Steve Kim " Anytime An Al Haymon Fighter Loses, It's Good for Business" (Video)

I wouldn't say always, 90% of the time, yes. But not always. steve Kim gives gb all kindsa props for their local socal series, like fight night at the Nokia. Steve Kim is a very solid boxing journalist and insider.

if Williams loses, Milton leaves, so yes it's good :joker:

lol, i hate breaking up posts the way u do. sorry lol it's my way of breaking down points in a thread but im in no way saying arreola should have gotten to the title so easily. but with that said, to me, theres nothing thats so amazing about it. heavyweight was/is very weak. and other promoters have done similar things at much stronger weight classes. thats my point. but you bring up an excellent point Haymon is not a promoter. i dunno what ppl had against jermaine taylor, i wasnt a fan of his/ i was a winky fan but with that said, he was a legit champion. the hopkins fights were close, i gave them to hopkins but taylor did enough to prove himself. i guess i would need to to explain to me what was wrong with him. was his path to the title too easy u think? well I like Taylor I think he fought his heart out each and every time but I do think he was matched soft with the likes of career 154lbers Ouma and Spinks and brought up very carefully but more to the point at hand. While we see guys like say Brandon Rios not get on HBO until he is matched with a guy who could very well beat him in Peterson a guy like Taylor gets to make his HBO debut against Alex Bunema. the ramos thing, again i dunno what to say about it. maybe he would be better served on BAD. but is it really that bad? i dont think so. point blank he shouldn't be on HBO right now he hasn't done anything to get on the network. Is the kid skilled? yes but so are a lot of fighters. like I said what did you see in the Valdez fight that made you think that he did enough to graduate to HBO status? also if you live in the area are you buying a ticket to go see Ramos? and yes i stick up for broner somewhat. thought he lost the fight but he lost it because his actions and nothing de leon did. i just try to balance out the hate directed at him on here im proly one of the few ppl who woldnt mind seeing the kid again. but you just described why guys like Broner should not be on HBO. You said you thought he lost because of his actions. Well if that were the case, if you were a non fan of Broner would you want to see him again on HBO? knowing full well there are others probably more worthy of that TV slot? we'll see what happens with litazu, its not a bad fight at all imo and litzau does deserve the fight, so in a way, u can look at it as more of a showcase for him if it makes more sense that way, rite? well not to crap all over Litzau because he fought a gutsy fight but I am not sold that he needs to be on HBO again either. Just MO. and u totally could say that about the berto/Williams comparison but with that said it enforces my point that that happening was just as much due to hbo as it was haymon. but again while PWill is an all action guy who up until recently fought anyone the pattern of Haymon fighters seems to be fight just enough on TV keep your zero- fight on HBO stay on HBO until you are considered done even if you have a couple of losses Berto Broner Ramos Arreola all follow that pattern I mean did we really need to see Brian Minto, Michael Trabant, and the guy Ramos is fighting on HBO the mecca of big fights?

Ortiz #5 P4P....these guys are getting carried away....they act like Berto was some kind of great fighter with a serious resume under his belt. Berto was overhyped and Ortiz had low expectations. Pacquiao, Mayweather, Mosley, Bradley, Khan, Cotto, Margarito, Williams, Cintron, Maidana---all of them take Ortiz out---maybe even Clottey too. Ortiz still has a lot of learning to do.

Eaner0919 throwing a lot of real talk around in this thread. You guys need to remind yourselves that HBO is the top level of boxing. Every spot on every televised card is a big deal. Guys that haven't proved themselves, guys who are fighting nobodies, and guys who are boring do not belong on HBO. Their asses belong in ESPN and Sho-box, and once they've proven they have the goods, they deserve the airtime and payday of an HBO date. I don't hate Al Haymon, but it seems like he has HBO by the balls. Haymon is a powerful figure, and if they cut ties with him, I'm sure they're afraid of the effects it could have on their african-american demographic. Remember, HBO is desperately trying to hold on to (and even rebuild) it's black fanbase in America. Because of this, Haymon gets airtime for guys that haven't done **** and huge purses for his fighters against opposition that doesn't warrant any sort of big payday. The situation is bad for boxing, plain and simple.

Fanboys are better than retards with aggressively obnoxious pictures. Your retarded pictures alone prove what a friendless loser you must be. Seriously take em down, it makes you look like a dip$hit. By the way, nobody know who you are...which means nobody likes you...which means nobody takes your post seriously on any level...which means you are wasting your time here. Go post on a forum that cares about your dislike of two hot chicks getting down in a kitchen with cupcakes on a counter...h8er.

Fanboys are better than retards with aggressively obnoxious pictures. Your retarded pictures alone prove what a friendless loser you must be. Seriously take em down, it makes you look like a dip$hit. Shut up. Stop hatin. Stop snitchin. Oh yeah...in the meantime...get a life.

Another article by this Magno dude Welcome to Magno’s Monday Rant, the nasty, floating turd in the mainstream boxing media’s punchbowl. There are two sure things in the world of big-time boxing reporting– Daily mustard stains on Dan Rafael’s Triple XL blazer and the perpetual tin can rattling of the Pacquiao Press Corps. In case you’re blind, deaf, or have a low IQ blocker installed on your internet browser, The Pacquiao Press Corps refers to that group of enterprising carpetbaggers who have turned brain-draining, click-hungry pro-Pacquiao pap into a cottage industry on the outskirts of the boxing media. Straddling the line between legitimate fandom and strategic marketing, The Pacquiao Press Corps has turned the sport upside down, even creeping its way into the mainstream media. Where once upon a time writers had to be paid by sites and magazines based on their respective skills, abilities, and drawing power, places like Examiner.com have taken out the middle-man in the internet writing biz and pay writers directly from reader clicks. This is neither good nor bad, but as fate would have it, the Manny Pacquiao phenomenon popped up just as Examiner.com’s experiment with untrained reporting from “citizen journalists” was getting off the ground. The idea of “citizen journalism” sounds interesting and promising, at least in terms of exploring ideas otherwise unexplored by conventional media. Unfortunately, there’s usually not much of interest going on at the Examiner, other than the not-so-occasional rash of typos and factual errors that make the reading process a laugh riot. But let’s get back to boxing. Examiner.com stumbled upon a huge money-making endeavor when they first allowed boxing coverage on their site. And this is where The Pacquiao Press Corps was born. Led by Michael Marley, who has made a career of milking bandwagons without regard to pesky details such as truth, it was soon discovered that Pacquiao, with his 90 million rabid Filipino followers and worldwide fanbase, could generate obscene numbers of clicks. And clicks equal money…for the writer, the website, and for Pacquiao’s promotional company, Top Rank, which has benefited greatly from the constant stream of Pacquiao-friendly press. Behind Marley, a crew of attention-starved opportunists formed, eager to get a piece of the action and willing to be conveniently “flexible” with their subject matter and editorial decisions. Guys like Dennis Guillermo, Scott Heritage, Brad Cooney, and Rick Rockwell regularly aid the mindless Pacquiao promotion in the name of penny clicks. A casual perusal of current Examiner.com boxing columns will get you articles such as “Preview of Pacquiao’s new Nike Air Trainer 1.3 shoe and release date,” “U.S fans heckle Floyd Mayweather, demand he faces Manny Pacquiao,” and “Does God want Manny Pacquiao to win?” Hardly cutting edge stuff and almost laughably innocuous if not for the fact that this crap has taken on a life of its own with much wider-than-appropriate exposure on the ‘net, due in part to a cozy relationship between Examiner.com and Google. Joining forces with a fawning Filipino foreign press and a few cash and publicity-starved figures-for-sale, like Elie Seckbach, the video-making dunce who smiles while defiling the concept of ethics with “convenient” edits in favor of certain fighters and promotional companies, The Pacquiao Press Corps has become a legit force to reckon with. So loud has been the buzz of rampant stupidity and Pacqiao-friendly “news” that even some of the mainstream boxing media has picked up on the con, with major sites like Boxingscene often resorting to the same shady reporting in an attempt to tap into the wild surge of traffic brought on by pieces that stroke the right egos and enforce the right prejudices. Never in the history of the sport has a group of media members so conspired to run interference for one particular fighter. Perceived enemies of Pacquiao get taken down and marginalized. Media members unfriendly to “the cause” get boycotted and silenced.To the Pacquiao Press Corps, the ultimate goal is to protect their meal ticket at all costs. As the publicity begins to kick up for Pacquiao-Mosley, the movement will become feverishly focused as the Corps scrambles in a feeding frenzy, like rats in a Manhattan KFC. Expect the usual craziness and willingness to pander to Top Rank as the event approaches and the coins start to rattle. It’s not about telling a story or reporting the truth or even marginally obeying some vague code of journalistic conduct. To the Pacquiao Press Corp, it’s about making money and endearing themselves to a target audience so they can make even more down the line. Really, when you think about it, these guys are more like publicists than actual journalists. It’s just too bad that their mad dash for loose change gets in the way of real reporting and actually informed opinions. DISCLAIMER: Because I don’t want my in box packed with enraged readers who think I’m talking about them…ALL Pacquiao fans aren’t knuckle-dragging dopes…It’s not Pacquiao’s fault that he has these dopes and professional groupies following him….and ALL writers who work on a pay per click basis aren’t guilty of pandering…People with agendas who aspire to bring down the Independent Voice of The Boxing Tribune try to bog things down in semantics…I just want to be clear that I’m talking about a very specific group of people… http://theboxingtribune.com/2011/04/the-pacquiao-press-corps-wants-your-loose-change-magnos-monday-rant/ This is very obvious to me. But, some may need to see it in writing.

what should it matter who is the promoter of record as long as the match ups were made and were against decent opposition which seemed to be the two requirement he listed or was I incorrect about what he stated? decent is relative to me. U used examples of in house carefully crafted matchups that one company uses to justify the hate that a manager and his clients get. I think its weak becuz the same careers and management attempt to fight the real big name/"elite" fighters from that same company to no avail. So when they also seek the best return on their investment ala weak op for big money, they get shyted on. While the cotto's and pacq's and pavliks and non-haymon fighters of the world are carefully managed to fight safety fights for big money with critical acclaim.

After round 4 of Berto-Ortiz he had Khan up 40-34. LMAO!!!...that actually made me chuckle a bit

I would love to see you score an Amir khan fight objectively you d1ck riding fanboy. After round 4 of Berto-Ortiz he had Khan up 40-34.

Although I love it when an Al Haymon fighter loses, Steve Kim sucks. He knows nothing about boxing and sure as hell can't score fights. I would love to see you score an Amir khan fight objectively you d1ck riding fanboy.

it's not funny, it's the truth. al haymon and his stable are a cancer on the sport ^^^if you disagree with this, you are wrong^^^...plain and simple

i dunno...to me, the mayweather camp always seem to do this. no fault with kim reporting it, but i think hes reported it a few times. either way, the camp does this on purpose im almost certain. Don't you think it's very possible that discussions did take place? I don't doubt it.

I think it's debatable that he has done enough to warrant an HBO slot considering guys like Vazquez and Rigondeaux have yet to make their HBO debut and both are champs. Valid point. We haven't heard any reports of these guys trying to be on HBO though. Arum hasn't gone on a rant saying that HBO turned these guys down like he normally does. Haymon tried with Ramos and was successful. but for the most part all of this was done out of view of my HBO programming and short of Lopez on Showtime was done with any major cable TV correct? by contrast we get to, whether we are willing or not, watch careers such as Andre Berto, Adrien Broner, and now Rico Ramos grow on the biggest level possible that to me is the rub That's true. As long as HBO doesn't **** up by overpaying and matching them too soft, I won't mind. That's a hard task, but we'll see.

Why do some people always latch on to the Mayweather-Spadafora thing? Kim never said it was signed, or on the brink of being signed, simply that it was being discussed. I've never heard anything to the contrary from anyone that discussions were never had. His source said they were. Some people here equate "Steve Kim's source says Mayweather's camp is in discussions for a possible fight with Spadafora's camp" to "ZOMG Steve Kim is TR Dickrider Liar. HE Said May-Spad was signed, sealed, delivered. What a fuckin' piece of shit"... :nonono::nonono: i dunno...to me, the mayweather camp always seem to do this. no fault with kim reporting it, but i think hes reported it a few times. either way, the camp does this on purpose im almost certain.

Why do some people always latch on to the Mayweather-Spadafora thing? Kim never said it was signed, or on the brink of being signed, simply that it was being discussed. I've never heard anything to the contrary from anyone that discussions were never had. His source said they were. Some people here equate "Steve Kim's source says Mayweather's camp is in discussions for a possible fight with Spadafora's camp" to "ZOMG Steve Kim is TR Dickrider Liar. HE Said May-Spad was signed, sealed, delivered. What a fuckin' piece of shit"... :nonono::nonono:

You're joking with this right? The kid has some skill, but his fighting style is EXACTLY what the PAYING audience does NOT want to see. Why would HBO put a boring fighter who won a controversial decision on a slot again? Because Al Haymon has his hand far up Greenburg's ass i totally admit im being biased about this. but the fight that they gave him isnt at all bad. litzau, fresh off of his victory of caballero, could totally make broner disappear once and for all. i just kinda wanna see what the kid can do, see if he did improve and i kno it can be argued that that doesnt need to be televised on hbo. but hey, litzau dors kinda deserve the slot, so think of it that way.

well Arreola and Taylor are two more. I never mentioned them now now but his run to a title and subsequent fights were on HBO when they really shouldn't have been. Brian Minto? yes it because if we are still saying "let's see what the kid has got" then he is seemingly an unproven fighter getting a coveted HBO date because of his associations. I mean did you think the Valdez fight warranted him being moved to HBO next? no he is not cmon now you're a good poster you should know better Broner had his shot, looked like a fool, almost lost to an undersized warrior, and acted like he just beat Manny now he gets yet another HBO slot without really deserving it and for people who say Berto is an extreme couldn't we counter that if you say that then PWill is the exact opposition and the pro Haymon supporters using him shouldn't? Mayweather I don't consider into the equation because he is on a different plane than everyone else short of Manny lol, i hate breaking up posts the way u do. but im in no way saying arreola should have gotten to the title so easily. but with that said, to me, theres nothing thats so amazing about it. heavyweight was/is very weak. and other promoters have done similar things at much stronger weight classes. thats my point. i dunno what ppl had against jermaine taylor, i wasnt a fan of his/ i was a winky fan but with that said, he was a legit champion. the hopkins fights were close, i gave them to hopkins but taylor did enough to prove himself. i guess i would need to to explain to me what was wrong with him. was his path to the title too easy u think? the ramos thing, again i dunno what to say about it. maybe he would be better served on BAD. but is it really that bad? i dont think so. and yes i stick up for broner somewhat. thought he lost the fight but he lost it because his actions and nothing de leon did. i just try to balance out the hate directed at him on here im proly one of the few ppl who woldnt mind seeing the kid again. we'll see what happens with litazu, its not a bad fight at all imo and litzau does deserve the fight, so in a way, u can look at it as more of a showcase for him if it makes more sense that way, rite? and u totally could say that about the berto/Williams comparison but with that said it enforces my point that that happening was just as much due to hbo as it was haymon.

I don't think it's bad that Ramos is getting a date on HBO if they don't pay him that much. He is clearly worthy of a title shot. Nothing like trying to establish some young talent. I think it's debatable that he has done enough to warrant an HBO slot considering guys like Vazquez and Rigondeaux have yet to make their HBO debut and both are champs. Wasn't really my debate before, but the beef with Arum is not that he is matching his fighters with bums, but he's not putting them in the best fights possible. Look at Lopez against Salido. Everyone was saying they should match him with Gamboa already and Arum killed that super fight. He has placed Soto on countless undercards instead of facing him with Brandon Rios. Rios has taken on solid competition, but Soto's competition at 135 has been pretty terrible outside a great fight versus Antillion. Before Montiel, Donaire was getting the same criticism for not stepping up either. but for the most part all of this was done out of view of my HBO programming and short of Lopez on Showtime was done with any major cable TV correct? by contrast we get to, whether we are willing or not, watch careers such as Andre Berto, Adrien Broner, and now Rico Ramos grow on the biggest level possible that to me is the rub