Pacquiao victim of his own success

well the only reason Flomos want Pac to KO his opponents is so that they can keep telling the world Pac is on steroids coz he's knocking out bigger guys. No, you see..Pac was afraid of Mosley wanting him tested so he laid off the A-side for this bout just in case...it's obvious in how weak and unable to stop an old, antique, washed-up fighter like Shane who should have retired 3 years ago....wait......I meant....:footinmou

I was saying the same thing yesterday. It's like: "the dude sucks..one dimensional bum, Mayweather KO's him in 2 rds" Dominates Mosley, shuts him out and KD's him for only third time ever. It's almost as if he is expected to win every fight by knockout or it's a letdown. Yet, dude sucks, lol well the only reason Flomos want Pac to KO his opponents is so that they can keep telling the world Pac is on steroids coz he's knocking out bigger guys.

Yes he has set the bar too high, people expect too much of Pac like they think Pac should fly before they are impressed with his performance. And all the threads recently started by wannabee boxing experts telling us Pacs weakness and how to beat Pac. How annoying can you get. Im almost want to threaten them by making Pac threads saying how he is so damn great but you have to show some restraint. I was saying the same thing yesterday. It's like: "the dude sucks..one dimensional bum, Mayweather KO's him in 2 rds" Dominates Mosley, shuts him out and KD's him for only third time ever. It's almost as if he is expected to win every fight by knockout or it's a letdown. Yet, dude sucks, lol

Why the double standard? You were impressed by Floyd's win and not with Pac because Pac cannot KO the same guy Floyd cannot KO. Shane is not afraid to get it on with Floyd, but he keeps running from Pac, how can Pac KO him? If you are both a fan of both, maybe Floyd is your #1 and Pac is #1000. I think what he's getting at is Floyd was able to do what he does best against Shane: Counter punch and dictate what Shane is and isn't able to do in the ring. Pac is the best at pressuring his opponents and forcing them to a fire fight and win by KO or a stoppage. He wasn't able to do that against Shane. Not to say that what Pac did was not impressive, but it wasn't what he normally does. Goes to show that syles make fights.

shane couldnt drop floyd yet he drop pac oh come on now... That is a really desperate response.. unless it was meant sarcasm.

its not flomos who say pac struggled, its anybody with a brain. he didnt struggle to win, but he struggled (and failed) to performe. he won easily but he showed some huge flaws and thats what ppl are concerned about. at the end of the day fighting mosley at this stage of shanes career was nothing but a measuring stick to see how he would do against mayweather. and the fact that he still cant get of in combinations when someone uses lateral movement is a big worry. if he was to fight floyd who is a master of controling ppl by placing his feet intelligently its hard to see his offense be effective. mosley put himself in the right positions but was too old to pull the trigger, his reflexes were shot and so were his legs. and with those shot legs he still put his feet in a better position than pac. also let me add shane didnt win a few round against floyd, he won the second and possibly the first, and he did win one early round against pacquiao and didnt get shut out there either. its all meaningless but still. that stuff dont matter though, what matters is the flaws he exposed in floyd and pac respectively and imo pac showed more flaws. Good post but honestly, If Floyd used Manny's performance against shane as an indicator of Manny's flaws, I think it would be a mistake to underestimate Manny based on that fight... I don't think Manny was himself that night, No lateral movement on Manny's part just straight forward. It is nothing to do with how shane placed his feet neither because Manny was just moving forward. I do believe that the cramps affected his performance.. You can tell by the disgust on Manny's part that he wasn't at his best.. If he was satisfied then you know but he wasn't, he knew he wasn't right and he was disappointed.. Anyway for Floyd or anyone to use the shane fight as an estimation of Manny's vulnerability would be a grave mistake.

where are ya'll getting 66 from??shane landed 82 against manny

-Shane kisses the canvas only the 3rd time in his career and he gets on his bike. -Shane clocks Floyd and wins a few rounds throws more/lands more punches on Floyd than on Pacquiao 92/452 vs 66/330 -Meanwhile he gets shutout by Pacquiao (ignore the fake KD) and yet Flomos say Manny "struggled" against Shane. I dont get it? I guess Manny set the bar to high for himself:boxing: You're trying too hard. Shane proved against Floyd that Floyd can be hit cleanly. Talk about having high expectation! In a sport where 2 men stand there and swing at each other, its a big deal that Floyd actually got hit hard to where he was visibly hurt in over a decade of boxing. What Shane proved in the Pac fight is that Pac still has fundamental skill set issues. U don't have to be a Flomo or Pactard to understand that. Shane's corner tells u all u need to know in those respective fights. "I'm not gonna sit here and watch u take unneccesary punishment. Ur gonna make me do something I don't wanna do." That my friend, was Brother Nazim during the Floyd fight. No such words were uttered in Pac's demolishing of Shane. Check ur biases at the door.

I dont why we are wasting time mentioning Floyd. He will never step in the ring with Pac.

NO actually hes one of my favorite current fighters I just don't hugg his nuts and worship him i'm not a pactard. btw hes not P4P#1 & it was disappointing that he couldn't KO Mosley.... I was expecting a late round TKO Floyd doesn't set the bar low... my expectations of him are 1.completely outbox his opponent 2.win UD which he does most of the time .... Get a life you sergio fan. Pac won 12 rounds, are you dissapointed Pac didnt fly like superman? Dont think i havent noticed you dont take Pacs bad calf into consideration at all. Hes not p4p no1 because you expected him to ko SSM? So you werent impressed with all Pacs other performances? You are fooling no one, and no, Sergio isnt no1.

Struggle to perform? Dude KD a dude that had only been down twice in his whole career. He landed beautiful three punch combinations in the early rounds until Shane got on his bike after he tasted the power. Mayweather can lateral move all he wants and shoot his counter right. But when he shoots that right he is taking a big risk opening himself up which Mosley didnt want to do. Or he can do exactly what Shane did and lateral move clockwise all day and get shut out by Manny. Either way hes going to lose. mosley is way past his prime, anybody who cant see that probably cant recognize anything else boxing related either, dropping shane at this stage isnt a huge feat. maybe your memory is short but this guy fought to a draw against sergio mora in his last fight and slipped even further since then imo. as for floyd you are even more of the mark. by using lateral movement u can position yourself where you cant get hit before u open up to punch. thats what marquez did AT TIMES against pacquiao then he got overaggressive and took unnecessary risks. floyd wont. boxing is to hit and not get hit, thats what u use lateral movement for. just bcuz shane was too old to pull the trigger doesnt mean nobody can pull the trigger without getting caught. if they position themselfs correctly they can. imagine a southpaw jabbing, an orthodox fighter parries it with his left glove as he pivots to his left than fires a right cross down the pipe. pivoting at the right time will make him safe to throw that right hand, by stepping to his left hes moving outside the right hand of the southpaw making it useless and putting the southpaw out of position to throw the left cross at all. hense hes safe to land the right and exit to his left before he can get hit back. only if u stand right on front of your oponent will u take a risk everytime u open up, but by moving and picking your punches wisely u can hit without getting hit. floyd can outbox pacquiao (hit and not get hit) thats a fact, the question is if he can do it for 12 rounds. thats a big question though. pacquiao will be putting lots of pressure on him, since floyd isnt a 1 punch KO artist pac can take alot more chances that he did against mosley so it will be difficult to keep him of for 12 rounds. and we all know the speed and power of pacquiao so if floyd slows down or even makes a mistake he could be made to pay. then again floyd makes very few mistakes. it really is a toss up. like tarver said, "i like mayweather against anyone and i like pacquiao against anyone".

Pacquiao will never please everyone, there is a minority that will discredit him for everything he accomplishes. Pacquiao completely dominated Mosley, and it wasn't even a 'fight'. Mosley was scared to engage with this guy, I've never seen Mosley ever do that. Pacquiao is simply to good, whether you like him or not. He is a one in a lifetime fighter, he should be more appreciated.

you dudes on here are horrible its ither a hate thread for floyd or pacman neither give a f.uck about you clowns yet you spend your whole day slurping one or the other wow

Making Shane run is a feat in itself. It's hard to knock someone out that's COMPLETELY playing it defensively and hardly throwing any punches. +1 QFT Never in his career did Shane "I like a good scrap" run

its not flomos who say pac struggled, its anybody with a brain. he didnt struggle to win, but he struggled (and failed) to performe. he won easily but he showed some huge flaws and thats what ppl are concerned about. at the end of the day fighting mosley at this stage of shanes career was nothing but a measuring stick to see how he would do against mayweather. and the fact that he still cant get of in combinations when someone uses lateral movement is a big worry. if he was to fight floyd who is a master of controling ppl by placing his feet intelligently its hard to see his offense be effective. mosley put himself in the right positions but was too old to pull the trigger, his reflexes were shot and so were his legs. and with those shot legs he still put his feet in a better position than pac. also let me add shane didnt win a few round against floyd, he won the second and possibly the first, and he did win one early round against pacquiao and didnt get shut out there either. its all meaningless but still. that stuff dont matter though, what matters is the flaws he exposed in floyd and pac respectively and imo pac showed more flaws. Struggle to perform? Dude KD a dude that had only been down twice in his whole career. He landed beautiful three punch combinations in the early rounds until Shane got on his bike after he tasted the power. Mayweather can lateral move all he wants and shoot his counter right. But when he shoots that right he is taking a big risk opening himself up which Mosley didnt want to do. Or he can do exactly what Shane did and lateral move clockwise all day and get shut out by Manny. Either way hes going to lose.

I wouldn't say he struggled as much as Shane was able to land on him at times when Pac stopped attacking, and could've done a whole lot better with the openings Pac presented him. And there were openings for Shane to exploit however small they were. At some point in the fight you can hear Nazzim yelling at Shane to "keep turning him" to avoid Pac's left and Shane was somewhat successful with that except he just couldn't follow that up with his own strikes. Shane started off cautious and I thought it was a good strategy until the third round. Then it all went to shit for him from then on. Pac just did his job to entertain the fans. Shane was a no show.

Why the double standard? You were impressed by Floyd's win and not with Pac because Pac cannot KO the same guy Floyd cannot KO. Shane is not afraid to get it on with Floyd, but he keeps running from Pac, how can Pac KO him? If you are both a fan of both, maybe Floyd is your #1 and Pac is #1000. Floyd isn't a known for knocking guys out and shane did look more shot when he fought Pacquiao .. and no my favorite current boxers are 1.Juan Manuel Marquez 2.Sergio Martinez 3.Miguel Cotto 4.Manny Pacquiao 5.Floyd Mayweather

Making Shane run is a feat in itself. It's hard to knock someone out that's COMPLETELY playing it defensively and hardly throwing any punches.

"hurr if your not impressed by pac you must be a Flomo" I'm both a pacquiao and mayweather fan. I wasn't impressed because he signed the fight in the first place. If you're supposed to be the the number one P4P and you can't KO a man that hasn't won a fight in a couple years. is 40 and shot you're doing something wrong. Floyd didn't KD or KO shane either. But floyd isn't known for his knock downs or his finishes hes just a supreme boxer. Why the double standard? You were impressed by Floyd's win and not with Pac because Pac cannot KO the same guy Floyd cannot KO. Shane is not afraid to get it on with Floyd, but he keeps running from Pac, how can Pac KO him? If you are both a fan of both, maybe Floyd is your #1 and Pac is #1000.

yes you must be a pac hater and your doing a bad job of trying to hide that with this one post. Pac is number one p4p and he doesnt have to knock out a 40 year old. Where in the rule book does it say the p4p no1 has to knock out 40 years old who have never been knocked out? People set the bar low for Floyd, and dont expect him to knock out anyone. Pac although didnt knock out SSM, must also be a underated boxer as well, considering he won 12 rounds. NO actually hes one of my favorite current fighters I just don't hugg his nuts and worship him i'm not a pactard. btw hes not P4P#1 & it was disappointing that he couldn't KO Mosley.... I was expecting a late round TKO Floyd doesn't set the bar low... my expectations of him are 1.completely outbox his opponent 2.win UD which he does most of the time ....