just curious what you guys think. Just in case this Mayweather Ortiz thing is for real lets get some real perspective on just how good Ortiz is.
I think Margo would make him pull another no mas. Ortiz just gets hit too much and even if he boxed Margo's pressure would eventually wear him down.
Margarito walks over Ortiz and stops in the later rounds. You can make it at 147 or 154. Weight wont matter with these 2. Styles will and Margarito's pressure and punch output will be too much for Ortiz
MArgaritos Punch resistan aint the same, If Pac was backing him up and after that beating Ortiz KHO!!!!!
TBH, people need to stop looking at what Floyd and Manny do to fighters and think others can do the same.
IMO Manny hits harder than Mosley, and with his timing and accurancy, I really don't knock Margarito for that vicious loss as lesser fighters, such as Berto, Ortiz, Khan and others would have folded and gotten taken out by those combinations Manny was landing.
Now you may think I'm talking out my @ss but watch what Manny does to an iron chinned Mosley this Saturday. Manny is starting to sit on his punches and getting full leverage, so you will see him hurting people more and more. Martinez is another fighter who is doing the same, which is why he is KO'ing his opponents now vs him letting guys like Cintron etc make it to the bell just a few years ago.
How? Margo would smile at Ortiz after he landed his best punch and keep coming. It would be like fighting a bigger Maidana.
This is what I don't get either. This would be like Ortiz vs a Maidana that is 15lbs bigger, has a better chin and a ton more ring experience. I just don't see things going well for Ortiz and I actually see him folding as even this version of Margarito is clearly a better pressure fighter than Maidana and has heavier hands.
Also Margarito still is great at going to the body, as seen by him hurting and almost dropping Manny. Maidana is just a headhunter, so that body punching of Marg would make him even more dangerous than Marcos.
Margarito via 8-10 TKO stoppage.
Just like the earlier poster said, Margarito is a bigger Maidana with an iron chin, Ortiz can't handle a pressure fighter in Maidana, how can he handle Tony then??!!!
Ive been telling you all along the importance of weight , you just cant see the sport clearly unless you put weight under scrutiny , it means a great deal to the outcome of a fight ,,,, your problem is you see every thing on face value one guy flogging another , you dont ask why you just auto think its because yours is better , your Margo is long gone , todays Ortiz gives him a send off at 147 ,,, that was the question , 147 , forget your Manny clauses to change things to suit the way you want it be , it is what it is .
Just like the earlier poster said, Margarito is a bigger Maidana with an iron chin, Ortiz can't handle a pressure fighter in Maidana, how can he handle Tony then??!!!
because margo isn't the same margo as everyone makes him out to be. fans got faith in him, and idiotic diehard manny fans hype him up to be a legit threat so manny's win looks good. after margo was destroyed by mosley, he was done. took a year off, went to a decision with a no name, became a punching bag for manny, and is taking off more time. would this fight happen right now or after cotto II? either way, margo isn't as explosive or tough as he was before. dude can still take a punch, but he isn't going to pressure ortiz like he did to cotto. ortiz might have more power and sting to his punches than cotto did, add that to margo trying to make 147, and you have ortiz going to a clear decision. i believe all this because it's just the way it stacks up imo from everything that has happened. i and everyone will know for sure how much margs still got left when he fights cotto again later this year.
I could see MAYBE a decision going Ortiz's way but not a KO. Dude fought another 8 rds with a broken eyesocket. What do you think if they fought a jrmiddle?
I would not be surprised if Ortiz hits a bit harder than Pac , and Pac demanded 8oz gloves because they wanted him to bust Margo up , if they really wanted to try and KO him 10oz would have been better because they are more concussive as a opposed to cutting you up , you dont see UFC mitts clear KO near as many fighters like see boxers gets KOed ,,,,, At 154 maybe Margo could tough it out and be just too strong , at 147 Margo is dead meat .
I think Margaritto is all wrong for Victor. Imagine a bigger Maidana with a much much better chin. I can see Victor out boxing him for a handful of rounds but I think Margaritto will eventually get to him and force him into a war.
At 147 he would KO Margo ,,,,,, Margo is done and was not much at his peak just a big tough guy , now he is on a busted ass cant make the weight downward slide , Ortiz looks very strong and punches hard at this weight the move up done him good .
Just like the earlier poster said, Margarito is a bigger Maidana with an iron chin, Ortiz can't handle a pressure fighter in Maidana, how can he handle Tony then??!!!
people can say his mind wasn't in the fight due to the wraps they found before it. but i agree, ortiz has youth, skills, and power on his side. margo has a tough chin with his known pressuring, and hopes of landing a big shot (which we saw in his last he wasn't able to do). i don't see an old margs stopping someone like ortiz right now.
some seem to forget that shane was going threw his own problems at the time with is divorce and all
dude also got stopped by shane mosley
people can say his mind wasn't in the fight due to the wraps they found before it. but i agree, ortiz has youth, skills, and power on his side. margo has a tough chin with his known pressuring, and hopes of landing a big shot (which we saw in his last he wasn't able to do). i don't see an old margs stopping someone like ortiz right now.
Ortiz would get KTFO. Margarito doesn't clinch every 5 seconds and hits harder than Berto upstairs and to the body. And Ortiz doesn't hit hard enough to keep Margarito off him like Mosley or Pacquiao did.
I could see MAYBE a decision going Ortiz's way but not a KO. Dude fought another 8 rds with a broken eyesocket. What do you think if they fought a jrmiddle?
dude also got stopped by shane mosley
Pac never really backed him up. Margo just kept coming and take punishment to try and land that one game changing punch, just didn't happen. Margo's a tough SOB.
pacquiaos punches were stopping margarito and all margarito does is come forward thats what he does but manny's punches were stopping him.
maidana is actually considered as a power puncher margarito is not and maidana is probably a better overall fighter than margarito but he's a smaller fighter than margarito. the only advantage margarito has over almost all his opponents is that he's bigger than them and the 1 thing i give to margarito is that he is a pretty good body puncher.victor ortiz seems to have power in both hands and as easy as margarito is to hit i can see victor knocking him out
I could see MAYBE a decision going Ortiz's way but not a KO. Dude fought another 8 rds with a broken eyesocket. What do you think if they fought a jrmiddle?
well then, ortiz would rack up rounds in the beginning, bruise him up like manny, and win a clear decision. but we've never seen ortiz at 154, so we don't know exactly how it can play out. i think we will know what margs has left when his next fight comes around. is he still scheduled to fight cotto later this year?
At 147 he would KO Margo ,,,,,, Margo is done and was not much at his peak just a big tough guy , now he is on a busted ass cant make the weight downward slide , Ortiz looks very strong and punches hard at this weight the move up done him good .
I could see MAYBE a decision going Ortiz's way but not a KO. Dude fought another 8 rds with a broken eyesocket. What do you think if they fought a jrmiddle?
yeah, I get what your saying I just don't see it. Berto's power ain't that great, when Ortiz got hit with that one flush shot what did he do? Ran to the corner and started swinging wildly with his hands down. Same thing he did with Maidana. Only diffrence is Berto has a glass jaw, Maidana made him pay for that.
margarito isn't as young as maidana, he's slowed down a bit. margo has been away from the ring for a while, age is factor considering him going against a 24-year old champ. ortiz has skills, footwork, good power, and he showed what he is capable of when his back is against the wall. margo is still one tough dude, but i don't think he will cause as much trouble as maidana did to ortiz back when they fought. whether you believe in the 'new' mentality/heart ortiz has is up to you, but we're gonna find out as time goes on. older margo, hungier ortiz, 147, i don't see margo stopping him, maybe at 154 like i said earlier, but even then, i just don't see margo as major threat anymore. his best days are over with imo...but like in boxing, anything can happen.
just curious what you guys think. Just in case this Mayweather Ortiz thing is for real lets get some real perspective on just how good Ortiz is.
I think Margo would make him pull another no mas. Ortiz just gets hit too much and even if he boxed Margo's pressure would eventually wear him down.
if maidana gave ortiz all kinds of problems, margo would be a horrible fight for him