The last time I seen Manny signing a fight with an opponent that was a real threat was Marquez. Everyone has an opinion and that is mines. I believe that Mannys last real test was against Marquez....your thoughts about Mannys last fight that was a real threat?
unknown unproven boxers against Pac? no one would pay to see it, those guys have no chance at all. in papers they look good but when they face real opponent you would probably call them bums once Pac destroy them. atleast Cotto, Clottey, Margarito and Mosley are not bums..and proven!
I guess you missed the sarcasm in my response.
I actually agree with you, because people act like Manny should be fighting some those guys instead of Shane and Margarito.
What another weight drain excuse. Why did Oscar made Hopkins to fight him at 158 and Hopkins came at 156 and made Oscar dive.
Did it ever occur to you that Pacquiao is just on another level.
what the hell. weight is key in fighting. Manny drains the hell out Oscar and Oscar comes into the fight lookin like a toothpick with zero energy left. He just took the fight for the payday. Like i said before lets see Manny drop down to 135 and fight JMM. He would NEVER do that cause that would be a disadvantage for him to cut all that weight while JMM is at 100%. Arum already said if they fight again JMM has to come up to 147. Joke.
Zaveck and Senchecko FTW!!!!!!!
unknown unproven boxers against Pac? no one would pay to see it, those guys have no chance at all. in papers they look good but when they face real opponent you would probably call them bums once Pac destroy them. atleast Cotto, Clottey, Margarito and Mosley are not bums..and proven!
so u would rather see Pac fights unranked young undefeated instead of those PROVEN boxers with few loses and rank in the division? does it even make sense? usually younger undefeated boxers in welterweight are garbage and not worth fighting, but u would rather see it?
anyway Pac is trying to clean up the welterweight now but he gets criticize for it..but when Pac was jumping division after division haters criticize him for not staying and not defending his title..Pac cant please the haters.
Zaveck and Senchecko FTW!!!!!!!
I think the Cotto fight was his last real threat. The Clottey fight was overhyped just another guy bigger then him as was the Margs fight. And now we have the Mosley fight, I don't even need to get into that one cause we already know what it is.
Margs fight was harder then the cotto fight.
Then I beg to differ sir, Cotto was the last real threat he faced. And, the way Pac won was damn near impressive.
LOL @ Cotto being shot.
Well, u can call it what you want, but I didn't see it that way b4 or after the fight. I thought it was a mismatch from the moment they started talking about it and a way to duck Mosley. Guess it just depends what you thought of how Cotto looked after Margarito. I didnt think much of how he looked and still don't. Also, I guess Roach is a hater too, cuz he said the same thing.
Didn't say shot I said "virtually ruined by Margarito" and that is exactly how he looked in the Jennings, Clottey and Pac fights. He has never been the same since Margarito.
I think it quite obvious that the last real fight Manny was in was with Marquez. Why you ask? Because Marquez is a counter technician will real skills, not some hand fed opponent who is a little bigger.
These other so called threats have had nothing on Manny but size. They've ranged from shot, flat footed, weight drained, slow moving brawlers to guys that didn't even show up due to diarrhea! And even if they did show up, it would still be a mismatch.
What you have here is a guy getting A+ grades on second grade opponents. you have to give it to the old bastard, he sure knows how to pull the wool over the sheep's eyes with his match making.
I think Bradley would beat Khan. But, Khan is a damn good boxer. I like Khan, so who knows what can happen there.
But, I agree it would be nice if Pac fought a young undefeated fighter. And, plus it would be something new. I'm tired of recycled fighters always getting an opportunity cuz' of their name and what they did years ago. It should be what have you done lately not years ago.
I agree with everything you said.
so u would rather see Pac fights unranked young undefeated instead of those PROVEN boxers with few loses and rank in the division? does it even make sense? usually younger undefeated boxers in welterweight are garbage and not worth fighting, but u would rather see it?
anyway Pac is trying to clean up the welterweight now but he gets criticize for it..but when Pac was jumping division after division haters criticize him for not staying and not defending his title..Pac cant please the haters.
Although Cotto wasn't the same fighter and I knew Pacqiuao was gong to destory him, it was still a legit fight and a legit threat, no doubt about that.
After his last 2 and almost 3 fights since then have not been legit threats.
Cotto was a real threat. its just happened that Pac dominated him. JMM fight was very close. all fighters have had very close fights in their career. nothing new. if JMM was so good he should have domanited Pac who was a one dimensional fighter with just power and handspeed..but he didnt. because Pac was destined to be greater, greater than anyone in this era. so Cotto was the real threat.! its just Pac is so damn good.
If Marg has anything left in his tank he should beat Cotto. Just bad style match up for Cotto. Mayorga is washed up shot to ****, do you agree? Cuz' he made Cotto feel uncomfortable in the ring. Just bad match up for Cotto stylistically.
But, Morales is washed up as well and gave Maidana hell. The point is that you can give a tough fight doesn't mean you not washed up. You have to look at the opponent and style it is against.
But, if you think Margarito was a real threat to Pac. Then so be it, is whatever.
I don't think anybody is a threat to Manny other than Floyd and Martinez.
Same with Floyd. Nobody is seeing him except Manny and Martinez.
That doesn't mean those guys other fighters (Shane and Margarito) are pushovers at WW and are garbage like you are trying to claim.
1. No I blame Shane for that.
2. Irrelevant, you can't be called a top fighter with just one win in 3 years. Why make excuses as to why he has one win in 3 years? He's not a top WW until proven other wise. If it makes you feel better. We can say he has had 2 wins in 4 years. Yes that's still not a top WW. Floyd is inactive as **** and that mofo has 4 wins in 4 years.
Your saying that, but I doubt you could name 3 WW's, not named Manny and Floyd, that are better than Shane.
Now I'm not saying Shane is prime, and obviously his best years have past him. But to act like any WW can beat him or Margarito is foolish. Just because Manny and Floyd are able to do it, does not mean others are as well.
FWIW Floyd only has two wins (one was against Marquez at a supposed catchweight) at WW in the past 3 years to Shane's one. So I guess Floyd isn't a top WW?
Dude, ease up. I don't always agree with him but jro is a knowledgeable poster and pretty consistent. He has been a little more irritable lately but its more because of Pac fans acting like flomos these days. If you think his opinions are garbage, don't read/respond. Simple really
It's funny that someone else noticed this as well. I've lurked here longer than I've been a member and have noticed the changes in some posters. Been watching long enough to see solid and knowledgeable posters start to or completely lose their mind. Watched the same solid posters turn into trolls at times when certain topics come up.
I don't think it's as easy as just not responding tho. Solid and knowledgeable posters can be wrong too. And they can be called out just like anyone else.
who did cotto/mosley/margarito/clottey lost to except among themselves?
all of them were threats, it's just on different levels. cotto has more skills, fast, that's his threat. clottey has decent skills and IS BIGGER, stronger, that's his threat. i might not have been fully in favor of the marg fight but marg, though a plodder, is relentless, stronger and was 17lbs bigger, that was his threat.
would any other active WW aside from berto be favored to beat any of them? NO. would any jr ww? would any LW? NO.
Pac is just that good he makes some fighters look inferior.
I'd say Hoya was a big risk in the casual fan's eye but I'm sure they measured that too. So it's really Marquez. Morales was never a great boxer but he beat Manny too so I guess they tend to keep him away from prime boxers.
I'm also sure Mosley will be said to be a "slick african American" by the Pactards once Manny beats him badly despite noone giving him an snowball's chance in hell beating Pacquiao.
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The last time I seen Manny signing a fight with an opponent that was a real threat was Marquez. Everyone has an opinion and that is mines. I believe that Mannys last real test was against Marquez....your thoughts about Mannys last fight that was a real threat?
I'd say Hoya was a big risk in the casual fan's eye but I'm sure they measured that too. So it's really Marquez. Morales was never a great boxer but he beat Manny too so I guess they tend to keep him away from prime boxers.
I'm also sure Mosley will be said to be a "slick african American" by the Pactards once Manny beats him badly despite noone giving him an snowball's chance in hell beating Pacquiao.