To me Martinez is clearly the best fighter in the game right now. He's proven himself and the so-called "best" guys want no part of him. He absolutely destroyed Dzinzuruk, who was undefeated and said to have a great jab. He looked great against Sergei who is not a fighter anybody should look good against. He slept Paul Williams in just 2 rounds. I think Martinez would easily KO Pacquiao and I would favor him against Mayweather.
i love martinez but even if martinez fought pacquiao and beat him...he shouldn't take the P4P title...
to over take manny while manny is still in his prime he will have to copy roy jones path...at least up to light heavyweight.
If Pac has to step up to 154 and loses, that wouldnt be such a great win, but only a very good win for Sergio. If he stepped down to Pacs weight 147 and beat Pac now that would be a fantastic win.
That would make Sergio p4p the best in the world. Because p4p means all being equal size etc who would win. Because we know if Pac was 5ft10 and 11stone 7 he would beat Sergio nice and easy.
If Sergio shrinked himself down to Pacs weight and beat him....respect is due. But as it is Sergio is not p4p the best fighter in the world im afraid to say.
Sergio will be soon if:
A) Pacman can't find a decent name to fight (I can only realistically think of floyd, anyone above 154 is still ridiculous to me).
B) Donaire doesn't fight Agbeko/Perez maybe even Marez.
Martinez is a roll but besides his last 2 fights, what was his biggest victory?
i love martinez but even if martinez fought pacquiao and beat him...he shouldn't take the P4P title...
to over take manny while manny is still in his prime he will have to copy roy jones path...at least up to light heavyweight.
I like Sergio, and his ability does impress me quite a bit. I would favor him to win over both Floyd and Manny as neither of them have fought a larger, quick, athletic opponent before in their career. The only issue that I have is that Sergio doesn't seem to be able to fight well on the inside, but he has good legs that for the moment prevent him from having to do so.
Also, while I was impressed with his ko victory against Dzinziruk, I realize that Sergei was inactive for nearly a year previously. Definitely, a good name for his resume though regardless, along with Pavlik and Williams. I know he wants to fight Chavez jr. but, while it'll be entertaining, it's not going to place him any higher on my p4p list. If he's looking for bigger fights to improve his resume he may want to take a peek at super middleweight where there's an abundance of talent.
U know what's so funny about when people talk about Martinez fighting at 168,they bring up the best fighters there.Then compair that to pacman hopping weight classes.But lets be real,who Pacman fought at 150 for the 154 title ws nowhere near the top.That would be like Martinez fighting Bika,or Codrington at 164 for a vacant title.But since it isn't Pacman,Martinez would be criticized heavily for that.
I like Sergio, and his ability does impress me quite a bit. I would favor him to win over both Floyd and Manny as neither of them have fought a larger, quick, athletic opponent before in their career. The only issue that I have is that Sergio doesn't seem to be able to fight well on the inside, but he has good legs that for the moment prevent him from having to do so.
Also, while I was impressed with his ko victory against Dzinziruk, I realize that Sergei was inactive for nearly a year previously. Definitely, a good name for his resume though regardless, along with Pavlik and Williams. I know he wants to fight Chavez jr. but, while it'll be entertaining, it's not going to place him any higher on my p4p list. If he's looking for bigger fights to improve his resume he may want to take a peek at super middleweight where there's an abundance of talent.
I swear...you one of the REALEST posters on here...personally, I still got Manny on top and Sergio 2nd....but you spot on about the fanbases and those dude holding the sport hostage....and anybody who follows the sport with a magnifying glass will see that B.Hop is the greatest of the active....taking nothing from Manny because he's a good ambassador for the sport...a very likeable dude imo but it is what it is
You are obviously taking the f*ckin p*ss. I can't even begin to think what you've possibly seen in recent years that I haven't to come to that conclusion. B-Hop isn't even a f*cking fighter, all he's done for a few years (and in him prime but he could also could box then) is hold and spoil. B-Hop isn't even an all time great!
Sergio is not the best fighter in the world, let alone the best p4p fighter!
Pac beat Margarito and Sergio lost to Margarito (i hear chants of Sergio would beat Margarito now ringing in my ears), so at least Sergio needs to do is beat Pac to even be considered on Pacs level.
That would make Sergio possibly a better fighter than Pac, but not p4p better still. Why isnt it clear?
To me Martinez is clearly the best fighter in the game right now. He's proven himself and the so-called "best" guys want no part of him. He absolutely destroyed Dzinzuruk, who was undefeated and said to have a great jab. He looked great against Sergei who is not a fighter anybody should look good against. He slept Paul Williams in just 2 rounds. I think Martinez would easily KO Pacquiao and I would favor him against Mayweather.
well ofcourse he would beat pac and floyd they are much smaller guys, that doesnt mean hes better p4p though. i mean both pac and floyd fought bigger guys but theres always been a but attached, usually fighting guys with the right style at the right point in their career. well sergio martinez has the wrong style for both of them and is at the peak of his career. neither floyd or pac gave up size to someone like that and they shouldnt. they have no buisness at 160, they would lose but not only bcuz martinez is great at that weight but they would be bad at that weight. so what does it prove for martinez if he beat them? very little no matter how great pac and floyd have been.
i do agree martinez is the #1 guy right now though. like i said pac and floyd are cherrypicking alot. fighting guys who have big names but nothing else to offer, martinez is fighting the most dangerous guys in their primes, and he doesnt care about their styles either.
what flaws does martinez have? he cant fight for 3min a round for 12 rounds. yet he fights a guy like williams and ends up shattering his world. what other flaws? bad fundamentals. maybe a great fundamental fighter whos also a southpaw and has a significant height and reach advantage can beat him, a guy whos in his prime and hungry. nope, martinez outclassed him all night.
this guy is impressing me. hes taking fights i think are bad for him and ends up dominating leaving me in awe of his performance. when floyd and pac fight its never the guy i wish they would fight (and not just eachother), its always some past prime tailor made guy u know doesnt stand a chance. only mainstream fans are impressed bcuz of the name, but they havent followed the sport enough to know what time it is. its a con job, martinez is the truth.
Granted I'm not all that impressed by either, to my eyes, Dzinziruk is clearly a much better boxer. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. Just that I see better qualities in Dzinziruk.
The bold, never seen that fight, I'll have to check that out.
kotelnik can fight going forwards or backwards, he's a good counter puncher, has good defense and throws nice combinations. he was able to keep the hard charging maidana at bay and he was able to track down alexander and land the much cleaner punches while getting robbed. 2 different styles and he showed he could handle both.
if dzinziruk can't land his jab he's finished. he's basically a breathing mannequin when it comes to head movement and anyone who turns him is gonna give him trouble. kotelnik just has more dimensions than him and is a much more versatile fighter.
To me Martinez is clearly the best fighter in the game right now. He's proven himself and the so-called "best" guys want no part of him. He absolutely destroyed Dzinzuruk, who was undefeated and said to have a great jab. He looked great against Sergei who is not a fighter anybody should look good against. He slept Paul Williams in just 2 rounds. I think Martinez would easily KO Pacquiao and I would favor him against Mayweather.
Wrong! It was Floyd!
i did look at them and kotelnik looks like the much better fighter to the eye and he also has the much better resume. all dzinziruk had was an undefeated resume and that's because he only fought a couple of live opponents not to mention he got a gift decision against konecy.
Granted I'm not all that impressed by either, to my eyes, Dzinziruk is clearly a much better boxer. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. Just that I see better qualities in Dzinziruk.
The bold, never seen that fight, I'll have to check that out.
Just look at the two man, I don't think highly of Dzinziruk but he's clearly a much better boxer than Kotelnik. Both could use some head movement though...
i did look at them and kotelnik looks like the much better fighter to the eye and he also has the much better resume. all dzinziruk had was an undefeated resume and that's because he only fought a couple of live opponents not to mention he got a gift decision against konecy.
Im not even a Pacquiao fan, but there ain't NO WAY, that B-Hop is infront of Pacquiao on the P4P list. This has to be the most REALEST dumbest post ever.
Will he possible be a bigger legend than Pacquiao, YES! Will he go down in history as being ranked better than Pacquiao, probably. But better....
Even if you count that hes fighting a young lion like Jean Pascal.
This is just wrong.
Pacquiao is still the Very Best P4P Fighter in the world!!!
Only id!ot Pac-haters say otherwise... A Green Sergio Martinez is not even close in terms of skills and accomplishment to Pacquiao. He can be when Manny retires but i highly doubt that because Donaire is also in the thick of things when it comes to P4P?!
do people still not understand dzinziruk was a tune up? what if pac fought kotelnik(much better than dzinziruk) at 147? who's gonna say that's a great win? dzinziruk was undefeated though so yeah epic!
Just look at the two man, I don't think highly of Dzinziruk but he's clearly a much better boxer than Kotelnik. Both could use some head movement though...
and hadn't been knocked down is his career ,or at least thats what he claimed.
Serigio knocked him down 5 times LOL not to mention that fight wasn't his fault it was HBOs BS
he also never fought at 160. he also never moved his head. dibella's list of opponents was so awful that hbo turned them all down. then hbo promised gary shaw they would give dzinziruk a fight for making bradley-alexander so they offered him to martinez and dibella jumped for joy at that easy fight. they paid dzinziruk 850k when they could have paid someone like pirog much less but they would rather pay someone a lot and not risk losing then pay someone a little and possibly lose. as long as they get their millions from hbo it's all good. same old boxing game.
Lol, thats STILL wrong!!! No Way, I understand trying to root for the Legend, people do it all the time, but it comes a time, that its just CRAZY.
I can give Benard Hopkins props for fighting Young fighters though.
All opinions man, people have different criterias.