan and Cunningham. Floyd is probably the BEST in the world skillwise...but dude been on the sidelines too long to be ranked P4P imo...minus Floyd, move everybody up one and add Agbeko....also, Froch has to be higher than Ward imo....Manny won EVERY round so it might be kinda premature to take his crown....he's STILL top dawg in my book...but Sergio is on his ass..no homo!!

Every Month on the first Monday I'll post my opinion of the P4P rankings: 1. Sergio Martinez: The new P4P Number 1 imo. I cant stand this man because he destroyed my favorite fighter (Paul Williams) but I cant deny hes beastly. Hes been on a roll beating top Prime fighters. Cintron fight was a draw but we know the truth. He stopped Cintron. Outboxed Pavlik to win the Lineal Middleweight crown. Destroyed consensus Top 10 P4Pounder and even some publications and sites had him Top 5 and Top 3 fighter in Paul Williams. Then went on to outbox and stop JMW King, Dzizniruk. His chasing of Ishida, Zbik and Chavez worries me but hopefully he faces another top fighter. 2. Manny Pacquiao: Former Number 1. I have to drop him to number 2. He put on a lackluster performance against a dead man walking. His post presser comment of "If he doesnt want to fight what do i do" was disgusting and showed how little hes really improved. Um Manny you....adjust? I dont know cut the ring off maybe? Go to the body? Counter the jab over the top? Anyway ever since he waxed Cotto hes been downhill opponent wise. Clottey, Margarito, Mosley and now rumour has it JMM at 147. Hes wasting some good years of his career. Very good fighter, good person and a beast in the ring but he needs to go back to 2008 form. When he was a KILLER. His excessive glove touching almost made me throw up. Hes too nice at times. And before you say well it was Shane starting it. I'll tell you this Shane tried to touch gloves with Floyd one too many times and Floyd punched him in the face. Shane didnt attempt it again. 3. Floyd Mayweather Jr.: IMO hes the best fighter in all of boxing. Hands down. Just way too inactive. Really needs to get back in the ring. Money is wasting the last years of his career by being so inactive. 4. Nonito Donaire: I was a devout hater of this man because he fought fighters way below his talent level for YEARS. It was like he beat Vic and just dissapeared. His destruction of Montiel who destroyed another fave of mine in Hasegawa was just brutal. Almost decapitated the guy. Rumoured to being going after Vic, Arce and Moreno. 5. Wladimir Klitschko: I dont like him. At all. But I wont deny his talent, skill level and the fact that even though the heavies suck its not his fault. He just wipes his butt with everyone he faces. Fighting David Haye next in what is imo the biggest heavyweight fight in years. Haye has the elusiveness, expolsiveness, speed and one punch KO power to off Wlads on switch ,should be a great fight. 6. JMM: What can I say. The stone throwing, piss drinking master boxer still has it. Dude can still fight even at what 37? In the last 5 years has only 2 Losses to : Floyd and Pacquiao. Hes the number 1 Lightweight in the world. The division doesnt have much to offer him but I still hate the Diaz fight. Its a joke. Rumoured to fight Pac again...ofcourse at a weight where he wont be that effective. 7. Headbutt: Hes dominated everybody hes ever faced and as much as it pains me to say this hes the man right now at 140. He beat another fave of mine in Alexander in one of the ugliest fights of the year. Also rumoured to fight Pacquiao. Allegedly ducked Amir Khan but if its for a Pac fight cant really call it ducking. 8. Headbutt Jr.: My boy S.O.G. Imo the BEST 168 pounder in the world. Has a complte game. Offense, defense, strength, speed, smarts, deceptive power and a good beard to boot. You can make the case that he hasnt lost a legit round since 2009. Hes been dominating people with ease. I fully expect him to once again shut out another fighter against AA. 9. Carl Froch: The Cobra is a flat out beast. Look at this resume; Since 2008 hes fought in order Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler and AA and is scheduled to fight the Road Warrior. Sick, sick gauntlet to go through and imo he beat Kessler and lost to Dirrell. Froch not Pac has the best resume in boxing right now and its not even close. 10. Father Time: What is he 50 years old now? Just schooled Pascal didnt win the fight according to the judges though. Rematch coming up, if he stays on his feet he beats Pascal easily. Gotta watch the flash KD's. On the outside looking in: Cotto, Wonjongkam, Segura, Williams, Gamboa, Khan and Cunningham. That is a damn good list, I wouldn't put Wlad on there but I believe that outside of the truly special heavyweights usually shouldn't be on there. Also, shouldn't Ward be Headbutt and Bradley be Headbutt Jr.?

the ppl at ring us the rule, and i for one, agree with it. with that said if u are arguing the subjective nature of p4p, thats cool. p4p lists are subjective but, there are things that most of us can agree on and i think most ppl agree that floyd should be removed from the list due to inactivity. that being understood, if ppl are debating p4p it is not a valid argument to make fun of sum1's list and then to state how subjective it is anyways. thats what miron did. Why do people worship the ring so much? Their rule is for their own ranking. It's not the rule for P4P ranking.

Why are you removed from that list after a year of inactivity? Who made up that rule? the ppl at ring us the rule, and i for one, agree with it. with that said if u are arguing the subjective nature of p4p, thats cool. p4p lists are subjective but, there are things that most of us can agree on and i think most ppl agree that floyd should be removed from the list due to inactivity. that being understood, if ppl are debating p4p it is not a valid argument to make fun of sum1's list and then to state how subjective it is anyways. thats what miron did.

The huge part of P4P and the true meaning of P4P. Is if both fighters were the same size, same height, same weight, same reach, who would win with the skills and styles. That is the true meaning of P4P that is the huge part of P4P. If it's recent achievements. Then you need to understand. That there is no definition for "recent". Recent can be last fight only. recent can be just one year, or recent can be last 3 years. Where does the "recent" cut off at? Thank you I would also like to apologize to DempseyRollin for not controlling my temper and saying those unnecessary things. --- New fans just doesn't get this pound for pound stuff. but hey its called opinion and they can even have their own criteria. so peace Arce over Vasquez alone > Dzin and Williams IMO <== :D

Why are you removed from that list after a year of inactivity? Who made up that rule? Hey Jro, your making too much sense here, they wont understand!!v:fingersx:

what u gave is a definition of what p4p is. a definition i already knew. that does not tell u how ppl come to the conclusion of who represents a p4p fighter. recent achievements is obviously a factor. and what qualifies as a recent achievements is indeed subjective. with that said if u as a fighter go on a yearly break "a la floyd mayweather' u are removed from the list because u have absolutely no recent achievements. so yes, it is factored in. the reason martinez made it to the #3 spot was because of his dominating win over p will, a recent achievement. so yes, they do factor in. there is no way u can argue it doesnt. Why are you removed from that list after a year of inactivity? Who made up that rule?

The huge part of P4P and the true meaning of P4P. Is if both fighters were the same size, same height, same weight, same reach, who would win with the skills and styles. That is the true meaning of P4P that is the huge part of P4P. If it's recent achievements. Then you need to understand. That there is no definition for "recent". Recent can be last fight only. recent can be just one year, or recent can be last 3 years. Where does the "recent" cut off at? what u gave is a definition of what p4p is. a definition i already knew. that does not tell u how ppl come to the conclusion of who represents a p4p fighter. recent achievements is obviously a factor. and what qualifies as a recent achievements is indeed subjective. with that said if u as a fighter go on a yearly break "a la floyd mayweather' u are removed from the list because u have absolutely no recent achievements. so yes, it is factored in. the reason martinez made it to the #3 spot was because of his dominating win over p will, a recent achievement. so yes, they do factor in. there is no way u can argue it doesnt.

so now ur telling me that ur recent achievements in the ring are not a huge part of p4p rankings? seriously? how could u possibly argue thats not the case? and if u dont wanna debate with me, thats fine. my point still remains. The huge part of P4P and the true meaning of P4P. Is if both fighters were the same size, same height, same weight, same reach, who would win with the skills and styles. That is the true meaning of P4P that is the huge part of P4P. If it's recent achievements. Then you need to understand. That there is no definition for "recent". Recent can be last fight only. recent can be just one year, or recent can be last 3 years. Where does the "recent" cut off at?

No that is not a huge part of P4P....Why would I even debate a poster like yourself who doesn't know what the huge part of P4P is. Until you find out what the huge part of P4P is then you can debate P4P list. so now ur telling me that ur recent achievements in the ring are not a huge part of p4p rankings? seriously? how could u possibly argue thats not the case? and once again, i clearly stated its a huge part. i did not state it was the only part. and if u dont wanna debate with me, thats fine. my point still remains.

1. Pacman!! 2. S. Martinez 3. Donaire 4. Marquez 5. A. Ward 6. B-Hop 7. T.Bradley 8. C. Froch 9. Y.Gamboa 10. Khan

but that wasnt his argument now was it? his argument was the last two and according to that justification, my point stands. and yes i cut his original post down to recent fights, but thats a huge part of what p4p is, what have u done lately. i mean if ur gonna come in the forums to debate p4p, then do it. u cant laugh at someone else's post and then defend ur own post with the justification that its subjective. that defeats the point. if ur not gonna debate p4p then dont come in the thread. his and ur argument are faulty. No that is not a huge part of P4P....Why would I even debate a poster like yourself who doesn't know what the huge part of P4P is. Until you find out what the huge part of P4P is then you can debate P4P list.

I agree with Jro and miron though. P4P rankings, and ATG for that matter, are a pretty absurd way to rate fighters. Mainly because there is absolutely no basis on how to rank a fighter across weight classes, let alone across generations.

Oh I get that. I know some people on this site who can type an essay on how Calzaghe is a Top 25 ATG. So I get thats it all opinion but I think when its over the top is when its like Serg has no case at all. I think thats crazy. Its not like people are saying Hops, Pong or Ward should be number 1. I think Serg has a legitmate case. But I get what youre saying it is all opinion based. Oh no doubt about that. But, people also need to realize that as much as Martincez have a case to being #1(I agree that he does) there is also a case that can be made that he could be as low as #3 or #4.

So who would you say was the best JMW? well there were 7 guys ranked above him but that doesn't mean they are necessarily better. he only beat 2 top 10 guys and santos was all the way back in 2005. he beat number 10 rated julio by close decision while guys like kirklandand angulo destroyed him. then he clearly lost to konecy. i'm not seeing royalty there. that division is stinky as hell and none of those guys there can transcend weight classes and move up and be successful. they should stay where they belong. dzinziruk was a tune up. no need to pretend it was a great win just because the guy was undefeated(not really) if pavlik fought dzinziruk he would be laughed at and lambasted to hell. he beat rubio(a proven top 10 middle) and he was labeled a tomato can basher.