Without a doubt Pacquiao is the current p4p king, but his spot at the top doesnt look that safe now after his lackluster performance against Mosley. He looked really bad in this fight, and maybe it was just an off day, but still he looked like his skill had a serious set back, he looked like he did five years ago, and please don't say it had anything to do with Mosley, because he didn't do a damn thing the whole fight.
Maybe this is a result of fighting guys that everyone knows he's going to beat, and that's not how he got to the top, he got there by being challenged hard...and while Pacquiao keeps being put against these guys, there's #2 p4p Sergio Martinez who is getting really close to being #1.
Pacquiao-Martinez probably will never happen, but Martinez will eventually pass Manny just by fighting the best guys in his division while Manny fights the guys that only bring their fame and big names to the ring.
thoughts??
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You know, Ring Magazine never dropped Manny to #2 after Floyd beat Mosley. I somehow don't think they'd let Sergio top him if he fights Chavez Jr. or Manfredo.
i knw but my point is this, pacquiao will lose his spot at the top if he keeps on fighting guys he's suppose to destroy but then he goes the distance wit them and doesnt look great in doing it....meanwhile martinez keeps on fighting the best guys available in his division, and even though they dnt have a chance wit him, martinez does wat he's supposed to do by looking spectacular and knockin them out .....
that's wat pacquiao lost, his "killer instinct", i'm not hatin on pacquiao, i like him n i agree that rite nw he's the p4p king, but if he keeps takin these old, "not in his level" opponents to the distance than he will lose that #1 p4p spot....
I agree mayweather is an excellent fighter mayb the most talented, but i consider him retired, so i wnt even metion him when talkin about p4p...
fighting bumms at catch weight and ducking proper fighters doesn't make u a p4p ...floyd is the best in the world but due to having some time off i give it to martinez..we've seen how much trouble pac had with old mosley..pac can't fight anyone who's not gonna stand there like a tree and take the punches.
You know, Ring Magazine never dropped Manny to #2 after Floyd beat Mosley. I somehow don't think they'd let Sergio top him if he fights Chavez Jr. or Manfredo.
Lol "hes beating them all"
Ok, he beat pavlik and williams....was Dzinziruk really even that good?
Pacs cleaning out the division and is struggling for opponents...unless he moves up another weight class....when he barely already makes the 147 (i mean he comes in at practically 148)
Martinez made dzinziruk look bad, and no pacquiao is not running out of opponents at ww he has guys like berto, ortiz, jones, he can easily go dwn to 140 n fight khan, bradley, judah, maidana, guerrero, and pretty much anyone at 135 would meet him at 140. I'm pretty sure pacquiao would beat them all but at least those fights would be more entertaining and competitive than his last 3.. but those fights probably won't happen cuz uncle bob is obsessed wit keepin his fights in-house....
Now tell me who can Martinez fight at 160 other than Sturm, he's probably gonna go back to 154 to get more fights but even there, who can he fight? Chaves Jr? Canelo? Kirkland? and do u honestly think any of them have a chance against Martinez??
Like who?? Martinez is fighting the best in his division and looking great in beating them...
Lol "hes beating them all"
Ok, he beat pavlik and williams....was Dzinziruk really even that good?
Pacs cleaning out the division and is struggling for opponents...unless he moves up another weight class....when he barely already makes the 147 (i mean he comes in at practically 148)
yea but did you forget that his las 3 fights before that were against the mw champion, and williams who was in some p4p lists at that time, a guy that no one wanted to fight. Sergie was a lmw champion and undefeated and no one was in a rush to fight him either...
He didn't look bad. Yes, he wasn't at his best, but that was due to Mosley's negative and spoiling tactics. I expected Mosley to go to war. Instead he fought in survival mode and was happy to reach the final bell and collect his pay check.
For me, only Martinez can surpass Pacquaio as p4p king, but he is at least 3-4 first class victories away from achieving it.
I will never put Mayweather above Pacquaio, unless he fights and beats him. His cowardice and running needs to stop.
Yea maybe it was an off nite for pacquiao, and he has given us great fights that he deserves the benefit of the doubt, but come on dude, mosley was there for the taking, and there was something off wit manny
Martinez doesn't have the opponents to do it. I mean what wins will propel him?
Manfredo, Chavez Jr, Kirkland? That's what fans don't realize.
Donaire is the only guy I could possible see doing it, but he has no interest in fighting Moreno, and only wants money fights against guys like Moliter and Vazquez (probably Arce now).
Besides, Manny looked like sh1t, but that still doesn't change the fact that he has been dominating and destroying opponents in the last 3 years.
ok but we shouldnt blame martinez for the lack of opponents at 160, we should b applauding the way he's dominating and getting them out of there unlike manny who couldnt stop clottey, margarito, mosley, when everyone knws he could have done it,,, pacquiao on the other hand does have quality opponents to chose from at 140 or 147 , mayb not a lot wit name recognition but guys that will put up a fight, and make pacquiao bring his best.
I like donaire, but i still dnt think he hasnt done enough yet to put him up there wit Martinez and Pacquiao.
He didn't look bad. Yes, he wasn't at his best, but that was due to Mosley's negative and spoiling tactics. I expected Mosley to go to war. Instead he fought in survival mode and was happy to reach the final bell and collect his pay check.
For me, only Martinez can surpass Pacquaio as p4p king, but he is at least 3-4 first class victories away from achieving it.
I will never put Mayweather above Pacquaio, unless he fights and beats him. His cowardice and running needs to stop.
Martinez doesn't have the opponents to do it. I mean what wins will propel him?
Manfredo, Chavez Jr, Kirkland? That's what fans don't realize.
Donaire is the only guy I could possible see doing it, but he has no interest in fighting Moreno, and only wants money fights against guys like Moliter and Vazquez (probably Arce now).
Besides, Manny looked like sh1t, but that still doesn't change the fact that he has been dominating and destroying opponents in the last 3 years.
if martinez fights someone decent then he will be #2
or donair movea around
Like who?? Martinez is fighting the best in his division and looking great in beating them...
If Sergio or anyone else wants to be no1 they are really going to have to be consistent and show the world, and grasp that mythical title away from Pac, because people know not only what Pac has achieved, but also because of what they think he is capable of.
Sergio has done well with his FOTY accolade, and now he is known to the world with his good year..
Now he has to do that year after year.