PAC & Shane now officially #1 & 3 Ring welters. Should the fight be for lineal title?

ah if Im not mistaken floyd was Lineal champ before he retired. Yeah he was and thats the only way you can consider him the Lineal Champ now. If you disregard his "retirement". This whole thing about Mosley being lineal champion when Floyd beat him is bollox

:bottle: Ok I get you lineal champ is vacant, who does pac have to fight to be champion lineal? but how is it Floyd got lineal for beating Mosley? After his comeback fight with Marquez? ah if Im not mistaken floyd was Lineal champ before he retired.

Yup. I don't even pay attention to either title. wish the sport would go back to two major titles, maybe 3. none of this ring, lineal iba, ibo, nabo non sense. too many champions man just follow nthe ring's one makes the sport seem alot better, honestly i don't disagree with any of their champs.also screw lineal titles under that system erdei not pascal is lhw champ

:bottle:Is it a one fight and done deal? Or is he actually campaigning at one of those weight-classes? If he's actually campaigning at a weight-class that's not 147. Then the lineal title would be vacant. Ok I get you lineal champ is vacant, who does pac have to fight to be champion lineal? but how is it Floyd got lineal for beating Mosley? After his comeback fight with Marquez?

Question? Say PAC beats Mosley just like Floyd did last year... What if Floyd campaigns at 154 or 140 upon his return say December. What happens to Floyds lineal title? Is it a one fight and done deal? Or is he actually campaigning at one of those weight-classes? If he's actually campaigning at a weight-class that's not 147. Then the lineal title would be vacant.

No the ring champ is not the lineal champ. There has been examples of that in the past and even now. Who doesn't officially retire? But, OK...Whatever bro if you don't consider him lineal is all good. Question? Say PAC beats Mosley just like Floyd did last year... What if Floyd campaigns at 154 or 140 upon his return say December. What happens to Floyds lineal title?

Name me a few, especially now. Especially now? LOL, Floyd is lineal champ at WW and has been since the Mosley fight. The ring had it vacant all this time. The Flyweight division has had a lineal champ since the 70's in Miguel Canto. The Ring didn't have a champ until last year. The ring had Vitaly Klitschko has their champ, in 2003 but he wasn't the lineal champ. The ring had Roy Jones>Tarver>Johnson>Tarver>Hopkins>Calzaghe as it's LHW champions. But, the lineage went to Dariuzs M>Gonzalez>Erdei. Ring and lineage are not the same. For the majority they could have the same champ. But, at times they could have a different champ. But, again bro, is whatever. If you don't want to count Floyd as a lineal champ then don't. He hasn't officially retired so I have him as a lineal champ.

It says the Ring title is vacant so if Pacquiao wants it he should fight the #2 WW which is Ortiz. Beating Mosley, who hasn't won a fight since January 2009, shouldn't give anybody anything. Now if Mosley beats Pacquiao, obviously he should be bumped up to #1 then fight Ortiz for the WW Ring title. Pacquiao will fight Mosley, then Marquez, then the winner of Cotto-Margarito II, Bradley and Judah are also in the mix. No Mayweather, no Ortiz, no Martinez.

No the ring champ is not the lineal champ. There has been examples of that in the past and even now. Who doesn't officially retire? But, OK...Whatever bro if you don't consider him lineal is all good. Name me a few, especially now.

So lets say he never "officially" retires, so hes the lineal champ Face it, lineal champ is hte Ring champ No the ring champ is not the lineal champ. There has been examples of that in the past and even now. Who doesn't officially retire? But, OK...Whatever bro if you don't consider him lineal is all good.

Floyd will lose that title just like how everybody else losses that title. You either lose it in the ring, officially campaign in another weight-class or you officially retire. Is this not known? I'm actually surprise that you would ask such a question. You're a very knowledgeable poster. I like you as a poster. So I expect you to know how any fighter, not just Floyd. But, any fighter losses a lineal title. So lets say he never "officially" retires, so hes the lineal champ Face it, lineal champ is hte Ring champ

When the recognized number 1 and 2 of that division fight, or Floyd loses. Scenario 1 Pac beats Mosley and Fights Ortiz whoever wins, lineal champ. Scenario 2 Floyd fights either Pac or Ortiz or any Welter and loses to them, whoever beats him will be lineal champ. Scenario 3 Floyd retires officially then see scenario 1

So explain to me how Floyd loses that title Floyd will lose that title just like how everybody else losses that title. You either lose it in the ring, officially campaign in another weight-class or you officially retire. Is this not known? I'm actually surprise that you would ask such a question. You're a very knowledgeable poster. I like you as a poster. So I expect you to know how any fighter, not just Floyd. But, any fighter losses a lineal title.

Yes he will be, just like Rocky Marciano is still the HW lineal champ even though he never fought again :dunce: So explain to me how Floyd loses that title

for the names this division has, it sort of sucks...those five undefeated fighters need to face the other ranked fighters on the list...not many big fights happening @ WW besides mosley/pacquiao. never look at the ring's rankings anymore though

It pretty much is So if Floyd never fights again, he will still be linea champ? Yes he will be, just like Rocky Marciano is still the HW lineal champ even though he never fought again :dunce:

No we need more belts- diamond, sapphire, cubic zirconia, anything to convolute the whole thing even more. Don Sulaiman and his black hand extortion ring is the greatest thing that ever happened to the sport :boxing: lol hahahahahahaha

For the record The Ring title does not equal lineal title. Sometimes is the same, sometimes is not. But, they're not the same. Floyd is still lineal champ, Ring title is vacant. It pretty much is So if Floyd never fights again, he will still be linea champ?

Yup. I don't even pay attention to either title. wish the sport would go back to two major titles, maybe 3. none of this ring, lineal iba, ibo, nabo non sense. too many champions No we need more belts- diamond, sapphire, cubic zirconia, anything to convolute the whole thing even more. Don Sulaiman and his black hand extortion ring is the greatest thing that ever happened to the sport :boxing:

For the record The Ring title does not equal lineal title. Sometimes is the same, sometimes is not. But, they're not the same. Floyd is still lineal champ, Ring title is vacant. Yup. I don't even pay attention to either title. wish the sport would go back to two major titles, maybe 3. none of this ring, lineal iba, ibo, nabo non sense. too many champions