I am getting sick and tired of all this PED accusations from the Flomos till this present day, even after Manny has already stated in many of his interviews that he is agreeing to do OSDT now to fight Floyd… It all started with a question by Floyd sr. of HOW can this one-dimensional-asian-midget dominate bigger, stronger opponents just like that, “it is not possible!” said Floyd sr., it has to be PEDS… But my questions now to all of you are WHERE and WHY??? Where did Manny got this SuperPEDS that is Super undetectable, if it’s the A-Side-Meth as what Roger said in his past interviews that you can only get in the jungles of the Philippines, then why are the Philippines not at the top of the Olympic Gold Medal Rankings in it’s entire history since joining the Olympics, why don’t they have super athletes in other fields of sports???!!!! Maybe Manny got the Superpeds in the land of the free, U.S. of A., it has to be, because since he got his feet landed in the soil of America, Manny’s career skyrocketed up and up… Now my question is, a known PED user like Mosley who made his first career move in the Lightweight division, with Peds should have gone and dominate the elite fighters back then in the Super-Middleweight and even Cruiserweight division, Mosley has the same height as Tyson, why not dominate the Light-Heavyweight/Heavyweight then with the right PEDS… Maybe this SuperPeds only came from Ariza, Ariza’s special shake, then why not give some to Manny’s brother Bobby to help him with his failed boxing career, wouldn’t it be nice to have two brothers at the pound for pound # 1 and 2 spot… And if this special shake where Ariza’s own formulation, then why hasn’t Ariza produced his army of super athletes long before he met and worked for Manny, Ariza has been a nutritionist for different athletes long before Manny landed his feet in America… Maybe just maybe, Manny is just a special athlete that has special genes and special athleticism that goes along with his genes, he was raw but gifted as a young fighter back then and then improved his skills some more when he got older… Look on to this article and tell me about it, I’ll be back later…
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/sports/02pacquiao.html?pagewanted=1
Does Ross Greenburg know why Pac turned down a 5050 split to fight Clottey(and get busted-up by 11 punches) for peanuts????
he doens't know. ross greenburg confirmed that the second negotiation happened and he doens't know why mayweather walked away from it. that's all he knows.
Why is it when fighters don't take the ficticious 2nd offer people scream duck??
ROSS GREENBURG DOESNT KNOW WHY MAYWEATHER TURNED DOWN THE PACQUIAO FIGHT
Thanks for proving my point. you have yourself a good night.
ignoring the points when manny said he has agreed to ost to see if that is really the reason mayweather is not fighting
when manny agreed, floyd refused to answer his phone and then demanded 100m
these are the facts
you have been ripped to shreds by me, if you have any self respect you will leave
floyd has a great chin floyd is the greatest defensive boxer floyd is the best counter puncher.. pac has no chance at all in winning... BAM OSDT... :lol1:
flomos ate it all up.. floyds ducking abilities and all.. OSDT is their last breath.. admit it flomos....
If Pac was interested he wouldn't have walked away from the OFFICIAL negotiation.
why is it when fighters dont take the first offer people scream duck??
negotiations don't end in one round. if floyd is really interested he would not have walked away from the second negotiation. what do you think he is, a woman with a past who has something to be ashamed of?
What the negotiation with the deadline lol , after Margo was promised the fight mths earlier , Margos own mouth ,,,, and all this while Floyd is being taken to court ,,,, piss off idiot Manny cant prepare for a fight while elections are on but Floyd is supposed to while trials are churning away in the background , its real world kiddo not the school yard punch up at lunch time .
Floyd was willing and able , he agreed to everything that everybody said he wouldnt , it was Manny who said NO TEST and walked out to fight inhouse Clottey , Floyd said if he cant get Plastic Man he would fight the version of Mosley that Plastic Man ducked blatantly , now Plastic Man fights Mosley and big notes he will out do Floyd ,, how cheap can Roach get .
Ducking the fight with Floyd to fight Clottey on the grounds he dont want a random PEDS test , come on thats why he is a suspected PEDS cheat , he passed up the biggest fight in history rather than take a PEDS test .
@ALG UNITED. pac fans in their natural inviroment, twisting facts. 1... pac refused, when floyd offered to pay marquez 1 million to step aside to fight pac, 2....floyd offered to step into the may 13th date when pac, cotto talks broke down, roach said they couldnt take it cuz he,d need a 6 month training camp to fight floyd, then to top it all off, the silly excuses from pac...scared of needles, superstitious,site of blood scares him,its against his religeon etc.......PACQUAIO DONT WANT NO PART OF FLOYD..PERIOD.
negotiations don't end in one round. if floyd is really interested he would not have walked away from the second negotiation. what do you think he is, a woman with a past who has something to be ashamed of?
I am getting sick and tired of all this PED accusations from the Flomos till this present day, even after Manny has already stated in many of his interviews that he is agreeing to do OSDT now to fight Floyd… It all started with a question by Floyd sr. of HOW can this one-dimensional-asian-midget dominate bigger, stronger opponents just like that, “it is not possible!” said Floyd sr., it has to be PEDS… But my questions now to all of you are WHERE and WHY??? Where did Manny got this SuperPEDS that is Super undetectable, if it’s the A-Side-Meth as what Roger said in his past interviews that you can only get in the jungles of the Philippines, then why are the Philippines not at the top of the Olympic Gold Medal Rankings in it’s entire history since joining the Olympics, why don’t they have super athletes in other fields of sports???!!!! Maybe Manny got the Superpeds in the land of the free, U.S. of A., it has to be, because since he got his feet landed in the soil of America, Manny’s career skyrocketed up and up… Now my question is, a known PED user like Mosley who made his first career move in the Lightweight division, with Peds should have gone and dominate the elite fighters back then in the Super-Middleweight and even Cruiserweight division, Mosley has the same height as Tyson, why not dominate the Light-Heavyweight/Heavyweight then with the right PEDS… Maybe this SuperPeds only came from Ariza, Ariza’s special shake, then why not give some to Manny’s brother Bobby to help him with his failed boxing career, wouldn’t it be nice to have two brothers at the pound for pound # 1 and 2 spot… And if this special shake where Ariza’s own formulation, then why hasn’t Ariza produced his army of super athletes long before he met and worked for Manny, Ariza has been a nutritionist for different athletes long before Manny landed his feet in America… Maybe just maybe, Manny is just a special athlete that has special genes and special athleticism that goes along with his genes, he was raw but gifted as a young fighter back then and then improved his skills some more when he got older… Look on to this article and tell me about it, I’ll be back later…
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk10/lexvdub1/Chris.jpg
There were no second negotiations.
That was just Arum pimping your dumbass while selling you a fight with an unlicensed KO'd Margarito.
HBO's Ross Greenburg: Mayweather-Pacquiao Negotiations Took Place
Don't let them get to you bro.. just enjoy Manny while he's still here. There will always be haters..
These haters and flomos thinks they can decide Pacs legacy and control like the mafia how much Pac will be revered, by being spiteful and antagonistic towards Pac, but it will back fire on them,
People will just say Pac is the GOAT in response. You will get further in life just by being fair and giving someone the respect they so obviously deserve.
I am getting sick and tired of all this PED accusations from the Flomos till this present day, even after Manny has already stated in many of his interviews that he is agreeing to do OSDT now to fight Floyd… It all started with a question by Floyd sr. of HOW can this one-dimensional-asian-midget dominate bigger, stronger opponents just like that, “it is not possible!” said Floyd sr., it has to be PEDS… But my questions now to all of you are WHERE and WHY??? Where did Manny got this SuperPEDS that is Super undetectable, if it’s the A-Side-Meth as what Roger said in his past interviews that you can only get in the jungles of the Philippines, then why are the Philippines not at the top of the Olympic Gold Medal Rankings in it’s entire history since joining the Olympics, why don’t they have super athletes in other fields of sports???!!!! Maybe Manny got the Superpeds in the land of the free, U.S. of A., it has to be, because since he got his feet landed in the soil of America, Manny’s career skyrocketed up and up… Now my question is, a known PED user like Mosley who made his first career move in the Lightweight division, with Peds should have gone and dominate the elite fighters back then in the Super-Middleweight and even Cruiserweight division, Mosley has the same height as Tyson, why not dominate the Light-Heavyweight/Heavyweight then with the right PEDS… Maybe this SuperPeds only came from Ariza, Ariza’s special shake, then why not give some to Manny’s brother Bobby to help him with his failed boxing career, wouldn’t it be nice to have two brothers at the pound for pound # 1 and 2 spot… And if this special shake where Ariza’s own formulation, then why hasn’t Ariza produced his army of super athletes long before he met and worked for Manny, Ariza has been a nutritionist for different athletes long before Manny landed his feet in America… Maybe just maybe, Manny is just a special athlete that has special genes and special athleticism that goes along with his genes, he was raw but gifted as a young fighter back then and then improved his skills some more when he got older… Look on to this article and tell me about it, I’ll be back later…
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/sports/02pacquiao.html?pagewanted=1
@ALG UNITED. pac fans in their natural inviroment, twisting facts. 1... pac refused, when floyd offered to pay marquez 1 million to step aside to fight pac, 2....floyd offered to step into the may 13th date when pac, cotto talks broke down, roach said they couldnt take it cuz he,d need a 6 month training camp to fight floyd, then to top it all off, the silly excuses from pac...scared of needles, superstitious,site of blood scares him,its against his religeon etc.......PACQUAIO DONT WANT NO PART OF FLOYD..PERIOD.
I am getting sick and tired of all this PED accusations from the Flomos till this present day, even after Manny has already stated in many of his interviews that he is agreeing to do OSDT now to fight Floyd… It all started with a question by Floyd sr. of HOW can this one-dimensional-asian-midget dominate bigger, stronger opponents just like that, “it is not possible!” said Floyd sr., it has to be PEDS… But my questions now to all of you are WHERE and WHY??? Where did Manny got this SuperPEDS that is Super undetectable, if it’s the A-Side-Meth as what Roger said in his past interviews that you can only get in the jungles of the Philippines, then why are the Philippines not at the top of the Olympic Gold Medal Rankings in it’s entire history since joining the Olympics, why don’t they have super athletes in other fields of sports???!!!! Maybe Manny got the Superpeds in the land of the free, U.S. of A., it has to be, because since he got his feet landed in the soil of America, Manny’s career skyrocketed up and up… Now my question is, a known PED user like Mosley who made his first career move in the Lightweight division, with Peds should have gone and dominate the elite fighters back then in the Super-Middleweight and even Cruiserweight division, Mosley has the same height as Tyson, why not dominate the Light-Heavyweight/Heavyweight then with the right PEDS… Maybe this SuperPeds only came from Ariza, Ariza’s special shake, then why not give some to Manny’s brother Bobby to help him with his failed boxing career, wouldn’t it be nice to have two brothers at the pound for pound # 1 and 2 spot… And if this special shake where Ariza’s own formulation, then why hasn’t Ariza produced his army of super athletes long before he met and worked for Manny, Ariza has been a nutritionist for different athletes long before Manny landed his feet in America… Maybe just maybe, Manny is just a special athlete that has special genes and special athleticism that goes along with his genes, he was raw but gifted as a young fighter back then and then improved his skills some more when he got older… Look on to this article and tell me about it, I’ll be back later…
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/sports/02pacquiao.html?pagewanted=1 Starting around 226 of the video.. Roach admits that they refuse to test, sorry dude,
Bull ****!! Floyd denied that there's any negotiations! So what the f his doing now?? Vacation?? Beating ex GF & SEcurity guard?? Did he ask for Blood test for the Guard & his ex?? Just Fight Pac!! Tell that to the biatch!!
:firedevil "peeleft: :headbang: :boxing:
Nothing?
How 'bout a refresher...
Heres a timeline:
December 11:
Freddie Roach: I have no problem with the testing whatsoever. They can do whatever (Keyword: Whatever) kind of drug testing that they want.
December 14:
Alex Ariza: I am the one in charge, I am the one responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes.
December 22:
Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight.
Richard Schaefer: Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.
In that same day,
Freddie Roach: A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. is not detected by blood or urine.”
How is HGH test done?
More than one blood sample must be taken on different days, due to rapid changing levels of growth hormone. A test measuring IGF-1 levels may be taken in conjunction, as its levels change much slower. Before blood is drawn, the administering health professional should be informed of any disorders or medication being taken which can lead to bleeding at the site of the puncture.
December 23:
Bob Arum: Manny says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn't want to do it when he's in training, but he'll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight. Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing.
Freddie Roach: For the record, Pacquiao (Remember, he said Pacquiao) is willing to have his blood drawn before he starts training and after the fight to be tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It’s not like Pacquiao is saying no to drugs.
December 24:
Arum: This kid has a phobia for getting his blood drawn.
December 25:
Manny Pacquiao plans to sue Floyd Mayweather, the American's father and Golden Boy Promotions in the next few days following a row over doping procedures, the Filipino world champion said in a statement on Friday.
NYDailyNews. Tim Smith,
This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.
December 26:
Manny Pacquiao: I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room. I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight.
December 28
Manny Pacquiao: I do not have anything to prove (to them) and hopefully, they would not succeed in destroying my image and the sport of boxing in the way they want it done. They want to dictate and step on the authority of the organizations including the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I am not guilty and I don’t have to prove anything because I have passed all tests in all my previous fights. I will all just see you in court.
December 30:
Alex Ariza: He’s willing to give the blood tests – just not two or three days before, for understable reasons.
David Tyler interviews Freddie Roach.
Freddie Roach: HGH cannot be detected by blood, saliva, or urine. The doctors I've talked to said that HGH and any growth harmone cannot be detected by any test.
David Tyler: Fred, I have a graduate's degree in Biochemistry and 30 years experience in developing blood chemistry tests.....I'll leave it alone, let's move foward.
Freddie Roach: No wait, you can't tell me that there is a test that can detect HGH or growth harmones.
David Tyler: Fred, I'm not here to make you mad.
Freddie Roach: I'm not mad, I'm telling you that you are wrong if you think there is a test for HGH.
David Tyler: Ok Fred, so you are saying that HGH cannot be detected by a blood test?
Freddie Roach: Absolutely, 100%, NO! Saliva, blood, or urine.
Enjoy
Bull ****!! Floyd denied that there's any negotiations! So what the f his doing now?? Vacation?? Beating ex GF & SEcurity guard?? Did he ask for Blood test for the Guard & his ex?? Just Fight Pac!! Tell that to the biatch!!
Why? Because talk is cheap.
What you must ask is:
How were Floyd and Mosley able to quickly settle the Olympic style drug testing issue, sign the contracts, both pass the test with flying colors AND make the fight happen????
There were no one hundred excuses from either camp. They both just agreed to take the test, confirmed it in writing, and fought.
No lawsuits, no crying (except for Pacfans), and no post-fight drama (except for Pacfans).
What Manny will NOT say is:
"I'll take the stupid test, prove I'm cleaner than you, and knock you the hell out of the ring!"
Why won't he say that you ask? Because he knows he can't and he won't.
Fight could've been made long ago if not for the myriad of excuses from Team Pacquiao which makes Manny appear all the more suspicious.
and this is the example of contradiction.
how can u negotiate with someone that on vacation?
guess im playing with a broken disc here aight im off for night
Thanks for proving my point. you have yourself a good night.
Just ignore them Fkin Flomos!! They got nothing!!! We're backing the Greatest fighter of this era!! While Flomos will keep on defending their Ugly ******, coward & Chicken biatch Floyd!!
Nothing?
How 'bout a refresher...
Heres a timeline:
December 11:
Freddie Roach: I have no problem with the testing whatsoever. They can do whatever (Keyword: Whatever) kind of drug testing that they want.
December 14:
Alex Ariza: I am the one in charge, I am the one responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes.
December 22:
Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight.
Richard Schaefer: Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.
In that same day,
Freddie Roach: A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. is not detected by blood or urine.”
How is HGH test done?
More than one blood sample must be taken on different days, due to rapid changing levels of growth hormone. A test measuring IGF-1 levels may be taken in conjunction, as its levels change much slower. Before blood is drawn, the administering health professional should be informed of any disorders or medication being taken which can lead to bleeding at the site of the puncture.
December 23:
Bob Arum: Manny says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn't want to do it when he's in training, but he'll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight. Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing.
Freddie Roach: For the record, Pacquiao (Remember, he said Pacquiao) is willing to have his blood drawn before he starts training and after the fight to be tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It’s not like Pacquiao is saying no to drugs.
December 24:
Arum: This kid has a phobia for getting his blood drawn.
December 25:
Manny Pacquiao plans to sue Floyd Mayweather, the American's father and Golden Boy Promotions in the next few days following a row over doping procedures, the Filipino world champion said in a statement on Friday.
NYDailyNews. Tim Smith,
This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.
December 26:
Manny Pacquiao: I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room. I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight.
December 28
Manny Pacquiao: I do not have anything to prove (to them) and hopefully, they would not succeed in destroying my image and the sport of boxing in the way they want it done. They want to dictate and step on the authority of the organizations including the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I am not guilty and I don’t have to prove anything because I have passed all tests in all my previous fights. I will all just see you in court.
December 30:
Alex Ariza: He’s willing to give the blood tests – just not two or three days before, for understable reasons.
David Tyler interviews Freddie Roach.
Freddie Roach: HGH cannot be detected by blood, saliva, or urine. The doctors I've talked to said that HGH and any growth harmone cannot be detected by any test.
David Tyler: Fred, I have a graduate's degree in Biochemistry and 30 years experience in developing blood chemistry tests.....I'll leave it alone, let's move foward.
Freddie Roach: No wait, you can't tell me that there is a test that can detect HGH or growth harmones.
David Tyler: Fred, I'm not here to make you mad.
Freddie Roach: I'm not mad, I'm telling you that you are wrong if you think there is a test for HGH.
David Tyler: Ok Fred, so you are saying that HGH cannot be detected by a blood test?
Freddie Roach: Absolutely, 100%, NO! Saliva, blood, or urine.
Enjoy
Why? Because talk is cheap.
What you must ask is:
How were Floyd and Mosley able to quickly settle the Olympic style drug testing issue, sign the contracts, both pass the test with flying colors AND make the fight happen????
There were no one hundred excuses from either camp. They both just agreed to take the test, confirmed it in writing, and fought.
No lawsuits, no crying (except for Pacfans), and no post-fight drama (except for Pacfans).
What Manny will NOT say is:
"I'll take the stupid test, prove I'm cleaner than you, and knock you the hell out of the ring!"
Why won't he say that you ask? Because he knows he can't and he won't.
Fight could've been made long ago if not for the myriad of excuses from Team Pacquiao which makes Manny appear all the more suspicious.